Folau Hypocrisy

The following quotes are from Folau himself, that he recently made to the press

"Whatever His will is, whether that's to continue playing or not, I'm more than happy to do what He wants me to do."

Folau told the newspaper the outrage had not caused him to reconsider his stance.

"Absolutely not," he said. "I'll stand on what the Bible says. I share it with love. I can see the other side of the coin where people's reactions are the total opposite to how I'm sharing it.

Folau admitted he would miss rugby, but said he was dedicated to God.

"First and foremost, I live for God now. Whatever He wants me to do, I believe His plans for me are better than whatever I can think. If that's not to continue on playing, so be it," he said.

"In saying that, obviously I love playing footy and if it goes down that path I'll definitely miss it. But my faith in Jesus Christ is what comes first."

So here is my question:

He states more than once that he will stand firmly by his god and if this means that he does not play anymore rugby at all, so be it, because his love and belief in his god takes preference over everything else.

he stated all of this before any decision was made against him, by the Waratahs or the ARU

One surely has to assume then, that whatever outcome happens, after him making these statements, he must surely accept, because his own god must have had some input, as to what the outcome is for him..... as in, getting dropped from the Waratahs and the Aussie team.

So now that he is dropped, he wants to go legal?

So, would it be correct to say, that he is now in fact not accepting the outcome that his own god has provided to him, or is he now hoping that by going to court, and maybe winning, only then will that outcome be what his god wanted for him?

DA

Four questions and that is the whole issue:-

*    Is  the idea of free speech being destroyed by political correctness?

*    Is political correctness the new norm for player selection  and should performance be disregarded completely iro of  player selection?

*    Is the deep religious feeling of Pacific Islanders not going to be felt by Ausrtralian Rugby if they keep up the situation of Folau?

*   We have seen what damage is done to SA Rugby through "political correctness" - will it not damage  Australian Rugby?  

When you take religion figuratively, you can bend it to your own will - and then call it God's will. Say one thing, and do another...

Of course he has to go legal. DA you surely cant be suggesting Folau has no business defending himself

What this great guy Folau is saying is that should things at the end not go his way he will accept the outcome as God's will and move on with his life. Sue the pants off the pervs and their supporters

Let Folau's outstanding example inspire all God's people to make a stand a gainst these pervs! All these scumbags want is to silence all who disagree with their views as a part of the inclusivity drive. What a sick farce!

SB

Please look seriously as the key questions I asked above and provide answers.   This is a rugby forum - not one to fight religious wars.  

So, would it be correct to say, that he is now in fact not accepting the outcome that his own god has provided to him, or is he now hoping that by going to court, and maybe winning, only then will that outcome be what his god wanted for him?

No Hypocrisy DA. He said what he said and will not apologise for it to save his job. He is testing the legality of him being fired for what he said...if it was legal, he will abide by it.  

DumbAss ... who said it was God’s Will that he no longer play rugby?

This issue is far from over.

He quotes the scriptures and the poo dippers got upset. Those who support these poo dippers decided to show their support of this filthy practice.

We are still to see the outcome.

Let’s face it ... your questions are rather stupid. I hope you’re not challenging Stupid for his title.

He said what he said and will not apologise for it to save his job. He is testing the legality of him being fired for what he said...if it was legal, he will abide by it.

As if he will have other options... The court's judgement will represent people's decisions. Nothing more.

*    Is  the idea of free speech being destroyed by political correctness?

*    Is political correctness the new norm for player selection  and should performance be disregarded completely iro of  player selection?

Better to free all rugby stadiums over the world so that banners questioning the actuality of the quota policy fly during SA games.

"DumbAss ... who said it was God’s Will that he no longer play rugby?"

"This issue is far from over"

Folau stated very clearly:

"Whatever He wants me to do, I believe His plans for me are better than whatever I can think. If that's not to continue on playing, so be it"

Now, whatever this outcome is, in Folau's mind, his God must have something to do with what this outcome is going to be, otherwise why even bother saying that he is leaving his fate and his future plans...... in his own God's hands?

So...….. I ask again CC.....are you stating here and now in front of all the posters, that should he be banned from playing rugby, it was then indeed his own God's will that Folau no longer play rugby again...… and that Folau will fully accept his fate that he himself put into his own God's hands and move on with his life...…. as he has stated more than once, to the world?

Yes or No...… its a very simple question

Tell me CC

Let's see who the stupid one is here...……. since you are trying to justify this idiotic statement that Folau made to the international press, about God deciding his fate with playing rugby

Folau has twice stated that if his God does not want him to play rugby, by him getting dropped from the Waratahs and the Aussie side, then so be it, he will still stand by his homophobic post, because his love for his God, is far..... far greater, than his love to play rugby

I say bloody good on him...…………....However

If Folau remains dropped or dumped...…. by the Waratahs and the ARU, and in the process...... losing millions from not playing rugby and from endorsements...…..so he ends up applying to play for Toulon, and does get a 500 000 pound a year contract...…….does that mean that his God just didn't want Folau playing for Australia?

You love repeating yourself, don't you?

You say the same things over and over again.

If Folau is kicked out of Australian rugby, I seriously doubt he'll be allowed to play rugby anywhere else in the world. We already saw the poo dipper supporters booing Vunipola and all he did was like Folau's post.

Folau is already a multi millionaire and so opening up a business of a sort would be easy for him ... anywhere in the world. Money is not an issue here.

DumbAss, it's actually not about playing rugby at all. This whole issue is spiritual. Between a man and his God. God supports Folau's statement ... what comes after this sacrifice is still to be determined.

God is the final authority ... over everything ... and everyo ne ... even a dumbass like you.

Does that answer your question?

"DumbAss, it's actually not about playing rugby at all"

"Does that answer your question?"

Thanks, but no it doesn't do anything, because you just keep moving the goal posts to my questions

So now I see that this has nothing at all to do with rugby...… it is all spiritual?

So.... lets just say that Folau does go an to play for another team somewhere in the world, to earn a big salary, would you support his theory that his God just did not want him to play for Australia?

You cannot have it both ways here...… Oh, my God decided that my fate was to not play rugby again because the ARU have dropped me or banned from playing rugby ever again...….

Oh wait...… hold on a sec here...… my God has just thrown me a lifeline, to play for Toulon for half a million euro a year...….. maybe he was on my side after all, just not when I was playing for Australia

If Folau is openly stating, as he is, more than once...…. that he is leaving his entire rugby career in his God's hands, and will fully accept his fate that he himself has placed in his God's hands..... I can promise you and assure you here right now, that should anyone offer him a million euro contract to play overseas for a year..... then that faith and fate that he put in his God's hands will mean absolutely nothing to him, and you and him will try your best to explain it away in some other spiritual way.... whilst he is chasing that big money...… just as you have started doing already by saying that is is actually not about rugby...…

What a fucking joke...…. simple

LMAO

No ... I'm afraid I'm going to have to shift the goal posts again.

You and I are not on the same page. In fact ... you're reading a totally different book to what I have in front of me. 

Folau obeyed the word of his God ... it was a test ... would he be prepared to give up the high life ... sacrifice fame and fortune for his faith ... for his God?

Turns out that he was prepared to give it all up.

Now he awaits the Lords decision. If it's to play elsewhere then so be it. If it's not to play at all then that too would be accepted as God's decision.

As I said ... God is the final authority.

Kapeesh??

SB

You try to divert attention away from what I wrote and did not answer anything,   Let me explain to you "politically correct" is a phrase designed to designate extreme  leftist propaganda and can never be democratic as it aims to destroy freedom of speech and use propaganda  to influence thinking of people.   Fact is politically correct is a destruction of freedoms of speech and thinking which is the basis for real democracy.

However, there was  a reference to SA where authorities interfere in selection - it is totally unacceptable whether it is based on racial or religious beliefs.

The other question you failed to answer is whether players should be selected  on performance or anything else?

Obviously nobody should prescribe to religious people that they do not have the right to practice their religions  or prescribed to atheists that they are not acceptable in society,   I believe that what is written on this site is totally unacceptable and is an abomination.     

Well then let me play the same game, and move the goal posts as well

"would he be prepared to give up the high life ... sacrifice fame and fortune for his faith ... for his God?"

"Turns out that he was prepared to give it all up."

This is so very easy to say and do now, when you yourself have already made the following statement

"Folau is already a multi millionaire......……. Money is not an issue here."

However...…. if Folau was given this very same test without the millions he already has in the bank, and had to make this very same decision and lose all his millions whilst leaving it to his God to decide...... would he still make that same homophobic post to prove his love to Jesus , knowing what he stood to lose.

Not a chance in hell...... 

It's not that which I am referring to Cloudy

I said he is fully entitled to challenge the judgement, but he makes these statements about never playing rugby again.....against believing in his Jesus and I don't for one second believe any of it

He has already made his money, as everyone knows, and he has fully earned it.... no problem, but I don't for one second believe that he would give all of it up if he were faced with this same decision before he signed his first contract, knowing he would lose millions for him and his family..... because it was a "test from God"

It's like going to church, and watching your priest every week say that it is a sin to smoke and drink, but every week you find him in a bar drinking and smoking.

You then finally proceed to ask him why he preaches every week in the house of the lord, that it is a sin to smoke and drink, but he does it himself all the time

He replies, ag..... don't worry, I will just ask for forgiveness tomorrow when I get back to the church....

Then all is good with the world again...…..

Bollocks

Clouds, I think you've cut to the chase here. A line was drawn after his previous comments and he crossed that line for a reason. Personal you bet!

"Being politically correct is being democratic."

WRONG!

Being politically correct is subjecting yourself to fascism. Not allowing or exercising free speech. Giving in to the demands of "big brother"

#wrongthink #wrongspeak #thoughtpolice 

I wouldn't know ...

You are clearly desperate, DumbAss.

The reality of it all is that he IS a multi millionaire ... that he has made comments about poepol naaiers and others ... and that he is awaiting the decision from his God.

You are starting to bore me again, DumbAss. Come up with something that's relevant to the issues at hand or I'm outta here.

Yes, Lara ... they do not know that one can have a relationship with God where He's an active participant in your every day life.

This and the meaning of the word "hypocrisy" eludes them toally.

Like the blind leading the blind into the nearest ditch.

Beeno, hows your daughter?

Still waiting for your answer brother.

Would you discard her if she comes out of the closet? How would you handle it?

WHilst it seems that I may be baiting you, I'm actually asking you as I'd like to see where your head is at, because right now it seems like you may not have thought about all of the scenarios should one of your kids come out of the closet.

Folau produced a list from the Bible, of different folk that were destined for Hell.

Liars ... drunkards ... fornicators ... homos ... thieves ...etc.

Out of that entire list, it's only the homos that are protesting. The rest have no issue with what was said.

Why is that?

Why aren't the thieves bitching?

Don't the poo dippers want to be associated with thieves and fornicators? Is that what this is all about?

Isn't an unmarried homo, who partakes in regular poo dipping still a fornicator?

Most poofs aren't married.

Why are they crying then??

Sure sure.....

Folau…...I say here now that if this is between my rugby career or Jesus, I choose Jesus, because I love him more

Mmmmmmm, I wonder what he would have decided before becoming this multi millionaire, if faced with the exact same choice

"Folau produced a list from the Bible, of different folk that were destined for Hell"

"Liars ... drunkards ... fornicators ... homos ... thieves ...etc."

Yes, Folau can post this because he has never stolen before, and he has never lied before and so an and so on...………

Who the hell is he to judge anyway, when he is guilty of the exact  same sins...….

Is it because he asks for forgiveness every week like the drunk priest I mentioned?

The quotation of the article left out a bit:

"I told Raelene if she felt the situation had become untenable - that I was hurting Rugby Australia, its sponsors and the Australian rugby community to such a degree that things couldn't be worked through - I would walk away from my contract immediately," Folau wrote.

Seems this guy has short memories and considers himself unbound by his previous words. He told it for the last time, not this one.

It is very unlikely this guy has had big offers from NH clubs.

A big offer will allow him to walk from this mess while saving his face. He could give up on Australia rugby, claiming he does it because his faith matters more than the rest. And gets a compensatory juicy contract in the north.

Or this guy is a burning worshipper of mammon, unable to surrender the australian money, he wants both, the juicy contract from the NH and the money from Australia rugby.

Could be.

Or he does not have offers and is not ready to sacrifice money for the love of his god.

Folau produced a list from the Bible, of different folk that were destined for Hell.

Liars ... drunkards ... fornicators ... homos ... thieves ...etc.

Out of that entire list, it's only the homos that are protesting. The rest have no issue with what was said.

There is no evidence the rest has no issue with what was said. Actually, his comments lumped so many people together this could have a severe downfall on ARU.

Homosexuals are put forward for a main cause: the player himself. The player has a record about them, published his last comments when a political decision was made and was asked to refrain from pushing that type of comments.

However, there was  a reference to SA where authorities interfere in selection - it is totally unacceptable whether it is based on racial or religious beliefs.

The situation in SA rugby is the result of political interferences. Things do not disappear on a whim.

What happened through political will demands political will to be corrected.

SA rugby was given so many free passes by the world of rugby with a small counterpart: bring the sport to the major population.

25 years later, SA rugby has not trained one single half decent rugby player from the major populations. Not a single one.

The NH, from a much smaller pool has done it, quality players. SA, zero.

There is no will in SA. No interferences.The quota policy is a tale to hide from the situation: SA rugby is in terminal condition and will meet its end soon.

Trad

You still hiding behind this fake tag?

Sad twat.

How about you put your big boy pants on and confront us using your real account.

Not gonna happen huh?

Once a coward, ALWAYS a coward.

New story incoming...

Not going to happen because no other account exists.

And more importantly, it takes no courage to write what is usually written.

It takes no courage to write that there is no ongoing quota policy.

It takes no courage to write that rugby in SA must be terminated.

One might be a coward for not admitting those trivial points. Pointless though.

Folau looks to me as being a great man of God in the making. 

He is faithful to warn his flow man of the consequences of being a perv. He knew the perv would all hate his shining the light on their disgusting ways and that there would be negative results for him but he was faithful to God's Word. H

Can't help but wonder if God has far greater plans for His faithful servant than wasting his youth playing rugby.

May the Spirit of the Lord work in a mighty way in and through you Israel Folau. God protect you and give you great success in building the Ki gdom of God. 

There is little sympathy from former Wallaby Drew Mitchell, who accused him of hypocrisy.

He posted on Twitter this week comments from Folau on the Players Voice website last year when he was embroiled in the earlier scandal, for which he escaped sanction.

"I told Raelene if she felt the situation had become untenable - that I was hurting Rugby Australia, its sponsors and the Australian rugby community to such a degree that things couldn't be worked through - I would walk away from my contract immediately," Folau wrote.

Mitchell said: "I would hate to think Izzy is a liar because we know what happens to them."

Fantastic preparation for the World Cup planning of the Wallabies....

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Waratahs Team Mate Comments

Asked on Friday how he felt about Folau, Foley said he was conflicted.

"I think he's hurt the team which is not what we're doing and not why we play sport. We're a team and we encourage diversity.

"I also don't think Izzy is a bad guy, so there's a lot if conflict there, but I don't agree with what he's done so it's a tough situation."

Questioned about how Folau was hurting the Waratahs Foley said: "We're not talking about a game, we're not talking about the match tomorrow night, which we should be."

Foley said he hadn't spoken to Folau but had received a couple of texts.

If Folau is allowed back into the Waratahs fold Foley hopes they can talk to him to try and understand the choices he has made,.

"Thats something that we would do, is sit down and talk to him about the rules of the team and how the team has to come first for all players," Foley said.

"Because that's why we play the game, it's not just individuals who win games."

Trad

Lies are the coward's best friend.

You are never going to be popular when you chose to listen to God rather than man.

Mankind hates the truth because the truth hurts. But it is the truth that sets you free.

Beeno and Folau are right.

Folau's a real man...got more guts than most men, certainly more than any here.

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace on the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword [of division between belief and unbelief]. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his [own] household [when one believes and another does not].

Great scripture Seb! Yes Folau is making a great stand. The pervs are frothing at the mouth.

How unfair and nasty to say homosexuality is wrong. How unkind to say transgenderism is wrong. These mean people even say pedophilia is wrong!

Yes the pervs are so mixed up and morally depraved! No human is perfect by heck how sick are these weirdo pervs!

"People are entitled to their beliefs - however, they should not be writing it all over the media if it is offensive to other groups. This is the crux of the problem - and if you can't understand it - it is because your morals are blinded by an ancient text from a primitive age. 

Shark, so Christians are not allowed to offend other groups, but you are allowed to mock and offend all you like because you are an Atheist?

Are you stupid or a hypocrite?

""Being politically correct is being democratic."

WRONG!

Being politically correct is subjecting yourself to fascism. Not allowing or exercising free speech. Giving in to the demands of "big brother"

#wrongthink #wrongspeak #thoughtpolice "

Truth, you are on thin ice here, you might be in breach od "Democratic Law"....dangerous territory ..like shark infested waters...