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Folau Vs Stokes (Pom Cricketer)

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
31 May 2019, 06:17
#1
31 May 2019, 06:17#1

Hi all


I want to bring to the attention of the community to absolute disgraceful double standards in global sport.


1/ Folau posts an innocuous reference to an out dated translation of scripture and black listed for life from not only Rugby but Rugby League also... thanks to corporate world trying to dictate their 'moral' values on society.


2/Ben Stokes the red headed cricketer of kiwi descent playing for England - is CAUGHT undeniably assaulting innocent members of the public in a drunken rage... YET he is the HERO of the cricket world cup...


DOES anyone else see the crazy HYPOCRISY of this??


Just saying...


Regards,


Redsman (one of the last) retired rugby fans in Australia.  

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2019, 07:29
#2
31 May 2019, 07:29#2

Innocent members of the public?

Are you seriously trying to pass it off as just that?

Do some research before posting shit like this, please man...…… it makes you look seriously stupid

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 May 2019, 08:17
#3
31 May 2019, 08:17#3

I think redsman has a point.   There are too much action on the part of the capitalists to oppress potential opposition - it is indeed worldwide,   

Their herd boys and girls are glorified and they do everything possible to oppress any opposition.   While they themselves are totally without morals - deception is their norm.   Their agents can lie under oath - their opponents are demonized.  

I have seen a lot of that recently - if there is any sign of people revolting against their ideas - especially on cultural and  religious basis - they go ballistic and they use their media outlets for that purpose,   

Take the example of what happened to Trump - he was sure that the oppression of the working class by the globalist government was clear for all to see.   Clinton arranged for a false dossier to be compiled about Russian involvement in the Trump campaign and that is used as a weapon against Trump.   I cannot believe that some of the FBI and CIA leaders were roped in to play a key role  in that process.   

They then appointed a Special Council consisting of only known Democratic Party supporters and could not find any proof of such co-operation between the Trump campaign and the Russians - while there was ample proof that the co-operation was really between Clinton and the Ukrainians.   That did not stop the media fits and they would not accept defeat.

Now Trump authorized the declassification of all  documents pertaining to the plot and it is clear that the involvement of  the Obama administration in criminality is bound to come out.   The media outlets is consequently having a fit about such release of documents.

We are approaching the stage of a world dictatorship - that would lead to usage of the ignorant for their own purposes and would ultimately be a dangerous environment to live in.   If they have their way they would cause wars all over the world.  

I think Russia and  China realize what is happening - after all the same lot financed the original Russian and Chinese establishment of Communist Regimes - which led to the murder by the State of over 100 million people.   Religion was regarded as a potential opposition to them and oppressed,   The system really collapsed and although China remains as a dictatorship - Russia is not really one anymore,    The fight against Russia and ultimately China by the globalists is going to result in another disastrous war - maybe not one single World War - but continuous smaller  wars are inevitable.   

The world is in serious danger of entering hell on earth for the benefit of the global political and financial elites and the fact is we may not know the full implications - future generations will feel the consequences.       

               

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 08:58
#4
31 May 2019, 08:58#4

Mike Congrats you get it. 

There has never been a greater threat to humanity than the globalists planned one world government tyranny. 

However what is crystal clear now is that people everywhere have realized what these vile people are trying to do and a huge fight back is underway.

Yes you still get those who have been duped by globalist propaganda but their ranks are decreasing everyday. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 08:58
#5
31 May 2019, 08:58#5

Mike Congrats you get it. 

There has never been a greater threat to humanity than the globalists planned one world government tyranny. 

However what is crystal clear now is that people everywhere have realized what these vile people are trying to do and a huge fight back is underway.

Yes you still get those who have been duped by globalist propaganda but their ranks are decreasing everyday. 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
31 May 2019, 09:27
#6
31 May 2019, 09:27#6

So advocate... is drunken assualt causing actual bodily harm(from memory the cctv showed stokes KOing a guy who was clearly being non aggressive - that kind of action can kill someone) less of an offence that quoting out dated scritptural translations... to pretty much anyone with a balanced sense of justice the answer is a resonding NO...

Apparently Stokes was outside a Gay club mocking the homos... seriously laughable... but this is England's hero of the Cricket WC...??!!?

But to the corporate powers - CLEARLY double standards.

Ironically i made the same post on aussie websites and the administrators have removed it.... haha see what actually at play here.

Stokes is a scumbag bully = Israel never beat up and bullied anyone on CCTV... yet he has been ousted from 2x codes...!

sounds like advocate you have no brain.

https://youtu.be/AId8UdSO97I

http://video.mob.ge/geo/video.php?id=TMHxz9qEnh4


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 09:56
#7
31 May 2019, 09:56#7

Redsman you are on the right track but make a serious error when saying "quoting out dated scriptural translations"

There is nothing wrong with the translations. homsexuality is condemned throughout scripture. God commands are timeless and His stance on thi s perversion never changes.

Folau quoted scripture in this regard accurately.

A retraction please Redsman!


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
31 May 2019, 11:51
#8
31 May 2019, 11:51#8

Ok Redsman, if all this proof of yours is so conclusive against Stokes.....

Why was he in fact not sanctioned at all, in any way.... not even a fine?

Why does CCTV footage clearly show him escorting this gay couple away from the actual danger?

Why did the one homophobic guy threaten to attack Stokes with a glass bottle?

Why would the gay couple admit that Stokes bought them both drinks earlier in the evening?

Why would a gay couple come out and fully support Stokes by saying that he actually defended them because he knew that they were gay and that they were being attacked...?

Why would this gay couple also state that had it not been for Stokes intervening, they would have been in very serious danger of being badly hurt by these two drunken homophobes.

Also, while you are at it Redsman, why did the two gay men want to testify on behalf of Stokes, to say that Stokes actually did nothing wrong and actually protected them from being verbally abused and physically assaulted?

Gay couple defend Stokes

Stokes saved us from a homophobic attack

Stokes the hero

Bottle Attack

I don't even like Stokes, I believe he thinks the sun shines out his ass...… but I do think that you are being an asshole for stating that he just randomly walked around that evening, beating up "innocent" people on a night out, (Your words)…… when in fact it is very far from the truth.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 May 2019, 22:11
#9
31 May 2019, 22:11#9
Stokes beat the crap out of some homophobic twat who picked on a gay guy - good on Stokes Folau on the otherhand was stupid enough to think that it was ok to discriminate against gay people - good on Oz rugby for banning the ignorant homophobic twat
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 22:23
#10
31 May 2019, 22:23#10

So says the perv Saffex whose homosexuality now has to be beyond doubt. 

I take this opportunity to once again applaud Folau and the great Biblical warning to gays he shared. Very sacrificial of him. 

But off to the gay club with you Dave. Your toxic views supporting homosexuality at every turn are not appreciated here - apart from a couple of other pervs polluting the place. 


Thanks. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 22:24
#11
31 May 2019, 22:24#11

Looks like we need a new section which could be called pervs corner or something like that! 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
31 May 2019, 22:26
#12
31 May 2019, 22:26#12
Typical ignorance of the well known prick Pedsman! Despises all things Kiwi and seizes on any connection, no matter how tenuous, to rubbish NZ. Must really be galling for you Pedsman to have a Kiwi running Aussie rugby; and a woman to boot!!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 May 2019, 22:30
#13
31 May 2019, 22:30#13
Beenkop you are a waste of fucking space. There is no doubt you are just as stupid as Folau - he has sacrificed his career and more importantly highlighted how pathetic your religion is. It’s a fucking farce. It’s a dying art - there is probably more credibility in believing in the existence of Harry Potter at least it’s current unlike your stupid little book you drool over
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 May 2019, 22:56
#14
31 May 2019, 22:56#14

Home from your gay club already!

Sorry Saffex your perversion is disgusting to all normal people and nothing you say can change that. 

How do you feel about pedophilia. Have  you sunk that low yet? 

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
01 Jun 2019, 06:27
#15
01 Jun 2019, 06:27#15

Umm... OK...

Bashing people on CCTV is better than posting something from the bible on social media. 

That is what the case in point boils down to... 

Beeno - homosexuality is definitely condemned in the bible make no mistake as to my comment - rather the translation of 'hell' is one that is very likely misinterpreted particularly by the leftist types.

If you are so inclined - please do further research around Paul's letter to the Corinthians in line with historical and original dialect. It is more probable that Paul was referring to the Valley of Hinnom - a place where bodies were thrown that deserved no proper burials in 1st century Jerusalem... (not firey pit of torment 'hell-fire' as the KJV puts it).

Fact is I dont see how Austrlia's best player can be sacked for this and yet England's early world cup hero is free to play given the evidence against him.

Say all you like about Stokes defending gays (look at the videos he was out the front of a gayclub tormenting them.... ironically)- reeks of #fakenews and # coverup - perhaps the ECB doesnt have a disgraceful vampire goth @ their helm... who happens to be kiwi descent... seriously all you have to do is look at her.................

As for the insignificant comments from Molao or whatever your alias is... you are as insignificant as your country outside of rugby... lololol


BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 10:51
#16
01 Jun 2019, 10:51#16

Moooo lalaland your goth woman in charge of Oz rugby looks like a real freak. Shows how daft those running Oz rugby into the ground are. Why in the world hire this weirdo woman to run their rugby!!!



DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 11:57
#17
01 Jun 2019, 11:57#17

DA, the second paragraph of your first link: " The main thrust of Stokes’ defence was that he was protecting the couple from homophobic abuse. What exactly that abuse was, he could not remember.. "

Sou ds fishy already.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:02
#18
01 Jun 2019, 12:02#18

"Mr Stokes was arrested at around 2am after the fight in which he punched Ryan Hale, 27, to the ground and then knocked out Ryan Ali, 28"

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:04
#19
01 Jun 2019, 12:04#19

Stokes is a tattooed thug and this all is very fishy indeed. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:06
#20
01 Jun 2019, 12:06#20
Stokes claimed he punched man for abusing gay couple, court hears 20:54 08/08/2018

London - England cricketer Ben Stokes claimed he punched a man for abusing another individual "for being gay", his trial heard Wednesday.

Stokes, 27, is accused at Bristol Crown Court in southwest England for alleged affray, along with 27-year-old Ryan Ali and Ryan Hale, 28.

Stokes, jurors heard, told police in a statement that he felt forced to defend himself because it was "two on to one" in the brawl with Ali and Hale.

The two gay men Stokes claimed he was defending, Kai Barry and William O'Connor, "thanked me for preventing them from being beaten up", the cricketer told police.

But off-duty police community support officer Mark Spure, who tried to break up the fight, told the court that Stokes "seemed to be the main aggressor".

Jurors have seen footage of Stokes talking to O'Connor and Barry outside the Bristol nightclub Mbargo in the early hours of September 25 last year.

The court has also been shown footage of Stokes brawling with Ali and Hale - who are friends - after walking away from the club.

Stokes allegedly knocked Hale unconscious, and then Ali.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:09
#21
01 Jun 2019, 12:09#21

Sounds like alot of spin doctoring got Stokes of f. Clearly it's OK assaulting homophobes...but you are immediately crucified if you offend a homo it seems.

DA, did you even bother to read your own posted articles?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:21
#22
01 Jun 2019, 12:21#22

Stokes was the main aggressor says Police . Then he plays to the PC crowd that he was defending gays. 

What a load of crock.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:23
#23
01 Jun 2019, 12:23#23

Wonder how perv supporter Saffex will spin this. LOL

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:27
#24
01 Jun 2019, 12:27#24

Yes Beenz, not in one of those articles any mention is made that anyone but Stokes punched anyone. The guys "would have" beaten up the gay guys if Stokes did not come to their aid? Really? Says who? Horse sh!t I call.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 12:33
#25
01 Jun 2019, 12:33#25

Exactly Draad. The great thing though is how these perv supporters/practioners have been unmasked.

Their desperate defence at all times of the pervs has been their downfall. 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
01 Jun 2019, 14:23
#26
01 Jun 2019, 14:23#26
The fact is Pedsman, you still have a nice Kiwi lass running the sport you always claim you don’t care about! Excruciating isn’t it ?? Poor chap....
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 14:40
#27
01 Jun 2019, 14:40#27

Have to agree Mooo laland. Having an absurd kiwi goth as CEO  must be the pits. 

There needs to be an investigation as to how this redIculous kiwi got the position. 

Deport her back to Nz where she will doubtless fit in. LOL!!! 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jun 2019, 21:55
#28
01 Jun 2019, 21:55#28

Moo...if you call that a lass, you might just as well start support something other stupid.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jun 2019, 22:05
#29
01 Jun 2019, 22:05#29

How about alas!

She looks like Count Dracula doll. 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
02 Jun 2019, 00:11
#30
02 Jun 2019, 00:11#30
Harsh comments about the lovely Raelene guys.....
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jun 2019, 06:11
#31
02 Jun 2019, 06:11#31

Lassie come (go) home!

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
02 Jun 2019, 15:56
#32
02 Jun 2019, 15:56#32

Moola, I hope you are trying to humour us...LOL, she is far from lovely but hideous. Sure we cannot help how we look but her make-up and style looks like a low-life... a coarse woman with zero appeal... real low class...certainly no lady.

But a real chip on her shoulder and a vendetta against moral and decent people who are normal. What boggles the mind how Australians can elect some one like this to govern ARU...just as bad as Saffa's in the past electing Zuma as president...the worlds a lunatic asylum.



 


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Jun 2019, 07:48
#33
03 Jun 2019, 07:48#33

"DA, did you even bother to read your own posted articles?"

Db, maybe you just didn't read my response properly, or maybe you just chose to ignore it, or overlook it.

So, in your opinion, Stokes just walked down the street and just walked up and randomly hit some innocent individual walking down the street, and knocked him out?

Is that what you are saying when you say "Horse Shit"

He literally walked out the bar and then walked up to 2 completely random strangers and just attacked them for no reason?

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
03 Jun 2019, 08:24
#34
03 Jun 2019, 08:24#34

How the lovely Raelene EVER got the job is farcical at best... but Molaa I concede it does hurt.... she is single handedly destroying rugby in Oz which is sad due to the once great competition that existed between NZ & OZ & SA - now you can def subtract the OZ from the equation...

More disappointing is that the grassroot support here is continuous eroded and looks like other codes like League / Soccer will pick up the athletes and run with it.

Anyway this is what happens when politics and political correctness become more important than running an organisation.. 

BTW These Argies (Jaguares) look like they're using the S15 comp to prep themselves for RWC look out whoever is up against them... 



DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Jun 2019, 08:47
#35
03 Jun 2019, 08:47#35

BTW These Argies (Jaguares) look like they're using the S15 comp to prep themselves for RWC look out whoever is up against them... 

I fully agree with this

Some upsets are definitely on the way with this side

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
03 Jun 2019, 09:26
#36
03 Jun 2019, 09:26#36

Well ... why not use this comp to prep for a better national side?

Surely you didn't expect them to use 2nd rate players. They have one team in the mix, of course they're going to field their best.

Actually, I thought they would dominate most sides from day one.

How many seasons is it now ... and still they've never made a semi-final.



BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Jun 2019, 09:46
#37
03 Jun 2019, 09:46#37

Great post Seb. Oz need to send the nz goth packing and reinstate Folau pronto. How the heck dd this happen is the blazing question. Probably have one too many saffex types in power in Oz rugby.

Ozzies clearl y not paying attention to what has been happening!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jun 2019, 13:53
#38
03 Jun 2019, 13:53#38

Your words DA: 

"Also, while you are at it Redsman, why did the 1.two gay men want to testify on behalf of Stokes, to say that Stokes actually did nothing wrong and 2.actually protected them from being verbally abused and physically assaulted?

So according to you, Stokes was acting perfectly reasonable. Sorry, I don't agree.

1.They wanted to testify but did not. Why?

2. I called BS on the "protected from being physically assaulted?"

I  read a lot of "claims" and "would haves ", put an off duty police officer said Stokes was the main aggressor....and he knocked the one guy down and the other guy out. He might have been provoked, but I saw no proof of the exact provocation in any of the articles posted. A lot of subjective opinions and spin doctoring. Sounds like aggravated assault to me...lucky he got off from probably commuting a violent crime, much better than quoting a peace of offensive Bible scripture.

There was never any chance of Folau being guilty of a crime...opposed to:

"He had been identified by an off-duty police officer as the “main aggressor” in a fight which left the firefighter and former nightclub bouncer Ali with a broken eye socket and blood pouring from his face.

"“a sustained episode of significant violence” from Stokes, who had “lost control”. But Stokes’ defence remained unchanged throughout. He told the jury he had “stepped in” to defend two gay men who were being verbally abused, but then had to defend himself from Ali, 28, and Hale, 27, who were threatening violence. Ali was wielding a beer bottle held upside down by its stem, he said."

"The jury heard Stokes had no recollection of hitting Ali and could not remember what was said during the alleged homophobic abuse. "


"He had denied being drunk, but told the jury he had had three to four beers, six vodka and lemonades and “a few Jägerbombs”.


An Avon and Somerset police spokesman said: “We carried out a thorough independent investigation into the events of 25 September before passing a comprehensive file of evidence to the Crown Prosecution Service [CPS], which subsequently made the decision to charge.


“Having reviewed the evidence, the jury has concluded the actions of the defendants did not amount to affray and we respect this decision.”


Yes DA, Falau is clearly a much greater menace to human decency...let's ban him to live out his life somewhere under a bridge.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
03 Jun 2019, 13:58
#39
03 Jun 2019, 13:58#39

Oh Jesus Db

Read my message please. ..… for christ's sake..... just read the bloody post, especially where I highlighted it last week

So, you believe that Stokes left the pub and walked up to the first completely innocent person on the street and knocked him out cold.

No words, and no actions by anyone.... Stokes just walked out the pub and knocked out the first completely innocent person that was in front of him

Yes or No?

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
03 Jun 2019, 14:06
#40
03 Jun 2019, 14:06#40

..LINK

From that:

A former soldier knocked unconscious by England cricketer Ben Stokes during a street brawl in Bristol has said he cannot understand why the sportsman was not charged with assault by the Crown Prosecution Service.


Stokes was acquitted of affray this week after a trial at Bristol crown court. But Ryan Hale, who served with the Rifles during the Afghanistan war, said he “struggled to understand” why Stokes had not faced the more serious charge of assault.


Footage taken from CCTV cameras in central Bristol on the evening showed Stokes, 27, punching Hale in the face before he fell to the ground, apparently unconscious. Hale’s friend Ryan Ali was left with a broken eye socket and heavy swelling to his face following the fight.

On the opening morning of the trial, the prosecutor Nicholas Corsellis attempted to add two counts of assault to the charge of affray faced by Stokes. Judge Peter Blair QC said it would have been difficult to object to those charges had they been added months earlier but that it was too late to do so as the defence had prepared for an affray charge.


But Hale has expressed his dismay that Stokes was not charged with assault. A statement issued by legal representatives Bobbetts Mackan Solicitors & Advocates said: “Both Mr Hale and Mr Ali were knocked unconscious by Mr Stokes, and although Mr Stokes has been acquitted of an affray, Mr Hale struggles with the reasons why the Crown Prosecution Service did not treat him as a victim of an unlawful assault.”


Hale, 27, who is from Bristol and was also found not guilty of affray, rejected the suggestion he had been homophobic towards gay couple William O’Connor and Kai Barry on the evening of the brawl in September last year. Stokes said he had thrown the punches to defend the couple after witnessing them receiving homophobic abuse from Hale and Ali. (But he can't remember he punched someone or what was said, but he defended them?)


O’Connor and Barry were not called as witnesses by the defence or prosecution, (why not?) but after the not guilty verdict they gave interviews to media outlets claiming Stokes had defended them from homophobic abuse. Barry, 27, told the Sun newspaper: “We were attacked only because we were gay. Ben was heroic — thank you Ben!”


But Hale maintained he had only had good-natured interaction with the couple.

A

 statement issued on his behalf, read: “It is of concern to Mr Hale that following the conclusion of the trial, Mr O’Connor and Mr Barry, neither of whom were relied upon by the prosecution or the defence team for Mr Stokes, have taken the opportunity to speak with various media outlets about the alleged homophobic abuse that they received in the early hours of Monday 25 September.


“Mr Hale has passionately denied this allegation throughout the course of this case, initially providing his denial to the police when he was interviewed on a voluntary basis on Friday 29 September and he maintains this denial to date.


“It is upsetting to Mr Hale that although he was acquitted, the accusation that he was the author of such abuse remains.”


Something fishy heh DA?

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