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Fans reject the 30 cap hurdle for foreign players

Started by Mozart12 REPLIES450 VIEWS· 15 Mar 2017, 18:46
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2017, 18:46
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15 Mar 2017, 18:46#1
In a poll with a statistically significant 225 responses on SARugby Mag.....57% or 126 respondents said there should be no threshold. Only 56 or 26% favoured a 50 game threshold or basically a total ban. The remisning fans favour a lower limit. In our poor situation excluding our NH players is foolhardy and the fans agree.
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sharkbokCaptain23,260 posts
15 Mar 2017, 20:35
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15 Mar 2017, 20:35#2
I think it is a good idea and it seems to be working for Australia.
The implementation could have been phased and less radical. Say 20 caps minimum over the first two years- going up to 30 caps in year 3.
This is the only way to retain "some" of the best talent going forward.A young player can now get a-
1. SARU Contract. 2. Super Rugby Contract
Some of the international clubs will still be able to offer much higher salaries to our best players. (than both contracts combined).
However with more job security, a higher combined salary and being able to live in SA and play for the Boks- this could keep more young players.
The medium term could be overseas sponsorship to help retain even more local talent. 
At the moment many young players are leaving because they are not offered SARU contracts. While others are leaving because they think they can play for an overseas team- AND get to play for the Boks
On a separate note young players are also leaving because of the Shambles of SARU, which is just making more young players leave. Transformation objectives also leave less reasons for the best young non-black players to not leave.





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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2017, 21:15
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15 Mar 2017, 21:15#3
 The problem always remain - how do you judge NF player performances and how do you fit the players into the team less than a week before the start of test series .
Another problem is that NH players often depend on reputation rather than actual performance when picked for the Springboks.   Vermeulen for instance was poor for Toulon this year and his selection for the Springboks will be a guess rather than based on merit.
I am for using some NH club players in the Springbok team where we have a problem - for instance at 8 - but I believe that there is less to gain from selecting NH club players than is implies in this case.
Most player who left after the WC are has-beens and some others have been out of contention for years - so what would one gain from selection of those players.   Meyer did select has-beens and never-has-beens routinely and see what happened to him!!!!   
  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2017, 22:32
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15 Mar 2017, 22:32#4
 How many of Brazil's top stars play club football in Brazil.....same will increasingly be true if European rugby continues to gather strength.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Mar 2017, 09:28
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16 Mar 2017, 09:28#5
 
Hmmmmm ... ???

"it seems to be working for Australia"

So you think Australia is a rugby success story currently?!!

Personally I think we should avoid whatever they're doing.

Most of the boys playing overseas have accepted one of two things.

1. Their test carear is over and they want to cash in before their bodies break down completely.

2. The racist regime back home won't allow them the opportunity to represent their country. They have the talent and so can either use it to cash in or obtain citizenship elsewhere and realise their dream of test rugby.

Bringing back players that once played for their country is foolish. They no longer have the passion and desire to compete at the highest level. We've seen the decline of the once mighty Bok since Meyer brought back a host of those abroad.

Cashing in during their twilight years is their best and only option. If they're careful they can extend their stay up north for many years. It's best to leave these hasbeen there.

We have better, hungrier, more passionate youngsters inthe country.

If only we'd find and appoint an Eddie Jones type as Bok coach.

While the incompetent Coetzee rules the roost all we'll see is a gradual decline of our national team.





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CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Mar 2017, 10:35
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16 Mar 2017, 10:35#6
 There was an article by Alistair Hargreaves, about players who play abroad, on All Out Rugby.

"The biggest immediate threat to South African rugby is losing young, talented players to the lure of foreign clubs. I can therefore understand the sentiment behind SA Rugby’s decision to introduce a 30-Test cap entry point for overseas-based players from 1 July.

If the governing body can limit the drain of young players leaving South Africa by making a hard and fast rule, fair enough, but I’m indifferent to this new direction. While the impending policy might seem like a fair compromise, imposing a regulation and hoping it solves all the problems is only serving to paper over the cracks.

I believe we should be addressing the root cause of the current exodus and understanding how we make players desperate to remain in South Africa.

Playing for the Springboks is a big part of that but not the only contributing factor. Representing my country was certainly one of my proudest rugby moments. However, it’s not the be-all and end-all.

We have to remember that only a small amount of players have the opportunity to play Test rugby, and it is the strength of our local franchises that serves as a barometer to how the Springboks perform at an international level. If we examine the performances of our Super Rugby teams last year, bar the Lions, how can we expect the Springboks to be on par with the All Blacks? [How many times have I said this and how many times have I been rubbished by a certain cranky old fossil?]

If we take English club rugby as an example, it’s easy to gauge how the strength of the Aviva Premiership competition has positively influenced the senior national side.

I am in no way negative about my experiences within South African rugby, but the professionalism I experienced during my time at Saracens was on another level. I felt I was given every opportunity to excel. I experienced a different level of coaching, player management and was exposed to a culture that put the players needs at the heart of the club.

Had the current 30-Test policy been in place when I was weighing up a move to Saracens with four Test caps to my name, it wouldn’t have affected my decision. I was at a point in my Sharks career where I got a bit stale and wasn’t excelling in the environment. I felt like I was losing my passion for the game and needed a change of scenery.

When I left for London, I knew it was unlikely that I’d play for the Springboks again and I was content to accept the outcome. The threat of not playing for the Springboks again wouldn’t have been enough to keep me in SA. Ultimately, it was the best decision I ever made. I started to love the game again and relished going to work. It made me a better professional and improved me as a player.

Cobus Reinach is the latest South African who will head abroad at the conclusion of the Super Rugby season. To lose a player of Reinach’s calibre is a massive blow to SA rugby. He is a fantastic team man and brings plenty of energy and enthusiasm. Sharks CEO Gary Teichmann remarked that SA Rugby “can be more professional with their approach to the players they see in their plans, and try to at least sell the Springbok dream which seems to be waning at the moment.”

Teichmann is an astute man and has recently raised some hard but equally fair points. I know his heart is in the right place and he does not speak up to court controversy but to seek clarity.

SA Rugby, as the governing body, needs to be accountable to address those concerns and it’s important that we, as an immensely proud rugby nation, ask them the hard questions. Personally, I am sometimes confused as to whether they always have the players’ best inte rests at heart or are looking out for themselves.

So back to the policy at the core of the debate: if this is the first move by SA Rugby to attempt to keep players in South Africa then so be it. However, in itself, it doesn’t solve anything. There are bigger issues that need to be addressed if we are to remain the world force we can and should be."



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2017, 10:57
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16 Mar 2017, 10:57#7
 We have all seen the above article in the media - yet nobody but D offies thought it even of enough interest to quote it on this site.  
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Mar 2017, 11:15
#8
16 Mar 2017, 11:15#8
So, you have nothing meaningful to add then?
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2017, 11:25
#9
16 Mar 2017, 11:25#9
  We have all seen the above article in the media - yet nobody but Doffies thought it even of enough interest to quote it on this site. 

No, it's not everyone who's seen the article as a matter of fact I haven't.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Mar 2017, 12:06
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16 Mar 2017, 12:06#10
 
Not that it would matter ... it's beyond your grasp anyway, Dense.

Youngsters are leaving the countrty because the desire to play for these hapless Boks no longer attracts them.

Why embarrass yourself on the field under this poor coach when you could build a future for yourself abroad.

The only stories they'd have to tell their children oneday is how they were thumped by Italy and Japan.




 
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Mar 2017, 12:25
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16 Mar 2017, 12:25#11
 Did I ask for your opinion, Huh?
All you do is whine......It's not like a give a care about your miserable life and your daily boring bleating about the Goats. There must be someone on here who gives a rat's arse about what you think, speak to them...Tx.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Mar 2017, 12:40
#12
16 Mar 2017, 12:40#12
"Did I ask for your opinion, Huh?
All you do is whine......It's not like a give a care about your miserable life and your daily boring bleating about the Goats. There must be someone on here who gives a rat's arse about what you think, speak to them...Tx."

Klown, before you start celebrating the fact that this miserable and lifeless loser is going to ignore you from now on, please note that he sent me an almost identical comment a few weeks ago and you wouldn't believe how many times he's whined, squealed and pleaded for my attention since then.

Just a friendly heads up. Trust me, it's not nearly as good as it sounds!
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2017, 14:29
#13
16 Mar 2017, 14:29#13
Actually I hadn't seen that article before either and found it informative.
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