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Focus on bench for test squad; Richard Loe; NZ Herald

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Apr 2016, 12:25
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17 Apr 2016, 12:25#1

The Super Rugby season has reached a point when speculation turns to who should be in the All Blacks for the opening tests of the season against Wales in June.

From what I've seen in Super Rugby, I have no fears for the strength of the squad, despite the retirements of Richie McCaw, Dan Carter, Keven Mealamu, Ma'a Nonu, Conrad Smith and Tony Woodcock.

Coach Steve Hansen is traditionally loyal and the chances of a genuine bolter appear limited, given he's likely to extend his faith in a World Cup-winning squad.

Four jerseys are of key interest for me - 12, 10, 7 and 6 - but the bench structure will also play a key part in selection.

At first-five I haven't got enough coins to throw in the air. Lima Sopoaga is playing well; Aaron Cruden has been faultless but hasn't place-kicked; and Beauden Barrett can either play at 10 or in the back three.

The big decision comes down to who you start, because Barrett will be in the squad somewhere.

You don't need two first-fives if he is covering on the bench, but has he done enough now to earn a starting spot?

Potentially Damian McKenzie could get a debut as cover at fullback and first-five but realistically, who would you leave out?

It's less complicated at second-five. Charlie Ngatai and Ryan Crotty are the key challengers to replace Nonu. They will combine with Malakai Fekitoa, the logical contender at centre.

Sam Cane has been groomed as the No.7-in-waiting to replace McCaw - but Matt Todd hasn't been bad either. Nor have Ardie Savea and Blake Gibson, although the Olympic sevens and injury could rule them out respectively.

At No.6 Jerome Kaino is likely to remain the incumbent but Brad Shields and Elliot Dixon loom as contenders. As with any loose forward trio, it will depend on how they complement each other. Do they want blindside/No.8 or blindside/lock cover?

Elsewhere, the tight five should largely pick themselves based on last year.

The only debate at halfback is who backs up Aaron Smith from TJ Perenara, Tawera Kerr-Barlow or Brad Weber. Weber is a livewire, and similar to Smith in many ways, so could be ideal to bring on to up the tempo.

Out wide there are few problems. Ben Smith plays fullback and, while there were concerns over Julian Savea's fitness, The Bus seems to have got that right in the past fortnight. He just has to keep working on it.

At 21, Tevita Li might be worth a go on the other wing. He would probably go up against Patrick Osborne whose age of 28, might present a barrier. Alternatively, wing might be another way to bring McKenzie into the mix if Smith or Barrett shift accordingly.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Apr 2016, 12:32
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17 Apr 2016, 12:32#2
Here is Richard Loe's view of things.'Good that we have this level of competition for spots on the AB side as injuries are always a factor.

Posters comments on prior thread on this topic, here is the  Link to prior discussion The main thing that has changed since then is Barrett had a blinder this weekend.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
17 Apr 2016, 18:18
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17 Apr 2016, 18:18#3
  yeah, man,.... Barret had a blinder and put even more difficult the election of the third outside back and bench player,........

J. Savea and B. Smith are incumbents but the third outside back spot is open,..... Barret, McKenzie and now Dagg will be fighting for it,.... and the next 6 weeks will be crucial with the NZ derbies coming,.....


I see this journalist forgot Taufua as another contender for the blindside,...... he's being inmense,..... IMO the inform blindside of the competition,..... there was a very good description of him in an article (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/78998394/feisty-andy-ellis-at-base-of-scrum-driving-a-focused-crusaders-squad-of-equals) saying that he plays like

"if the opposition had surrounded him before the kick-off and chanted insults about his family"

and it's true,.... he's always giving all he have,....... like a bull, with the head down and forward with all the strenght possible no matter what is in front,....... his workrate is incredible and he's one of the best ball carriers in traffic at this moment,....... 

many people is saying that he cannot be an AB because of his size,.... but IMO he deserves a shot


the openside, with A. Savea playing sevens, will be Cane's,....... he's been McCaw's back-up for the last years and rarely the coaching staff change his mind,...... and it's true that everytime he played with the AB he had a good performance at least,.... but IMO there are bettter opensides,.... apart from Savea ( the best), Todd, e.g.


Another player worthy to follow is Scott Barret,.... the saders' lock,..... he's playing better than Romano IMO and in Tuipulotu's absence he could have a go,..... he would be my only change from the AB line-up I chose in the other thread


1. J. Moody       2. D. Coles       3. O. Franks

4. B. Retallick    5. S. Whitelock

6. J. Taufua       7. Todd/Cane      8. K. Read

9. A. Smith       10. A. Cruden

12. Crotty         13. M. Feikitoa

11. J. Savea      14. B. Smith     15. I. Dagg



16. C. Taylor     17. W. Crockett      18. C. Faumuina    19. S. Barret    

20. E. Dixon    21. B. Webber     22. D. McKenzie/Barret      23. C. Ngatai

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Apr 2016, 20:55
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17 Apr 2016, 20:55#4
ABF, IMO Todd will have a hard time replacing Cane. Todd was rated really highly a year or so ago but I am not sure he is "hard enough". Cane has been groomed for the position & I think he will get better.
With Dagg looking good if he is selected I agree B. Smith will 14, I had Patrick Osbourne at 14 before. Kaino is vulnerable.
Big battle for the reserve positions! The sevens competition will mean we will lose some talent temporarily.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
18 Apr 2016, 00:07
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18 Apr 2016, 00:07#5
 Too true guys RE: the selection headaches ,but the kind that any coach would want eh ? Ngatai if you want something exciting and Crotty to keep things steady .Wee McKenzie in their somewhere please ! Ardie savea deserves a shot against Wales if hes available ,they have been grooming him for a while now .B Smith and an in form Dagg ? Crikey taking B Smith outta his preferred position was a bit hit or miss last time wasnt it ? And TKB is still ahead of anyone bar A.Smith I reckon .What do you chaps reckon Wales chances are ? I reckon wee Mackenzie on the wing might wreak havoc on the lumpy gym junkies in the Welsh team !
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Apr 2016, 07:36
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18 Apr 2016, 07:36#6
 Wardad; Weber is giving TKB a headache so plenty of competition for the backup to A. Smith.
Where did S. Barret come from? I hadn't noticed him until the talk about him this weekend but he is really putting his hand up for AB selection squad. Glad we have some locks starting to emerge - we need a bit of depth.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
18 Apr 2016, 12:08
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18 Apr 2016, 12:08#7
 in 2014, with around 20 yo (I think), he played the ITM cup for Canterbury. He was the usual starter with Bird and had an excellent campaign.

last year he began the Super Rugby as full member of the saders team and started some matches while Whitelock had his mini-sabbatical. At that moment he was already before Bird in the picking order and had some good games . Then he suffered a lengthy shoulder injury that kept him sidelined for the rest of the season, he couldn't even play any ITM cup game last season.
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