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Five players from one rugby team all found to have dementia

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4 The longest goodbye: Five players from one rugby team all found to have dementia


The longest goodbye: Five players from one rugby team all found to have dementia

By Dylan Cleaver

5:00 AM Monday Mar 14, 2016
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  • A Herald investigation has found that five men from a single Ranfurly Shield-winning rugby team have been diagnosed with dementia. Their families attribute their conditions to concussions suffered during their playing days. Neil Wolfe, dementia sufferer and All Black, wearing his All Blacks cap and jacket, at his home in New Plymouth. Photo / Brett Phibbs

    RUGBY AND DEMENTIA SERIES - OVERVIEW

    The Herald has discovered a cluster of dementia cases among the successful Taranaki shield side of 1964.

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    The odds of that occurring could be as high as three in 100,000, which medical experts believe adds to growing anecdotal evidence that multiple concussions suffered in rugby can lead to serious brain diseases later in life.

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    The Taranaki team of 1964. Photo / Supplied

    There have been no claims lodged with the Accident Compensation Corporation, but a spokeswoman acknowledged that with greater understanding and awareness of the dangers of concussion it is likely "that we will in the future".

    The Herald has spoken to families of four players affected by dementia, mainly Alzheimer's. We have also identified at least one other player of that era afflicted by the disease but do not have permission to identify him.

    All the named players suffered serious concussions during their playing days, with Neil Wolfe admitting he only "woke up" during halftime of his debut test against France at Eden Park in 1961, after being knocked out in a late "coat-hanger tackle" after 20 minutes.

    That was one of three serious concussions he endured during his fleet-footed career.

    "I have a little bit of dementia now and I suppose [the dementia] relates back to the time I played rugby and was in fact knocked out."Neil Wolfe
    Neil Wolfe in his playing days for the All Blacks against France. Photo / Supplied

    The other players in that Taranaki backline who have died or are dying with dementia are Ross Brown, arguably Taranaki's greatest player, who passed away after a long battle with Alzheimer's in 2014; Bob O'Dowda who is now in permanent care in New Plymouth; and Kerry Hurley, who is cared for in a home in Christchurch.

    The link between dementia and head trauma like that suffered by rugby players is a potential powderkeg for rugby administrators.

    Recent studies, particularly in the United States, have established persuasive links between repeated head trauma, such as concussion and the early onset of cognitive issues such Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), which was once known as being punch drunk.

    A recent study of retired French rugby players reported a "significantly greater number of concussions and recurrent concussions than other retired sportsmen". It also found that retired rugby players with recurrent concussions were more likely to suffer from major depressive disorders.

    Neil Wolfe with his wife Raewyn at their home in New Plymouth. Photo / Brett Phibbs

    However, a 2015 Auckland University of Technology study, carried out in conjunction with New Zealand and World Rugby, concluded that ex-sportsmen, irrespective of concussions incurred, suffered no negative occurrences beyond the norm in terms of marital status, mental health issues or brain-cell efficiency. There were findings that ex-sportsmen with four or more concussions performed worse in some neuropsychological and balance tests, but those findings were not definitive.

    In terms of the 'Taranaki curse', Professor Thomas Lumley, a biostatistician at Auckland University, said the chances of five players in a single team developing the condition before age 70 was about 3 in 100,000. The chances of dementia increased the more elderly the players became.

    The difficulty is in differentiating between when the men started showing symptoms of dementia and when they were officially diagnosed. "You could find dementia/Alzheimer's in four or five players in the same team of this age just by bad luck, but the chance is low enough to reinforce existing concerns about the effects of concussion in rugby," Lumley said.

    Jan O'Dowda with her husband Bob O'Dowda. Photo / Brett Phibbs

    Jan O'Dowda, the wife of Bob, said her husband's diagnosis was difficult to deal with, as was his precipitous decline. The more people she talked to, the more startling the information was.

    "I was trying to establish why he would have got dementia at such a young age and why it would have developed so rapidly," she said. "Some of his mates told he took some serious head knocks quite early in his playing career."

    Since then, O'Dowda has been left astonished by how many times her husband's story is mirrored by former teammates.

    "It's almost like an epidemic."Jan O'Dowda

    There is the unpalatable prospect that what is happening in Taranaki now is happening elsewhere, and many believe it could get worse before it gets better.

    Bob O'Dowda was fit and active. Photo / Supplied

    Rugby turned professional in 1996 but the sport's rulers did not start getting smart about concussion until about five years ago. Even now New Zealand Rugby Players' Association chief Rob Nichol says there is too big a discrepancy between various rugby environments in their attitude towards concussion.

    "For the past four or five years, we've just assumed there is a connection," Nichol said. "Our starting point is if there is brain trauma and it's not correctly managed, there will be complications later in life. We don't need a scientist or anyone to tell us that; we're just assuming it.

    "We're pushing as hard as we can to make sure we're at the forefront globally in concussion management."

    Dementia: Key facts

    We asked Dr Jonathan Simcock, medical adviser to the Neurological Foundation, to guide us through the dementia/Alzheimer's disease minefield. These were the key points.

    • Dementia is an umbrella term for the impaired ability to think. Common impairments include memory, language, judgement and behaviour.

    • Dementia is not a "normal" part of ageing. It is a syndrome; a brain illness.

    • It is a syndrome that interferes with social or occupational functioning.

    • Alzheimer's is, by some distance, the most common form of the syndrome, accounting for more than a third of dementia cases. Other common forms are vascular dementia (18 per cent of cases), which is often associated with strokes, and frontotemporal dementia (12 per cent), which typically occurs in younger patients.

    • The most striking feature of the pathology of Alzheimer's is amyloid, protein fragments that become insoluble and create folds. These folds affect the neurons and blood vessels, causing plaques and tangles to form.

    • Another feature of dementia syndromes is an abnormality of tau protein in the brain. This could be a feature of amyloid but it could also be a distinct feature. Those seeking treatments for dementia are increasingly looking to target tau directly.

    • The cause of Alzheimer's is not known, although there is almost certainly a genetic disposition.

    • The risk factors for Alzheimer's disease are identified as cardiovascular (including smoking, heart and lung disease, obesity, diabetes and hypertension), head trauma and susceptibility genes.

    • Trials for cures "have provided no consistent evidence for efficacy for any specific intervention".

    • Despite this, a cure for dementia could be found within five years, the leader of the global council on the disease said recently. Dr Dennis Gillings, outgoing chairman of the World Dementia Council, said recent scientific progress had surpassed his expectations and was optimistic that treatments that could remove the plaques in the brain linked with dementia, and those to unscramble the neural tangles that characterise the disease, might be developed as soon as 2020.

    • Dementia places a high strain on caregivers. "You're stuck with it," says Simcock. "The patient may change over time but they do not get any better."

    • Approximately 47.5 million people suffer from dementia worldwide. That is expected to increase to 75.6m by 2030.

    • The economic impact of dementia is estimated at US$604 billion.

    BE
    Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 09:30
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    14 Mar 2016, 09:30#2
     Bob I feel it necessary to point out these kbbs had dementia before they played rugby. Its common down there. Please don' t blame rugby for inherent problems with the down under gene pool!Ou Jw probably has never played rugby in his life judging by his understanding of the game and we all know his dementia is rampant.! Hahahahahahahhahahaha
    CL
    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 09:32
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    14 Mar 2016, 09:32#3
    Thanks for the information - but it i really not decisive.  It refers to individual players and in the case of the Taranaki threesome it is not conclusive either.  
    It is clear that there has been cases where players stop playing altogether because of concussion problems.   But whether there is a scientific link between the issue and dementia has never been proved scientifically.   
    One will have to see what happens in the case of other team sport to really find whether the situation is worse in rugby than in other teams sports before a scientific conclusion can be reached.
    There are indeed cases where premature dementia formats set in - even at a comparatively young age - so to state outright that a disease occurred purely based on concussion during rugby games is really premature and the assumption of individuals - who blame concussion is n ot a proven scientific norm.   
    BE
    Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 10:46
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    14 Mar 2016, 10:46#4
     ou maaaikie is you stopped posting because of dementia we would understand!
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 11:52
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    14 Mar 2016, 11:52#5
     

    You just cannot help yourself, can you? You sick f*ck.
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    March 14, 2016, 09:30:06

     Bob I feel it necessary to point out these kbbs had dementia before they played rugby. Its common down there. Please don't blame rugby for inherent problems with the down under gene pool!

    BE
    Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 11:57
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    14 Mar 2016, 11:57#6
     Lighten up windpomp you are such a miserable oak! If JW can spot the jokes you should be able to but you are a dull dunce! 
    JW
    Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 11:57
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    14 Mar 2016, 11:57#7
    Beeno, sometimes you can't help yourself. Do you realize you are showing a complete lack of sympathy for rugby players who have dementia caused by concussion? This effects players of all nationalities.
    JW trying to help Beeno show his Christian side
    RO
    RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 11:59
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    14 Mar 2016, 11:59#8
    "JW trying to help Beeno show his Christian side"

    I bet practicing Muslims aren't this insensitive . . .
    CL
    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 12:07
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    14 Mar 2016, 12:07#9
     JW
    I share your opinion about Beeno's rubbish.   However, there is no real evidence that the problem encountered by the players are in fact directly linked to concussion in games.  At least it has to my mind not proven by scientific evaluation as yet.  
       
    JW
    Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 12:37
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    14 Mar 2016, 12:37#10
     There is growing evidence in the NFL that concussion causes a lot of problems. I don't know the current research in rugby but in any case it is good they are taking precautions now. They weren't back in the day.
    DB
    DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 12:48
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    14 Mar 2016, 12:48#11
    My mother has dementia, brought on by a light stroke while she had hip replacement surgery a few years ago. It's sad, but it's part of life. Tact was never in Beeno's bag of tricks, but let's not get carried away here.
    BE
    Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 12:49
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    14 Mar 2016, 12:49#12
    Rooitwit talking about sensitivity - we hit a new high in merriment! Ha hahahahahahaha
    I am only joking about you JW, you are only in the early stages! 
    BL
    bluebokPro3,977 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 12:51
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    14 Mar 2016, 12:51#13
    I think all injuries are just part of the risk when playing a contact sport. Even "injuries" that show up many years after the fact. There may well be a link between head injuries and dementia, but as Mike has pointed out, the evidence is not conclusive enough at the moment. That said, I have had a family member suffer from dementia and let me tell you, they do suffer! 
    Still, 5 players from the same team! Seems like quite a coincidence! Still, there could have been external factors that also contributed to the seeming concentration of sufferers. 
    In South Africa, we seem to have a high concentration of rugby players suffering from motor neuron disease. A link possibly? 
    JW
    Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 13:02
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    14 Mar 2016, 13:02#14
     It does seem strange that so many players from the same team have dementia, I agree with that. We have to wait & see what emerges from this.
    Regardless, it is good they are taking more care with concussion injuries.
    Beeno, you never told us what caused your dimness & general lack of rugby knowledge. I always assumed it was the low protein diet & being under the thumb of Mrs Beeno.
    JW keeping an open mind on Beeno's limitations
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 13:29
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    14 Mar 2016, 13:29#15
     @JW. You do know that Beeno went to school in Zimbabwe, do you? 
    JW
    Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 13:38
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    14 Mar 2016, 13:38#16
    Ceradyne, I didn't know Beeno went to school, I always made allowances for him assuming he had no education. 
    Still, Beeno is Beeno so we just have to accept him as he is - there can be no explanation really.
    OI
    oimateyPro1,870 posts
    14 Mar 2016, 15:56
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    14 Mar 2016, 15:56#17
    There is no doubt in my mind that there is a link between multiple concussions and mental disease.
    Statistics are overwhelming - beyond coincidence. The medical evidence is mounting too. NFL is facing massive payouts.
    My memory hasn't been the same since my last concussion 5 years ago.
    People need to be informed of the risks, and if they continue to play then accept the consequences. Measures can be taken to minimize the risks, for instance I would like to see non-contact, or at the most only one soft contact (pads/dummies) practice at mid-week school boy rugby practices once games start.
    The only risk the sport has is if they fail to acknowledge the problem and put protocols in place that will protect and inform players and insulate themselves legally. But people will always want to smash into each other and others will want to watch it because its highly entertaining.

    BO
    bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
    15 Mar 2016, 13:08
    #18
    15 Mar 2016, 13:08#18
    ccl.



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