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Fekitoe - The reason he doesn't play for Tonga $$$

Started by Shezza67 REPLIES1,934 VIEWS· 29 Aug 2014, 07:35
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SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:35
#1
29 Aug 2014, 07:35#1
Look below. 

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
29 Aug 2014, 07:35
#2
29 Aug 2014, 07:35#2
 
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Aug 2014, 08:08
#3
29 Aug 2014, 08:08#3
 Good reason!
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
30 Aug 2014, 04:33
#4
30 Aug 2014, 04:33#4
 He just wants to be like Mike
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 13:02
#5
30 Aug 2014, 13:02#5
 I want to make a living out of rugby says fekitoe.Look let's be honest about this matter. Tonga, Fiji and Samoa have shown very little initiative in developing themselves as a rugby super power. They are very servile types preferring to serve their nz and Oz masters for the cash. 
Its not an attractive view of them but what other conclusion can be reached? They would rather play for another country because the money is better. They have no desires of their own either. It's a servant mentality really
Nz and now Oz are delighted to exploit them for ever. They do zip to help really as this suits them all to well. The three Pacific Island countries are mere rugby colonies and will always be only that as they are at heart servants.
Sad but prove me wrong?

SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
30 Aug 2014, 21:30
#6
30 Aug 2014, 21:30#6
 Cloudy there are plenty of Islanders who have made a decent living by playing in the NH leagues. 
Whilst the All Blacks don't play any Kiwi's that live outside of New Zealand, they do play Samoans and Tongan's. 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 21:34
#7
30 Aug 2014, 21:34#7
 Cheaser nz stand on the broken backs of those islanders. It's a crying shame!
What a pity Cloudy wants to glamorise this unfortunate state of affairs!

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
31 Aug 2014, 06:04
#8
31 Aug 2014, 06:04#8
 I am sure Zimbabwe are feeling the same way


WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
31 Aug 2014, 08:52
#9
31 Aug 2014, 08:52#9
 What would you know beanhead you halfwit ,lots of us have friends and relatives from the PI nations and have a better idea of where they are coming from.NZ supports rugby in PI nations unlike Australia and the like who give nothing in return ,and Kiwis are polynesians dumbrse .People in glass houses like you beanhead .And its fine if they play in the NH ? but not in NZ ? pfffftttLook to your own backyard first before commenting on something you have no idea about .
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
31 Aug 2014, 09:26
#10
31 Aug 2014, 09:26#10
 and for Zimbabwe
David Pocock



and Papua New Guinea
Will Genia



and for Ivory Coast

Thierry Dusautoir


Really a silly argument, to play for where you were born



PS, I see the editor removes two thirds of David's surname...ok David Pokock (sic) lolz




SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
31 Aug 2014, 17:25
#11
31 Aug 2014, 17:25#11
 Bit of context for you Kiwi's is that there's only ever been 2 people or less that have represented South Africa at one time that have been born outside of the country.
Whereas a good quarter of the All Blacks squad are probably from outside NZ. 
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:35
#12
31 Aug 2014, 21:35#12
 WTF are you talking about?
Feikitoa is the only current AB who wasn't born in NZ. He went to Nz at 17, all the others have PI ancestors but are all born in NZ. Are you implying that all these NZ born players are "less new zealanders" than any other new zealander because they have PI ancestors or what?
Are youn implying that only "pure new zealanders" or "pure south africans" have the right for playing in the national team? What other rights, acording to you, should be removed to the PI descendents? The european descendents sholud be included in the "pure new zealanders" list or just the maories? Should the european descendents be included in the "pure south africans" list or just the africans? This is pure BS

Nonu born in Wellington
Piutau in Auckland
Mealamu in Tokoroa, Waikato
Faumuina in Auckland
Kaino moved with his family to NZ at the age of 4. I doubt he or his family were thinking in rugby when they moved.
Messam born in Blenheim, Marlborough, NZ
kahui in Tokoroa, NZ
Savea in Wellington
Gear in Gisborne, NZ




AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
31 Aug 2014, 21:41
#13
31 Aug 2014, 21:41#13
 @beeno,

"They are very servile types preferring to serve their nz and Oz masters for the cash."
"They have no desires of their own either. It's a servant mentality really"
"The three Pacific Island countries are mere rugby colonies and will always be only that as they are at heart servants."

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is very close to racism
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:04
#14
01 Sept 2014, 00:04#14
 CHEASER NZ EXPLOITATION OF THE PI  (TONGA, SAMOA AND FIJI) IS LEGENDARY.
Not really ab ass trying to stir up some pride in them to do their own thing rather than being exploited by nz and Oz. That is where the problem lies. Dont try the racism card here.Just stop exploiting the islanders.  Thanks


AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
01 Sept 2014, 01:49
#15
01 Sept 2014, 01:49#15
  I don't play any racism card. Your comments were offensives.

The AB players of the last 10 years:

1034 Daniel Carter 2003 100 (100) 1419 (1419) 1035 Brad Thorn 2003 60 (59) 20 (20) 1036 Corey Flynn 2003 17 (15) 15 (15) 1037 Ben Atiga 2003 1 (1) 0 (0) 1038 Jono Gibbes 2004 8 (8) 0 (0) 1039 Nick Evans 2004 16 (16) 103 (103) 1040 Sam Tuitupou 2004 10 (10) 5 (5) 1041 Craig Newby 2004 3 (3) 0 (0) 1042 Mose Tuiali'i 2004 10 (9) 5 (5) 1043 Rico Gear 2004 20 (19) 65 (55) 1044 Conrad Smith 2004 75 (75) 120 (120) 1045 Saimone Taumoepeau 2004 4 (3) 5 (5) 1046 Jimmy Cowan 2004 53 (51) 35 (35) 1047 Steven Bates 2004 2 (1) 0 (0) 1048 Casey Laulala 2004 3 (2) 5 (0) 1049 Piri Weepu 2004 73 (71) 110 (103) 1050 Jerome Kaino 2004 49 (48) 45 (40) 1051 James Ryan 2005 9 (9) 0 (0) 1052 Sitiveni Sivivatu 2005 46 (45) 145 (145) 1053 Derren Witcombe 2005 5 (5) 0 (0) 1054 Sosene Anesi 2005 1 (1) 0 (0) 1055 Sione Lauaki 2005 17 (17) 15 (15) 1056 Campbell Johnstone 2005 3 (3) 0 (0) 1057 Luke McAlister 2005 31 (30) 153 (153) 1058 Kevin Senio 2005 1 (1) 0 (0) 1059 Chris Masoe 2005 20 (20) 15 (15) 1060 Neemia Tialata 2005 44 (43) 10 (10) 1061 Angus Macdonald 2005 2 (2) 0 (0) 1062 John Afoa 2005 38 (36) 5 (5) 1063 Jason Eaton 2005 17 (15) 5 (5) 1064 Isaia Toeava 2005 37 (36) 40 (40) 1065 Clarke Dermody 2006 3 (3) 5 (5) 1066 Greg Rawlinson 2006 4 (4) 0 (0) 1067 Scott Hamilton 2006 2 (2) 5 (5) 1068 Andrew Ellis 2006 26 (26) 20 (20) 1069 Brendon Leonard 2007 14 (13) 10 (10) 1070 Ross Filipo 2007 5 (4) 0 (0) 1071 John Schwalger 2007 2 (2) 5 (5) 1072 Anthony Tuitavake 2008 7 (6) 5 (5) 1073 Adam Thomson 2008 31 (29) 30 (30) 1074 Anthony Boric 2008 25 (24) 15 (10) 1075 Stephen Donald 2008 25 (23) 116 (98) 1076 Richard Kahui 2008 18 (17) 50 (50) 1077 Rudi Wulf 2008 4 (4) 0 (0) 1078 Kevin O'Neill 2008 1 (1) 0 (0) 1079 Hosea Gear 2008 15 (14) 30 (30) 1080 Cory Jane 2008 43 (41) 80 (80) 1081 Jamie Mackintosh 2008 2 (1) 0 (0) 1082 Liam Messam 2008 28 (26) 25 (25) 1083 Kieran Read 2008 59 (58) 65 (65) 1084 Ben Franks 2008 31 (30) 5 (5) 1085 Scott Waldrom 2008 1 (0) 0 (0) 1086 Hikawera Elliot 2008 3 (3) 0 (0) 1087 Alby Mathewson 2008 5 (4) 0 (0) 1088 Isaac Ross 2009 8 (8) 10 (10) 1089 Tanerau Latimer 2009 6 (5) 0 (0) 1090 Bryn Evans 2009 2 (2) 0 (0) 1091 Wyatt Crockett 2009 22 (21) 5 (5) 1092 Lelia Masaga 2009 1 (1) 0 (0) 1093 George Whitelock 2009 1 (1) 5 (5) 1094 Owen Franks 2009 51 (51) 0 (0) 1095 Aled de Malmanche 2009 5 (5) 0 (0) 1096 Tom Donnelly 2009 15 (15) 0 (0) 1097 Zac Guildford 2009 11 (10) 30 (30) 1098 Mike Delany 2009 2 (1) 3 (0) 1099 Tamati Ellison 2009 5 (4) 0 (0) 1100 Ben Smith 2009 24 (23) 70 (65)

1101 to 1200

Number Name Year of Début Total Matches (tests) Total Points (tests) 1101 Israel Dagg 2010 35 (35) 65 (65) 1102 Benson Stanley 2010 3 (3) 0 (0) 1103 Victor Vito 2010 22 (22) 10 (10) 1104 Sam Whitelock 2010 48 (48) 20 (20) 1105 Aaron Cruden 2010 26 (26) 168 (168) 1106 Rene Ranger 2010 6 (6) 5 (5) 1107 Colin Slade 2010 11 (11) 60 (60) 1108 Sonny Bill Williams 2010 19 (19) 30 (30) 1109 Jarrad Hoeata 2011 3 (3) 0 (0) 1110 Brodie Retallick 2012 21 (21) 5 (5) 1111 Julian Savea 2012 18 (18) 80 (80) 1112 Aaron Smith 2012 23 (23) 35 (35) 1113 Sam Cane 2012 14 (14) 35 (35) 1114 Luke Romano 2012 15 (15) 5 (5) 1115 Beauden Barrett 2012 15 (15) 57 (57) 1116 Charlie Faumuina 2012 14 (14) 0 (0) 1117 Dane Coles 2012 12 (12) 0 (0) 1118 Tawera Kerr-Barlow 2012 12 (12) 0 (0) 1119 Ben Afeaki 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1120 Jeremy Thrush 2013 5 (5) 5 (5) 1121 Steven Luatua 2013 9 (9) 0 (0) 1122 Charles Piutau 2013 8 (8) 10 (10) 1123 Matt Todd 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1124 Ryan Crotty 2013 2 (2) 0 (0) 1125 Tom Taylor 2013 3 (3) 14 (14) 1126 Francis Saili 2013 2 (2) 0 (0) 1127 Dominic Bird 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1128 Frank Halai 2013 1 (1) 5 (5) 1129 Luke Whitelock 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1130 Jeffery Toomaga-Allen 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1131 Malakai Fekitoa 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1132 TJ Perenara 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1133 Patrick Tuipulotu 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1134 Joe Moody 2014 1 (1) 0 (0)

From the last 100 AB players 3 were born, raised and learn their rugby in the PI:
-Saimone Taumoepeau (played 3 test matches)
-Casey Laulala (plyed 2 test matches)
-Sitiveni Sivivatu

And another 6 were born in the PI but raised and learn their rugby in NZ (Toeava, Kaino, Masoe, Lauaki, Anesi, Halai, this last 2 having played 1 test match each)

So where the f*ck is the "LEGENDARY NZ EXPLOITATION OF THE PI ?


KI
KiwibroRookie19 posts
01 Sept 2014, 02:09
#16
01 Sept 2014, 02:09#16

Yeah soz Beano, but I don't think you can win this argument. Excluding NZ citizens from  selection  because they were not born in NZ would be racist. Apparently something only Australia can get away with :p

CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:03
#17
01 Sept 2014, 07:03#17
 Kiwibro
We don't care where anyone is born. If we need them they are Aussies.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:21
#18
01 Sept 2014, 07:21#18
 Beandipsh!t , next time you see a PI person go and ask them to shine your shoes for you , see what they think of your racist garbage .And shezza your mob didnt even pick from the majority of their own people for quite some time so I wouldnt be skiting about having only a couple from outside SA , besides who would want to be a bok when you can be an AB and join the best ????Claydog given the dire circumstances of wobbly rugby a certain degree of latitude is acceptable !
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redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:46
#19
01 Sept 2014, 07:46#19
Franks brother born in Sydney and Kerr-Barlow in DArwin - YOUR ARGUEMENT IS FLAWED AND DECEITFUL- he deceitful bit a lot like how you play rugby.... lol
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:48
#20
01 Sept 2014, 07:48#20

Reality is not many people other than islanders / kiwis and few rich kids play rugby in Asutralia...


If only rugby league didn't exist....  

RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:50
#21
01 Sept 2014, 07:50#21
 Brad Thorn Schooled in Brisbane played rugby here too - more flaws in your weak arguement
RE
redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Sept 2014, 07:52
#22
01 Sept 2014, 07:52#22
 Poor Tonga getting shafted by their colonial masters in new Zealand... just imagine the team they could fill if not for their kiwi cousins exploiting them... 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 09:36
#24
01 Sept 2014, 09:36#24
 Listen arshole rednek,Owen Franks was born in MOTUEKA NZ ! I have family from Tonga ,Samoa and Rarotonga and you have 5 eghths of fek all knowledge arswipe.And where are all the wobs from ???37 born overseas have been wobblies just since 1997 , from memory I think around a 3rd are Kiwis .Claydog you can have the old geezer from 1907 back unless Meyer wants him....Reddik like a wee boy kicking the dirt "stupid game ,dont wanna play anyways..." you enjoy that record the wobs set at Eden park now ....And the Fr anks brothers parents were working in Melbourne at the time ,they are both Kiwis as are their parents and Grandparents idiot
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
01 Sept 2014, 10:57
#25
01 Sept 2014, 10:57#25
 Cloudy I don't really understand it. Why on earth would someone who who was born here not want to be a Wallaby and why do we only get Kiwis who can't make the All Blacks play for the Wallabies? I was being sarcastic when I asked you to stop pilfering our players. I was surprised more ABs were born here than the islands.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 11:40
#26
01 Sept 2014, 11:40#26
 Its would appear that some kbb featers have been ruffled!!!
Firstly to deal with ou hacked waaugh rather lame attempt at a counter. Beast has no international side of any note to play for go ad see where Zimbabwe are on the ranking. Tonga, Fiji and Samao are all established test playing nations. Beast is ONE import!
The next point to bear in mind is the using of the PI nations in such a self interested way is not confined to test rugby - why imagine it is. What about the many Islanders playing their trade at Super 15 level.
However it's sad to realise that OZ has also been a rugby colony of nz exporting so many players there.
I call on OZ, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa to cease supply players to nz. Obviously the kiwis lack rugby players and therefore have to import them from outside.
As always if the hat fits wear it.
PS I always polish my own shoes 



WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 11:44
#27
01 Sept 2014, 11:44#27
 Born in NZ playing for Australian teams 1-Kepu2-Patrick Leafa3-Toby Smith4-Jack Whetton 5- Will Skelton6-Jarrad Butler7-Scott Fugistaller8-Fotu Aeulua9-Alby Mathewso10-Quade Cooper11-Peter Betham12-Christian Lailofano13-Tamati Ellison14-Joe Tomane15-Jason WoodwardReplacements-Chris Feauai -SautiaMike HarrisPaul Alo-EmilePekahou CowanJayden HaywardNot a bad team assembled by the roar now is it ? and theres even more than in this team of course.Almost forgot O'Connor who has NZ parents and lied in NZ till age 10.And all these guys who play for whoever are able to choose for themselves ,imagine that !Beandik I recall you saying you dont put down anyone elses people or country .I see you have spat on at least 3 PI nations eh dopey ? You might think other people are only fit to be your servant but I guess thats just you.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 11:56
#28
01 Sept 2014, 11:56#28
 Warped DUD lets have a list of PI players that played for nz super rugby sides over the last 10 years.No fudg ing the data warped DUD



WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 11:58
#29
01 Sept 2014, 11:58#29
 If someone is born in NZ and or has NZ citizenship then what does that make them you racist little man?
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:05
#30
01 Sept 2014, 12:05#30

Bean Brain the Samoans breed like rabbits and so  are spread over most of the Super XV teams - even the Stormers had Samoans playing for them this year...they are gaining valuable experience for the 2015 RWC ....in preparation for meeting Seth Afrika in pool play where they will be kicking yr yarpy butt...haha

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:18
#31
01 Sept 2014, 12:18#31
 warped DUD you posted re how many kiwis are playing in OZ so how about giving us the details re how many PI are playing in the nz supoer 15 sides.
Calling me racist wont solve the problem you are facing. 
Its looking like game set and match as warped DUD dodges the issue and rolls out the race card as his sole defence . 
Brycy saying the Samoans breed like rabbits could get you into trouble with our race watchdog here the very warped DUD! Be careful boet. As with Beast one import by the Stormers will not equate to all your PI imports. Weak brycy very weak.
Kicking butt you say - more like head hunting by the Samoans the high tackle kings!



BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:22
#32
01 Sept 2014, 12:22#32
 By the way Fiji rugby started I believe around 1915. I guess Tonga and Samoa around then also. The West Indies cricket team forged their own way. Why not these three countries. 
The kbbs would have us believe the PI would much prefer to play for NZ than their own countires. Hilarious how they deny reality. Their base motives are easily discernible.
Beeno winning this one hands down. 
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:26
#33
01 Sept 2014, 12:26#33
 Anyone who calls the people of 3 different countries "servile " is racist [ the fact that those people all have dark skins makes it worse ] What would you prefer that all PIs only play village rugby ? or maybe its just that you want then to play for anyone other than NZ ? I stand by what I say you are no better than that arizona geezer .If you say racist crap you are racist old chap.The real problem you have with PIs is none of them want anything to do with the boks ,I guarantee if any did you would change your tune .The Lions in Oz last year had more PIs than Scots .
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:34
#34
01 Sept 2014, 12:34#34
 Where is the list. You are happy to list everyting but the key list.
The Windies certainly werent servile but the PI countries have done very litTle to forge their destinies - FACT. Where are they after around 100 years of rugby. Basically they are supplying players to NZ and now OZ. They need to get off their bums and DO something about it. FACTBUT THEY SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM THE SELF SERVING NZ AND OZ.
IT'S GAME SET AND MATCH OU WARPED DUD HAS CHICKENED OUT AND IS HIDING BEHIND RACIST ALLEGATIONS THE LAST RESORT OF THE BANKRUPT  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:37
#35
01 Sept 2014, 12:37#35
 Find your own list dip sh!t , Auckland is the biggest Polynesian city going .As for PIs  playing in NZ without citizenship from NZ its a very small list.Fektard.Can only find ONE non NZ player of PI descent ,see if you can find any.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 12:46
#36
01 Sept 2014, 12:46#36
 A list of oaks born in the PI please  You have no difficulty in getting all these stats so why are you stopping now. Its your chance to show that very few have played in the nz sup er 15/12/10 sides over the last ten years. Why dont you grab the chance warped DUD?
Game set and match 
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
01 Sept 2014, 13:00
#37
01 Sept 2014, 13:00#37

Bean Brain I think yr being abit naïve and underestimate the giant leaps nations like Samoa have taken since the last World Cup thanks largely to their Super rugby experience with NZ and Oz....that arrogant attitude towards them will be your downfall come 2015...I'm picking they'll be leaving you broken and bruised...

WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
01 Sept 2014, 13:01
#38
01 Sept 2014, 13:01#38
 Well diphead your the one banging on about hordes of Samoans and the like playing for NZ S 15s you show us a list .There isnt one is there dummy all the players from the Samoan ,Tongan and Fijian teams play in Europe .Cant show you a list of something that doesnt exist ,you show me who from those PI national teams plays in NZ .Fool.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 13:12
#39
01 Sept 2014, 13:12#39
 Oh come now warped DUD you surely could do better than that. You are a master in pulling these stats. Give it a go. I am sure there are many. Your reluctance is very telling. All I am getting is bluster.  Game set and match.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Sept 2014, 13:19
#40
01 Sept 2014, 13:19#40
 Here is som ehelp warped DUD

Amongst those that have already expressed a desire to switch nationalities are former All Blacks Anthony Tuitavake and Sam Tuitupou, and ex-Wallabies Mark Gerrard and Sitaleki Timani, who will apply to play for Tonga under IRB Regulation 8.

All Blacks sevens representatives Alando Soakai, Lifeimi Mafi and Roy Kinikinilau have also confirmed they will switch allegiance to Tonga, while Tim Nanai-Williams will make the switch to Samoa.

Other big name players that would be eligible to make the switch include All Black wingers Joe Rokocoko and Sitiveni Sivivatu, both of whom could play for Fiji, and Casey Laulala, Chris Masoe and Lelia Masaga, who are eligible for Samoa.

Former Wallaby great George Smith, meanwhile, would be eligible for Tonga, and Chairman of Tonga Rugby Epi Taione has said the new laws have led him to draw up a ‘hit list’ of players he wants to play for Tonga, which includes Smith along with Waikato Chiefs prop Ben Tameifuna.


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