Francois Steyn out of the

After the WC Francois Steyn said he was finished as a test level player.   Before Erasmus picked him as a "bomb squad"   his career on test level came to an end in 2012 when he ahd serious weight problems.   However, Erasmus took him in hand  and his weight was a reasonable 110  kgs  don from 118 kgs in the period 2012 to 2015.  

Be it as it may - in the paper today the writer wrote about him in the "bomb squad"   Steyn is already 33 years old  and he is too old to feature in future Springbok teams.   Unlike Mozart who support experience selections without regard to actual acceptable performances - I believe  that player performances are affected by aging and in the end they become a liability rather than an asset in the team.   A typical example of deteriorated performances was Matfield - a serious flop in 2014 and 2015.

The aging factor does not only apply to rugby players only - it applies in most codes of sport.  There are exceptions - but they are rare.   A while ago I wrote that the era when Federer, Nadal and Djokovic  controlled is coming to an end nd some people wanted to have a fit about my comments on site,    Nadal and Djokovic did not make the finals in the prestigious  end of year tournament and Nadal's record since that Championship was poor.  Djokovic lost matches which he would never have lost - but he redeemed  himself by winning the Aussie Open.   

Federer after a year absent  from tennis  because of two knee operations tried to start a comeback to professional tennis  in tournament in Qatar and Dubai.    In the Qatar tournament he was disgraced by two players who rarely won anything of note for years and complaining about aches and pains he suspended  playing in Dubai next week and said he wants to go back into training before attempting another comeback in May or June.   Sad - but I think his professional career is at its end,

The moral of the story is that players try to be active in sport wat past their sell-by date and in the process they damage their reputation. ,  .             

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Federer after a year absent  from cricket because of two knee operations tried to start a comeback to professional tennis  in tournament in Qatar and Dubai.  

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Federer plays Cricket as well? 

Oops, sorry.

A bit harsh, Ou Mike still makes occasional sense on the Trumpet. But like many old codgers his emotions simply swamp his reason much of the time,

Federer's absence from cricket allowed him to make a comeback in tennis. Perfectly logical guys, come on.

Mozart

I am sorry - Mozart -  but you insistence on selection of players way past their sell-by date on the basis of reputation without an performance requirement is  simply  BS,

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Lee Westwood at 47 beats off all but one of the young guns to finish second at the Players. And he has a nice looking chick on his bag vs an over weight balding man in short pants. 

Your predilection for choosing every young flop is hilarious....witness the implosion of Proteas cricket since Smith and Kallis retired as you so desperately wanted.

I am not supporting any young flop - my support of young and old depends on proven performance, while you support the  selection of non-performing old flops.   Huge difference/   Besides that you supported in the past the failed  coaches like Meyer and Coetzee - while atatcjing the best coach in world rugby continuously.     

There is no evidence of Josè Erasmus coaching. All we know is his teams are amongst the worst attacking teams throughout his entire career , and that Nienaber can solidify a defence. That's it. Best in the world? At what? Where, when and how? Normal people wouldn't be putting him on a pedestal. 

Rassie beat the worst Wallaby side in 45 years, drew with the most vulnerable All Black side since 1998 to win an abbreviated RC. Perspective.

World Cup? We were fortunate to face NZ in the group stage, or we'd have been sent home. A Welsh side ravaged by injuries, and our best match up of all NH teams in the final. Quite fortunate.

So where is the Rassie magic? Aside from defence and kicking, where is this high level coaching? And to make matters worse, Coetzee's 2017 still stands as better than 2018. The only difference between the two is Nienaber , and that Coetzee can increase attacking output. That's the reality of the situation. There is no evidence of Erasmus coaching to a high level at any point in his entire coaching career. Ende. 

It's hard to choose which is the closest to absolute zero . . . Ou Maaik's knowledge of cricket, Omlett's knowledge of rugby or Moffie's knowledge of Grand Tour cycling . . . but if Omlett honestly thinks that England/Samoa/Tonga/USA/Fiji/Argentina/England is harder than NZ/Italy/Namibia/Canada/Japan/Wales/England then Omlett is the closest.

Actually I have your answer Rooipeepie.....your knowledge of numbers is clearly the closest to absolute zero....whereas your obsession with the male member is closest to 100.

Erasmus apologists keep quoting Erasmus’ schedule vs  Jake’s schedule. What they don’t quote is that Jake’s record was 100% victories....Erasmus was at 86%.

It amounts to this, it matters little that we played NZ in 2019 when we lost to them. Just a little lesson in logic.

White was bloody lucky - be fore the WC the AB's in the three nations tournament beat the  Springboks 33-6 and the Wallabies beat them too.   So he was lucky they were not up against those two teams in the WC.   His 100%  record in the WC means zilch - what was discussed was what happened in the two finals.   

The 2007 final was a team fumbling along with the opposition being even worse by giving away penalties that were converted.  Ball skills were poor, ball protection at breakdowns virtually non-existent. and defense was average  and not very efficient.    Scrumming was not strong enough to make any impression on the English scrum

The 2019 final was a perfect game of rugby played by a well-oiled Springbok machine.    The only player whose ball skills let the team down was Le Roux.    For the rest the English team was over-powered totally up front  and their backline neutralized by Du Toit and De Allende.    A 100% better effort than the Springboks  in the 2007 final/       .     

Irrespective if White was lucky or not he brought home the WORLD RUGBY CUP.

What have you "White Bashers" brought home.

Give credit where it is due.

Same goes for Erasmus.

AJH, the White bashing is in reaction to the Rassie bashing...and vice-versa......time loop...

But Jake never lost.....the well oil machine had some grit in the engine against NZ. 

And then we have the Erasmus chicken run. Jake will  compete anywhere any  time he is given a chance. Erasmus schemes and ducks and dives.....trying to parlay  a win against the absent Poms into a 4 year record. 

Springbok rugby never dropped lower than last year’s RC....pure cowardice.

Jake never played NZ..or Wales in a RWC...he played an over-the-hill Pom side...twice...

"Springbok rugby never dropped lower than last year’s RC....pure cowardice."

That's horse manure and a cowardly low blow...no context...and don't use the Argie analo gy...our players were in a way different situation during lockdown...rugby is about a level playing field ...and protecting your brand...Argie had all to gain and nothing to lose...we are still world No.1...right choice...you don't p!ss that away on a whim.

No rugby is about competing....sometimes conditions favor you, sometimes they don’t. Competing  against our RC competitors last year was way less of a level  playing field issue, than playing the Lions in GB, which apparently is being considered.

I guess the money is just too hard to ignore.

And yes the Bargies demonstrated our cowering back home was unnecessary and shameful. 

"Competing  against our RC competitors last year was way less of a level  playing field issue, than playing the Lions in GB, which apparently is being considered."

No it's not nearly the same thing. We had a hard lockdown here. The teams weren't even allowed to train together for most of the year, nevermind playing...NZ and Aus only had hard lockdown for a couple of months...you can't go play the Allblacks without having played/trained any rugby for months on end. We were only allowed out of the house for a hour or two per day...for months!..most of the rugby players had to try and keep fit by themselves and indoors to boot...this isn't as simple as you think.

Rugby was shut down totally for more than 6 months.

"And yes the Bargies demonstrated our cowering back home was unnecessary and shameful. "

Your lack of discernment is not what I would have expected of a mathematician, a scholar and statistician...so you are either deliberately ignoring some of the facts or you have some other agenda...

No I don’t believe so....we were at a disadvantage to be sure, but the chances of us winning the RC were greater than the chance of our still rusty team, which hasn’t played since the WC,  beating the Lions in the UK.

So if we follow that logic, protecting the brand when the odds don’t favor us....we shouldn’t even entertain that idea.

But winning isn’t everything....competing is the holy grail. The spirit  of competition that has Verstappen competing with Hamilton even though he has a vastly inferior car. There was glory in a RC win....and no shame in a loss. Likewise if we play the Lions in the UK.

What was needed in the depths of Covid was to see our sportsmen out there, keeping the games alive..., providing entertainment to the huddled masses.

Instead we had a cowardly cop out, sadly underlined by the Bargies gutsy showing.....and it was 100% pure Erasmus. The Bok brand has not been protected, it has been diminished and it will take a long time to get back to where we were.

It wasn't about being disadvantaged...we always are in the 4N due to travel, it was being totally unprepared in all facets...players have been sitting at home since March...for the Lions Tour, we will have a couple domestic competitions under the belt...and the tour will bind the team. We will at least have proper preparation vs absolutely nothing...a world of difference.. again, I can't understand why you can't grasp the difference. 

Shark, when you win the RWC, you are automatically ranked 1st...

I totally disagree of course....the way you reason Federer should never play the French, Nadal should never play Wimbledon. You only play when your chances of winning aren’t compromised.

Our teams played 7 Super matches, many of our guys had played in Europe. Yes NZ played a bit more...but the Bargies didn’t. With an early departure to Oz we could have been at 95%, improving as the tournament went on.

This wasn’t a case of not having a chance it was a case of not wanting to take a chance.

"Our teams played 7 Super matches"

Our teams played 6 matches over 7 rounds, but most of those matches were played at the same time as the 2020 RC, not before.

The Tri-Nations kicked off on October 31st last year. Less the 2 weeks of isolation/quarantine and a week for travel and prep, that means the Boks should have left SA +/- October 10th. The first match of the Rugby Unlocked was on October 9th, with almost no preparation and group training prior to these matches. We were in a hard lockdown well into September.

Your facts are wrong...we played 6/7 Super matches at the start of the schedule. .....they were played before the RC schedule in the normal way.

And nobody is suggesting we could have prepared in South Africa, we could have simply done what the Bargies did. A team could have been selected and prepared for a month in Oz...most of the guys would have enjoyed the break.

This was just Erasmus trying to protect his WC takings....pathetic cowardice.