I deeply miss the old Currie Cup, watching that Bartmann footage.
Captain17,321 posts
16 Apr 2020, 08:50
#41
16 Apr 2020, 08:50#41
Frans, Bakkies make list of 'hardest rugby players who ever lived'
Started by Chippo60 REPLIES5,522 VIEWS· 15 Apr 2020, 14:17
Pro6,974 posts
16 Apr 2020, 09:08
#42
16 Apr 2020, 09:08#42
The Currie Cup lost its luster to me at least, in 2000/2001. I remember two epic finals between Province and the Sharks, and that was it. By that time, it really was falling behind Super rugby. I think the last interesting Currie Cup was 2006, when a new crop of players burst onto the scene in the absence of rested frontline players. Pienaar, Frans, JP et al. When I look back at older games, 80s Currie Cup really had a great atmosphere. I wish I could have been there to see it myself.
Captain17,321 posts
16 Apr 2020, 09:16
#43
16 Apr 2020, 09:16#43
So many unforgettable moments over the years, like the streaker Brian Baenhoff who tackled FC Smit and sank a possible try scoring move for Province, who ultimately lost the game (last game before the playoffs if I remember correctly). That forced them into a playoff against NTvl, which they lost.
Captain17,321 posts
16 Apr 2020, 09:24
#44
16 Apr 2020, 09:24#44
I guess Smit allowing himself to be brought down by a puny wee naked guy disqualifies him automatically from the hard men list
Pro9,905 posts
16 Apr 2020, 10:22
#45
16 Apr 2020, 10:22#45
Yes ... I know it's not something you like to hear, Augie ... but I'm afraid it's true. Your tendency to exaggerate it's directly linked to ignorance. You desperately want to talk rugby with the big boys but don't know how and so you come up with these absurdities.
It is what it is.
Don't take it personally. At last you're a smidge above Dumb Fuck Dave and Wanker Mike. You can be proud of that at least. You do get things right from time to time.
I can only imagine how frustratating it it must be for you to struggle so ... to not know that you don't know.
My advice ... post less ... try to differentiate between rugby and chucking horse shoes ... listen to those more knowledgeable. You may pick up an understanding of the sport. It may prevent those embarrassing moments you've experienced around the braai fire.
Well I hope so anyway.
There are those like Denny, Mike and Stupid Dave who've posted on here for years .. been surrounded by the more knowledgeable ... and yet ... are as ignorant today as they were decades ago. What can I say ... puzzling I know ... I've assigned it to simply being stupid ... solid bone from the neck up.
Isn't it amazing that the stupid always have the most to say?
You don't have to be one of them.
Here's holding thumbs!!Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2020, 11:19
#46
16 Apr 2020, 11:19#46
Hey Cunt let me guess - you are one of the more knowledgeable are you?
Talk us through Boshoff again - the extended version not the highlights
Ignorant prick
Pro2,680 posts
16 Apr 2020, 11:23
#47
16 Apr 2020, 11:23#47
Really a stupid exercise as it is virtually a lost cause to try to equate especially on some mentioned here.
But there are a few standouts, one is Bakkies Botha, Sebastien Chabal, Mamuka Gorgodze and yes Wahl Bartmann could be one too.
But those 3...you get cannot get tougher and harder.
But most of you don't even know anything about the Georgian and French players mentioned.
Pro2,680 posts
16 Apr 2020, 11:34
#48
16 Apr 2020, 11:34#48
and yes there was one Andy MacDonald (from N Rhodesia) who played Springboks who is only 1 of 2 men in the world's history to have killed an African Lion bare-handed and lived.
The other was strange to say an American Red Indian who was attacked in Africa and managed the same.
Captain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2020, 12:07
#49
16 Apr 2020, 12:07#49
Yeh , Tarzan used a knife.
Pro6,974 posts
16 Apr 2020, 13:34
#50
16 Apr 2020, 13:34#50
Chabal was overrated. Danie Rossouw. Not credible list can be formed without his name.
Pro2,680 posts
16 Apr 2020, 13:41
#51
16 Apr 2020, 13:41#51
Hey, that's a bit facetious for someone who's normally a moderate fence sitter and then we have the expert from Germany...Hahaha
Pro9,905 posts
16 Apr 2020, 13:52
#52
16 Apr 2020, 13:52#52
Well, Dumb Fuck ... I would ... but in your case, it's won't help.
Kolisi is a better flank than Schalk Burger ... JJ Engelbrcht is the best 13 since Gerber ... Elton Jantjies is a rugby genius ... Coenie is the best tighthead we've seen in decades, only surpassed by Tank Du Toit ... De Allende is the best 12 in he game ... Gelant has blistering pace and is pure class ... Notshe is world class and should start for the Boks ... Jacques Du Plessis is worthy of the Bok 7 jersey ...
Need I say more?
Nothing can be done to help your ignorant plight.
Even Dumb Mike has a better understanding of the sport than you and he's as thick as a brick.
Sorry.
Don't let that stop you from posting your hilarious theories ... your grocery lists of "brilliant" quota players ... and of course, we're all very interested to hear how many top international players your moffie son knows ... not to mention all your mates landing top coaching jobs through out the world.
Keep it up, Stupid.
Captain12,893 posts
16 Apr 2020, 14:12
#53
16 Apr 2020, 14:12#53
Ag Clean Cut you are darem a funny old bugger. Seriously ou maat, telling us we know fokol about the game after all these years doesn't do you any favours
Captain30,741 posts
16 Apr 2020, 20:46
#54
16 Apr 2020, 20:46#54
Hey cunt you seem to have forgotten to talk us through Boshoff as our Bok 10
And this twat has the audacity to point fingers at other posters when he comes up with the biggest howler of all time
There is stupid and then you get this cunt
Captain26,388 posts
16 Apr 2020, 22:14
#55
16 Apr 2020, 22:14#55
"Hey, that's a bit facetious for someone who's normally a moderate fence sitter "
...Sorry Seb, but the lion story got me thinking...how on Earth do you kill a lion with your bare hands?
Well, Samson was no normal man...but the other 2...
A friend of mine's grandfather or his grandfather's brother once accidentally killed his pet lion with his cane, but fighting and killing a lion with your bare hands? Stuff of legend...even Tarzan used a knife...and I'm not being facetious, I just see a bit of mirth in some of the serious stuff too.
Pro2,680 posts
17 Apr 2020, 07:07
#56
17 Apr 2020, 07:07#56
Andy MacDonald's encounter was well known in the old days and it's absolutely true...don't ask me how he did it...just sheer strength , resilience and technique (he strottled her) I think it was a lioness...a male lion no way. He was very badly wounded and torn to shred, caked in blood and mud that even his family did not recognise him. It was on his farm in Northern Rhodesia (Zambia) in the late 1960's. You can google it.
The indigenous North American account is also I believe a true event. What a Red Indian was doing in Central Africa at the turn of the 20th century, I don't know but somewhere back it was was known by my late great uncle who was a big game hunter in the early 19 hundreds.But that's digressing.
Yes Andy played Springboks, a lock I think, a mountain of a man.
Sadly he was murdered by terrorists some years ago.
Captain26,388 posts
17 Apr 2020, 09:23
#57
17 Apr 2020, 09:23#57
FWIW, I never doubted the authenticity of the story...and I will Google it.
Pro2,680 posts
17 Apr 2020, 10:01
#58
17 Apr 2020, 10:01#58
He was a tighthead prop not a lock and yes the lion was wounded with a rifle shot first..here's something on him :
In 1965 Macdonald was still able to play for Old Miltonians and he turned out for Rhodesia, who had a good season during which they beat the touring Pumas from Argentina, drew with the Northern Transvaal Platteland and then caused a sensation by accounting for the powerful Western Province team.A Rhodesian Invitation XV played another three matches, two against a strong South African Invitation team. The first match was drawn 22-22 but the visitors won the second 30-14, despite the Rhodesians acquitting themselves very well.
It was surprising that Macdonald was the only Rhodesian to be given a Springbok trial but those who knew their rugby felt that the big prop's selection to tour New Zealand would be a formality.
Macdonald was duly selected but had his elation somewhat dampened by the attitude of the new Zambian Government who announced that he would face 'certain consequences' if he went ahead with the tour. Still working his government-leased farm, he was worried by the Zambian Government statement But not wishing to give up the ambition of a lifetime and urged to go by his wife, the Livingstone farmer eventually motored down to Johannesburg where he linked up with the remainder of the Springbok team.
It was a rewarding tour for Macdonald, although the Springboks lost both Tests against Australia and were beaten 3-1 in New Zealand. He played in five of the six internationals, missing only the second Test against Australia, when he was replaced by Hannes Marais.
The All Blacks were certainly impressed by the strength of Macdonald. who played at tighthead prop in the four Tests and the great New Zealand lock forward. Colin 'Pine Trees' Meads, was much impressed by his play.
Macdonald was mentioned in a book by Meads, entitled Colin Meads, All Black, in a chapter dealing with the greatest players the New Zealander had played with or against
Meads described Macdonald thus: "The Springbok, Andy Macdonald, was probably the most imposing physical specimen we have lined up against, a very good player and one of the great gentlemen of rugby"
Macdonald's Test rugby career came to an end after he returned to his Zambian farm. In a letter to his friends in New Zealand he explained that he had signed a statement that he would confine his future rugby to Zambia. In terms of this statement Macdonald would never play rugby for South Africa or Rhodesia again.
So this great player was confined to turning out for a club in Livingstone, admitting that it was not much fun because the standard was not very high.
Ten days before Christmas in 1966, Macdonald was attacked and severely mauled by a lion which had been taking livestock. After it had been wounded by his first shot, the lion leapt on Macdonald, who managed to kill it with a second shot, but not before it had landed on top of him, biting and clawing in its death throes.
Macdonald was taken to Livingstone hospital where he received more than 400 stitches and had a finger amputated from his right hand. He was able to leave the hospital on Christmas morning.
Meads also remarked in his book: "Andy was badly mauled by a lion when he went home after the 1965 tour — it would be a toss-up as to whose side I'd rather have been on."
A fitting tribute to the strength and courage of one of Rhodesia's finest rugby players, a fine sportsman on and off the field.
- McDERMOTT.
Captain12,893 posts
17 Apr 2020, 11:45
#59
17 Apr 2020, 11:45#59
Jan Ellis
Pro2,680 posts
17 Apr 2020, 12:43
#60
17 Apr 2020, 12:43#60
Martin Pelser...
Captain49,914 posts
17 Apr 2020, 16:10
#61
17 Apr 2020, 16:10#61
The story about Andy Macd onald was written up in the Wall Street Journal after he was killed in the terrorist incident.....quite a long article about his whole life.
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