Fekitoe - The reason he doesn't play for Tonga $$$
Why bother with National teams ? Really ?
What should be done, to build the poorer Nations you are all talking about, is to start and put in place Scholarship systems in Schools, possibly, and more funds into their Unions in their own Countries. Then they would not feel the need to leave and fill other peoples teams, thus depriving their home grown players of a career. Because it works both ways, right ? If that is what you are using as a factor here.....money and a job.
And then we would have more viable teams, not just you bunch in the SH. Because clearly the islands produce very good players if you see fit to include them at the expense of some of the home grown NZ players...who are, we are told, the best players in the world It would have to be good for a Rugby as a whole.
And I am sorry, but I do not agree with journeymen in Club and particularly Country colours. It does not make a person racist to say that. So stop throwing that phrase into the argument.It makes someone sick to the back teeth of rules being bent and broken and of seeing boys who were good enough to rise through the ranks and who worked their socks off at all levels of the game get passed over for someone being shipped in from abroad. Who is not as good or is well past their sell by date. That doesn't just irk me, it makes me very mad indeed. So you talk about careers and money....what about theirs ? Their prospects and their dreams ? Or do they not count ? Didn't think so !
The NZ "Whites Only" Team should be playing the Australian "Whites Only" Team and the South African "Whites Only" Team and not rely on the black islanders to do the dirty work for the All Blacks or the Wallabies or the English Team.
Then the Springboks "Whites only" Team will be world champion by merit of who is the strongest white race.
Making issues of simple and obvious decisions of the individuals rights is barbaric and totally unrealistic.
Nobody, group, body or individual has a right to demand or impose or usurp such unrealistic and unfair obstacles and demands to others...period, get real.
And you are so defensive it just proves exactly what the rest of us are gleaning here...sort yourselves out then. Make things better for yourselves. Don't try and ruin things for our kids by sending your past it, old timers here or trying to bend rules to suit yourselves.
Very, very defensive about things.
Actually, I know Wayne Shelford and his family. Lovely man and lovely family, Glenn Ross as well and many of your lesser known journeymen players in a Rugby and Cricket.
Also met quite a few of your very well known players too.
But you know what ? Stop trying to presume we know nothing of the structure of your game or your lifestyles and hardships. You do not have a moratorium on the game if Rugby Union either....some of us here were brought up on it too. Some of us know more than you realise....I even have family in NZ right now. Two of them hate it, one is staying.
If all things were perfect and equal, Pacific Islanders would play for a union that incorporates that exact geographic location (ie if there was financial and economic power and reward to remunerate them).
Imagine a union that consisted of Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and perhaps Papua New Guinea...they would undoubtedly be the best.
New Zealand, Australia, and other unions, even England and Wales will be poorer in player power without those talented enough to be there...but because of the obvious mentioned factors they play for stronger unions of their choice.
Don't bring patriotism into it, it's got nothing to do with it...if so why does Saf fex work in Suffolk, Rooinek in the UK somewhere, Just Win in Poland and Mozart in USA. Don't be hypocrits.
If all things were perfect and equal, Pacific Islanders would play for a union that incorporates that exact geographic location (ie if there was financial and economic power and reward to remunerate them).
Imagine a union that consisted of Samoa, Tonga, Fiji and perhaps Papua New Guinea...they would undoubtedly be the best.
New Zealand, Australia, and other unions, even England and Wales will be poorer in player power without those talented enough to be there...but because of the obvious mentioned factors they play for stronger unions of their choice.
Don't bring patriotism into it, it's got nothing to do with it...if so why does Saf fex work in Suffolk, Rooinek in the UK somewhere, Just Win in Poland and Mozart in USA. Don't be hypocrits.
The Wallabies and the All Blacks represent the Pacific Islands and not the other way around. Once that sinks in there will be clarity.
Beeno: sometimes your stirring goes too far & this is one of those occassions. Time to make your strategic retreat.
& the fair-minded kiwi looked on in dispair
Stop being petty and salute their achievements and get our houses in order and improve.
A friend of mine has just come back from Auckland and told me that every where you go you see these guys playing with a rugby ball...the youngsters on the beach playing touch rugby, in the parks throwing the oval ball around.
SA, Australia, France England Ireland Wales and others you just HAVE TO GET BETTER and do with the spirit, the love of the game and stop looking for excuses, long live the AB's a great rugby playing nation and they will always be. Rather look at the way they win and rise up and challenge them...all rugby playing nations look up to them from the greatest to the minnows and we would be a lot poorer without them.
NZ we salute you.
I work in the UK? That's news to me. I thought I worked in Johannesburg.
The enthusiasm (sic) was startling because even though rugby is just a spark there, there is a flame that he started there. A great talker and motivator but almost an icon to these youngsters...I think Sean realises that there is huge potential in future rugby and for other nations, and in my mind I thought here is a guy that captained one of the greatest rugby sides ever giving his time and effort with little or any reward financially, but simply because he loves the game and wants to his knowledge and talent with the less fortunate.
I was really moved by this and changed my view on the man...a great rugby captain we all know, probably the greatest hooker ever leading the best AB side ever that lost a WC final in Johannesburg, my own country.
It sent a message to me...not only in rugby but virtually everything in life, share with what you're got to offer and what I saw he did it well. A couple of years later Russia qualified as a minnow side in their world cup endeavour...a very humble beginning, didn;t win a single game but managed to score 3 tries against the Wallabies in a cricket score match.
A mere spark but it just takes a spark to cause a bonfire...maybe in years to come these humble efforts will produce fruit and when one thinks of the vast population and subsequent potential , who knows.
This was a NZ'er who loves rugby. A great contributor to something most of us love...the greatest game on earth.
Peace bro and don't take it too hard.
Oh and please, do everyone a favour and find out what the term "sic" is used for because it's blatantly obvious that you haven't the foggiest idea what it means and you sound like a pretentious fool every time you use it.
It is such a nit picking argument...if one refers to the wikipedia you will find quite an assortment of meanings...even some with humour. I will not bore you or this forum by copying and pasteing it as I am quite certain that you have made it a task to study it. Such small matters, it can be argued, entertain or amuse small minds. And then without offense I'M NOT SUGGESTING OR INDEED IMPLYING THAT THIS PERTAINS TO YOU.I suggest lighten up and have a sense of the ridiculous and let things go...you might indeed live a little longer and indeed I hope you do as I certainly bear you no malice.
Much ado about nothing...so much more in life than finding fault with insignificant matters, no snobbery intended.
Incidentally I did apologise for my somewhat morose, if not, offending comments and I hoped that you would have the grace and "bigness" to accept this...and indeed with a dash of humour...be that as it may all is forgotten and laid to rest.
It is really not my intention to annoy you but no matter how hard one tries with you, you seem to have issues on really small subjects.
You knowledge on the game is respectable at times and I sometimes enjoy your posts and I apologise if my posts are not recipricated.
Be at peace my dear fellow and leave it at that.
"Sic" effectively means "I'm spelling this the way the other person spelt it even though I know it's wrong."
That's all. It has no other meaning . . . so stop talking shit . . . and spare me another of your sanctimonious and preachy sermons.
Oh and I don't remember any apology from you or even an acknowledgement that you behaved like an ill-mannered and foul-mouthed oaf. When exactly did you issue this alleged apology?
One thing I don't bull dust anybody...in fact you are very bumptious and a real sorehead at times but unlike you I do hold grudges against the foibles of human nature.
It's time you grew up and act like a real man.
I'm not prepared to enter any further debate with you and your petty mudslinging.
Keep your distance and I'll do you a favour and I'll keep mine.
Sic From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia For other uses, see SIC.
The Latin adverb sic ("thus"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted immediately after a quoted word or passage, indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed exactly as found in the source text, complete with any erroneous or archaic spelling, surprising assertion, faulty reasoning, or other matter that might otherwise be taken as an error of transcription.
The notation's usual purpose is to inform the reader that any errors or apparent errors in quoted material do not arise from errors in the course of the transcription, but are intentionally reproduced, exactly as they appear in the source text. It is generally placed inside square brackets, to signal that it is not part of the quoted matter; and is traditionally printed in italics, as is customary with foreign words.
Sic may also be used derisively, to call attention to the original writer's spelling mistakes or erroneous logic.[2]
Look up sic in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Contents
- 1 Etymology and historical usage
- 2 Modern usage
- 3 Formatting
- 4 Criticism
- 5 Alternatives
- 6 See also
- 7 Footnotes
- 8 References
Etymology and historical usage
Though occasionally misidentified as an abbreviated word, sic is a Latin adverb used in English as an adverb, and, derivatively, as a noun and a verb.[3]
The adverb sic, meaning "intentionally so written", first appeared in English circa 1856.[4] It is derived from the Latin adverb s?c, which contains a long vowel and means "so, thus, in this manner",[5] or "in such a manner".[6]
According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the verb form of sic, meaning "to mark with a sic", emerged in 1889, E. Belfort Bax's work in The Ethics of Socialism being an early example.[7]
False etymologies
On occasion, sic has been misidentified as the acronym "s.i.c." for "spelled in context", "said in copy", "spelling is correct", "spelled incorrectly", and other phrases.[8] These are all backronyms from sic.
Modern usage
Use of sic greatly increased in the mid-twentieth century.[9] For example, in state-court opinions before 1944, sic appeared 1,239 times in the Westlaw database; in those from 1945 to 1990, it appeared 69,168 times.[2] The "benighted use" as a form of ridicule, deserved or otherwise, has been cited as a major factor in this increase.[2]
The "immoderate" use of sic has created some controversy, leading some editors, including bibliographical scholar Simon Nowell-Smith and literary critic Leon Edel, to speak out against it.[10]
Conventional usage
Sic, in its bracketed form, is most often inserted into quoted or reprinted material in order to indicate meticulous accuracy in reproducing the preceding text, despite appearances to the reader of an incorrect or unusual orthography (spelling, punctuation, etc.), grammar, fact, or logic.[2][11] Several usage guides recommend that a bracketed sic be used primarily as an aid to the reader, and not as an indicator of disagreement with the source.[2][12]
To denote archaisms
A sic may show that an uncommon or archaic usage is reported faithfully,[13] such as when quoting the U.S. Constitution: "The House of Representatives shall chuse [sic] their Speaker ..." However, various writing guidebooks discourage its use with regard to dialect such as in cases of American and British English spelling differences,[9][12][14] unless used to convey ridicule. For instance, the appearance of a bracketed sic after the word analyse on a book cover led Bryan A. Garner to comment, "... all the quoter (or overzealous editor) demonstrated was ignorance of British usage."[2] Clearly the quoter would have preferred the U.S. spelling "analyze".
Wordplay and puns
Various wordplays regarding the word sic are possible, arising either from its second polysemic meaning "to attack" or from its homophone sick. The latter case is exemplified by the humorous expression "Poor grammar makes me [sic]" – which has been featured on clothing and postcards.[15][16]
Another example of this kind of pun can be found in the website TV Tropes, which uses it as an article title[17] as well as in a letter to the American Journal of Roentgenology criticizing their apparent overuse of sic as a kind of linguistic discrimination against those from a foreign-language background that "could lead readers to become 'sick of your sic'".[18]
Form of ridicule
The use of sic can be seen as an example of the linguistic device of appeal to ridicule, whether intentional or not, because it highlights perceived irregularities. The application of sic with intent to disparage has been called the "benighted use" because it creates a "false sense of superiority" in its users.[2] The following example from The Times demonstrates how the interpolation of sic can subtly discredit a quoted statement.
Warehouse has been around for 30 years and has 263 stores, suggesting a large fan base. The chain sums up its appeal thus: "styley [sic], confident, sexy, glamorous, edgy, clean and individual, with it's [sic] finger on the fashion pulse."[19]
In newly generated text
While chiefly used in text that is not one's own, occasionally a sic is included by a writer after his or her own word(s) to note that the language has been chosen deliberately for special effect, especially where the writer's ironic meaning may otherwise be unclear.[20] Bryan A. Garner dubbed this kind of usage of sic as the "ironic use," providing the following example from Fred Rodell's 1955 book Nine Men:[2]
[I]n 1951, it was the blessing bestowed on Judge Harold Medina's prosecution [sic] of the eleven so-called "top native Communists," which blessing meant giving the Smith Act the judicial nod of constitutionality.
Nonetheless, a writer's use of sic in his or her own words may lead readers to assume the source of the sic to be the book's editor and is often considered unconventional even when the sic "ironic use" reference is correctly understood.
Formatting
When placed within quoted material, square brackets are almost invariably used in modern U.S. usage: "[sic]".[9] Traditionally, the sic appears after the quote in parentheses (round brackets): "(sic)", especially when the error is obvious.[21] The word sic appears italicized, while the brackets are not: "[sic]",[22] following the convention that usage of italic type serves to indicate foreign words. This academic usage has become rarer in recent times.[12] While most style guidelines including The MLA Style Manual do not require italicization, others do, such as the APA Style. The APA Style insists upon the underlining of sic as an alternative when italic type is not available.[23]
Because sic is not an abbreviation of a longer word, placing a period (full-stop) inside the brackets after the word sic is erroneous.[24][25]
Criticism
Construed as argumentation
By convention, when no orthographic or grammatical errors are present, the use of sic often refers to a fallacy or error in logic,[11] and sic has been construed as intentionally argumentative and disparaging, producing backlash towards the publications in which they appear.[citation needed]
Linguistic discrimination
Usage of sic has been noted for its potential to affect linguistic discrimination. A letter written to the American Journal of Roentgenology (AJR) has been cited in the journal's French counterpart, the Journal de Radiologie, highlighting how apparent prejudices among English-language journals may be causing a higher rejection rate of scholarly papers from francophone authors[26] – a concern because English is the lingua franca for medicine.[18] In the letter, the AJR was criticized for its frequent insertion of sic when publishing letters written by French and Japanese authors even though its correspondence acceptance policy reserved the right of copy-editing, which could therefore have been used beneficially to correct minor English language errors made by non English-speakers. In response, Lee F. Rogers, the Editor in Chief of AJR, apologized for the possible discriminatory interpretation and offered the following explanation for its decision to insert sic on multiple occasions rather than to copy-edit:[18]
It is true that our manuscript editors normally remedy errors in the use of the English language to ensure reader understanding and to avoid embarrassing our non–English-speaking authors. However, because of the seriousness of the allegations addressed, we believed that verbatim quotes were necessary. Under such circumstances, we did not think it correct for us to assume the meaning of misspelled words or the intent of the author of the letter in question.
Alternatives
Correction
Various usage guides, such as The Chicago Manual of Style, recommend "quiet copy-editing" (unless where inappropriate or uncertain) instead of inserting a bracketed sic, such as by substituting in brackets the correct word (if known) in place of the incorrect word.[2][27]
Recte
Look up recte in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Alternatively, when both the original and the suggested correction are desired to be shown (as they often are in palaeography), one may give the actual form, followed by sic in brackets, followed by the corrected form, preceded by recte, in brackets. The word recte is a Latin adverb meaning "rightly".[28]
An Iraqi battalion has consumed [sic] [recte assumed] control of the former American military base, and our forces are now about 40 minutes outside the city.
According to the Journal of Seventeenth-Century Music Style Sheet, there should be no punctuation, for example no colon, before the corrected word when using recte.[29] Sometimes only sic and the correction are in the bracket, becoming as in the last example "[sic assumed]" (i.e. recte is omitted).[30]
Yes, "sic" means "thus was it written" . . . exactly as I tried to explain to you after your . . . ummmm . . . "phopah" (sic).
ROTFLMAO! "Phopah". That is a classic! Talk about stupid! Waaaaaaaahahahahahaha!
I have never before seen faux pas spelt that way though. A new one on me !
As far as I know there are no points for spelling correctly on a web 4-um
...yeah mate was trying to warn you guys before that Baby bok game against them...was another Junior Kiwi team they were up against....many from Wesley College that has produced players like Jonah Lomu, Casey Laulala, Siteveni Sivivatu, Stowers , Pulu, Piutau, Halai , Kepu, Tagicakibau...that's what is making Samoa increasingly more competitive.... have tried to advise my friend Bean Brain against being complacent against them...
Sports ResultsWESLEY COLLEGE RUGBY RESULTS FOR CHAMPIONSHIP FINALS SATURDAY 16 AUGUST 2014
TEAM
VERSUS
RESULT
1ST XV
Manurewa HSWIN 30-102nd XV
Wesley College Dev
LOSS 10-15
3rd XV
Alfriston College
WIN 36-8DEVELOPMENT XV
Wesley College 2nd XV
WIN 15-10
U15 BLACK
Manurewa HS
WIN 28-8U15 WHITE
Rosehill CollegeWIN 24-12U14 BLACK
Pukekohe HSWIN 97-0


