Fekitoe - The reason he doesn't play for Tonga $$$
Its not an attractive view of them but what other conclusion can be reached? They would rather play for another country because the money is better. They have no desires of their own either. It's a servant mentality really
Nz and now Oz are delighted to exploit them for ever. They do zip to help really as this suits them all to well. The three Pacific Island countries are mere rugby colonies and will always be only that as they are at heart servants.
Sad but prove me wrong?
Whilst the All Blacks don't play any Kiwi's that live outside of New Zealand, they do play Samoans and Tongan's.
What a pity Cloudy wants to glamorise this unfortunate state of affairs!
Whereas a good quarter of the All Blacks squad are probably from outside NZ.
Feikitoa is the only current AB who wasn't born in NZ. He went to Nz at 17, all the others have PI ancestors but are all born in NZ. Are you implying that all these NZ born players are "less new zealanders" than any other new zealander because they have PI ancestors or what?
Are youn implying that only "pure new zealanders" or "pure south africans" have the right for playing in the national team? What other rights, acording to you, should be removed to the PI descendents? The european descendents sholud be included in the "pure new zealanders" list or just the maories? Should the european descendents be included in the "pure south africans" list or just the africans? This is pure BS
Nonu born in Wellington
Piutau in Auckland
Mealamu in Tokoroa, Waikato
Faumuina in Auckland
Kaino moved with his family to NZ at the age of 4. I doubt he or his family were thinking in rugby when they moved.
Messam born in Blenheim, Marlborough, NZ
kahui in Tokoroa, NZ
Savea in Wellington
Gear in Gisborne, NZ
"They are very servile types preferring to serve their nz and Oz masters for the cash."
"They have no desires of their own either. It's a servant mentality really"
"The three Pacific Island countries are mere rugby colonies and will always be only that as they are at heart servants."
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is very close to racism
Not really ab ass trying to stir up some pride in them to do their own thing rather than being exploited by nz and Oz. That is where the problem lies. Dont try the racism card here.Just stop exploiting the islanders. Thanks
The AB players of the last 10 years:
1034 Daniel Carter 2003 100 (100) 1419 (1419) 1035 Brad Thorn 2003 60 (59) 20 (20) 1036 Corey Flynn 2003 17 (15) 15 (15) 1037 Ben Atiga 2003 1 (1) 0 (0) 1038 Jono Gibbes 2004 8 (8) 0 (0) 1039 Nick Evans 2004 16 (16) 103 (103) 1040 Sam Tuitupou 2004 10 (10) 5 (5) 1041 Craig Newby 2004 3 (3) 0 (0) 1042 Mose Tuiali'i 2004 10 (9) 5 (5) 1043 Rico Gear 2004 20 (19) 65 (55) 1044 Conrad Smith 2004 75 (75) 120 (120) 1045 Saimone Taumoepeau 2004 4 (3) 5 (5) 1046 Jimmy Cowan 2004 53 (51) 35 (35) 1047 Steven Bates 2004 2 (1) 0 (0) 1048 Casey Laulala 2004 3 (2) 5 (0) 1049 Piri Weepu 2004 73 (71) 110 (103) 1050 Jerome Kaino 2004 49 (48) 45 (40) 1051 James Ryan 2005 9 (9) 0 (0) 1052 Sitiveni Sivivatu 2005 46 (45) 145 (145) 1053 Derren Witcombe 2005 5 (5) 0 (0) 1054 Sosene Anesi 2005 1 (1) 0 (0) 1055 Sione Lauaki 2005 17 (17) 15 (15) 1056 Campbell Johnstone 2005 3 (3) 0 (0) 1057 Luke McAlister 2005 31 (30) 153 (153) 1058 Kevin Senio 2005 1 (1) 0 (0) 1059 Chris Masoe 2005 20 (20) 15 (15) 1060 Neemia Tialata 2005 44 (43) 10 (10) 1061 Angus Macdonald 2005 2 (2) 0 (0) 1062 John Afoa 2005 38 (36) 5 (5) 1063 Jason Eaton 2005 17 (15) 5 (5) 1064 Isaia Toeava 2005 37 (36) 40 (40) 1065 Clarke Dermody 2006 3 (3) 5 (5) 1066 Greg Rawlinson 2006 4 (4) 0 (0) 1067 Scott Hamilton 2006 2 (2) 5 (5) 1068 Andrew Ellis 2006 26 (26) 20 (20) 1069 Brendon Leonard 2007 14 (13) 10 (10) 1070 Ross Filipo 2007 5 (4) 0 (0) 1071 John Schwalger 2007 2 (2) 5 (5) 1072 Anthony Tuitavake 2008 7 (6) 5 (5) 1073 Adam Thomson 2008 31 (29) 30 (30) 1074 Anthony Boric 2008 25 (24) 15 (10) 1075 Stephen Donald 2008 25 (23) 116 (98) 1076 Richard Kahui 2008 18 (17) 50 (50) 1077 Rudi Wulf 2008 4 (4) 0 (0) 1078 Kevin O'Neill 2008 1 (1) 0 (0) 1079 Hosea Gear 2008 15 (14) 30 (30) 1080 Cory Jane 2008 43 (41) 80 (80) 1081 Jamie Mackintosh 2008 2 (1) 0 (0) 1082 Liam Messam 2008 28 (26) 25 (25) 1083 Kieran Read 2008 59 (58) 65 (65) 1084 Ben Franks 2008 31 (30) 5 (5) 1085 Scott Waldrom 2008 1 (0) 0 (0) 1086 Hikawera Elliot 2008 3 (3) 0 (0) 1087 Alby Mathewson 2008 5 (4) 0 (0) 1088 Isaac Ross 2009 8 (8) 10 (10) 1089 Tanerau Latimer 2009 6 (5) 0 (0) 1090 Bryn Evans 2009 2 (2) 0 (0) 1091 Wyatt Crockett 2009 22 (21) 5 (5) 1092 Lelia Masaga 2009 1 (1) 0 (0) 1093 George Whitelock 2009 1 (1) 5 (5) 1094 Owen Franks 2009 51 (51) 0 (0) 1095 Aled de Malmanche 2009 5 (5) 0 (0) 1096 Tom Donnelly 2009 15 (15) 0 (0) 1097 Zac Guildford 2009 11 (10) 30 (30) 1098 Mike Delany 2009 2 (1) 3 (0) 1099 Tamati Ellison 2009 5 (4) 0 (0) 1100 Ben Smith 2009 24 (23) 70 (65)
1101 to 1200
Number Name Year of Début Total Matches (tests) Total Points (tests) 1101 Israel Dagg 2010 35 (35) 65 (65) 1102 Benson Stanley 2010 3 (3) 0 (0) 1103 Victor Vito 2010 22 (22) 10 (10) 1104 Sam Whitelock 2010 48 (48) 20 (20) 1105 Aaron Cruden 2010 26 (26) 168 (168) 1106 Rene Ranger 2010 6 (6) 5 (5) 1107 Colin Slade 2010 11 (11) 60 (60) 1108 Sonny Bill Williams 2010 19 (19) 30 (30) 1109 Jarrad Hoeata 2011 3 (3) 0 (0) 1110 Brodie Retallick 2012 21 (21) 5 (5) 1111 Julian Savea 2012 18 (18) 80 (80) 1112 Aaron Smith 2012 23 (23) 35 (35) 1113 Sam Cane 2012 14 (14) 35 (35) 1114 Luke Romano 2012 15 (15) 5 (5) 1115 Beauden Barrett 2012 15 (15) 57 (57) 1116 Charlie Faumuina 2012 14 (14) 0 (0) 1117 Dane Coles 2012 12 (12) 0 (0) 1118 Tawera Kerr-Barlow 2012 12 (12) 0 (0) 1119 Ben Afeaki 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1120 Jeremy Thrush 2013 5 (5) 5 (5) 1121 Steven Luatua 2013 9 (9) 0 (0) 1122 Charles Piutau 2013 8 (8) 10 (10) 1123 Matt Todd 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1124 Ryan Crotty 2013 2 (2) 0 (0) 1125 Tom Taylor 2013 3 (3) 14 (14) 1126 Francis Saili 2013 2 (2) 0 (0) 1127 Dominic Bird 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1128 Frank Halai 2013 1 (1) 5 (5) 1129 Luke Whitelock 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1130 Jeffery Toomaga-Allen 2013 1 (1) 0 (0) 1131 Malakai Fekitoa 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1132 TJ Perenara 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1133 Patrick Tuipulotu 2014 1 (1) 0 (0) 1134 Joe Moody 2014 1 (1) 0 (0)From the last 100 AB players 3 were born, raised and learn their rugby in the PI:
-Saimone Taumoepeau (played 3 test matches)
-Casey Laulala (plyed 2 test matches)
-Sitiveni Sivivatu
And another 6 were born in the PI but raised and learn their rugby in NZ (Toeava, Kaino, Masoe, Lauaki, Anesi, Halai, this last 2 having played 1 test match each)
So where the f*ck is the "LEGENDARY NZ EXPLOITATION OF THE PI ?
Yeah soz Beano, but I don't think you can win this argument. Excluding NZ citizens from selection because they were not born in NZ would be racist. Apparently something only Australia can get away with :p
We don't care where anyone is born. If we need them they are Aussies.
Reality is not many people other than islanders / kiwis and few rich kids play rugby in Asutralia...
If only rugby league didn't exist....
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11278276
Firstly to deal with ou hacked waaugh rather lame attempt at a counter. Beast has no international side of any note to play for go ad see where Zimbabwe are on the ranking. Tonga, Fiji and Samao are all established test playing nations. Beast is ONE import!
The next point to bear in mind is the using of the PI nations in such a self interested way is not confined to test rugby - why imagine it is. What about the many Islanders playing their trade at Super 15 level.
However it's sad to realise that OZ has also been a rugby colony of nz exporting so many players there.
I call on OZ, Fiji, Tonga and Samoa to cease supply players to nz. Obviously the kiwis lack rugby players and therefore have to import them from outside.
As always if the hat fits wear it.
PS I always polish my own shoes
Bean Brain the Samoans breed like rabbits and so are spread over most of the Super XV teams - even the Stormers had Samoans playing for them this year...they are gaining valuable experience for the 2015 RWC ....in preparation for meeting Seth Afrika in pool play where they will be kicking yr yarpy butt...haha
Calling me racist wont solve the problem you are facing.
Its looking like game set and match as warped DUD dodges the issue and rolls out the race card as his sole defence .
Brycy saying the Samoans breed like rabbits could get you into trouble with our race watchdog here the very warped DUD! Be careful boet. As with Beast one import by the Stormers will not equate to all your PI imports. Weak brycy very weak.
Kicking butt you say - more like head hunting by the Samoans the high tackle kings!
The kbbs would have us believe the PI would much prefer to play for NZ than their own countires. Hilarious how they deny reality. Their base motives are easily discernible.
Beeno winning this one hands down.
The Windies certainly werent servile but the PI countries have done very litTle to forge their destinies - FACT. Where are they after around 100 years of rugby. Basically they are supplying players to NZ and now OZ. They need to get off their bums and DO something about it. FACTBUT THEY SHOULD NOT EXPECT ANY HELP FROM THE SELF SERVING NZ AND OZ.
IT'S GAME SET AND MATCH OU WARPED DUD HAS CHICKENED OUT AND IS HIDING BEHIND RACIST ALLEGATIONS THE LAST RESORT OF THE BANKRUPT
Game set and match
Bean Brain I think yr being abit naïve and underestimate the giant leaps nations like Samoa have taken since the last World Cup thanks largely to their Super rugby experience with NZ and Oz....that arrogant attitude towards them will be your downfall come 2015...I'm picking they'll be leaving you broken and bruised...
Amongst those that have already expressed a desire to switch nationalities are former All Blacks Anthony Tuitavake and Sam Tuitupou, and ex-Wallabies Mark Gerrard and Sitaleki Timani, who will apply to play for Tonga under IRB Regulation 8.
All Blacks sevens representatives Alando Soakai, Lifeimi Mafi and Roy Kinikinilau have also confirmed they will switch allegiance to Tonga, while Tim Nanai-Williams will make the switch to Samoa.
Other big name players that would be eligible to make the switch include All Black wingers Joe Rokocoko and Sitiveni Sivivatu, both of whom could play for Fiji, and Casey Laulala, Chris Masoe and Lelia Masaga, who are eligible for Samoa.
Former Wallaby great George Smith, meanwhile, would be eligible for Tonga, and Chairman of Tonga Rugby Epi Taione has said the new laws have led him to draw up a ‘hit list’ of players he wants to play for Tonga, which includes Smith along with Waikato Chiefs prop Ben Tameifuna.


