SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Mar 2015, 18:07#2
At least the update from the commentators is that PSDT was strapped up but up and walking which is a good sign.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Mar 2015, 18:26#3
Our top young locks like Etzebeth, Du Toit and Lood are getting injured too much. If Steph is out for a while it is a huge blow for the Sharks. They pla y the hapless crusties next.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
14 Mar 2015, 18:29#4
Glad Crockett is playing so well for the saders, he has found a run of form.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2015, 18:51#5
This guy is as fragile as Goosen. I feel sorry for him, but if you are going to be a factor you have to stay healthy. Lood is no loss.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Mar 2015, 19:06#6
Dave
Not a serious injury - the guy had his knee strapped and is walking around - will be back next week. H e had a great game before his injury though.
The Dofdoos Mozart must be bitterly disappointed - the bloody fool is ho ping that Du Toit gets injured so he would not be a threat to Ouma Victoria.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Mar 2015, 19:16#7
Both Lood ad Du Toit are three times the lock wee victoria is.
Etzebeth also got injured again. Not serious I believe. Need to make sure conditioning is right.
Wee matfield never does any physical work hence he is not as risk. Bwahahahahahaha
BObobbok...
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BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
14 Mar 2015, 21:12#8
Yet another reason to keep mighty Matfield in the frame .
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Mar 2015, 03:31#9
Yep.....Matfield is durable and smart.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2015, 06:25#10
No comments needed - somebody that does bugger-all in Tight phases of the game and put in a few weak tackles is not subject to injury as much as hardworking players are.
Two minor injuries on two players and Mozart shouts hurrah - that is to the advantage of Ouma Victoria Matfield - so the players concerned must be eliminated and the totally below par Matfield be played. What a joke - the bugger is as useless in thinking than his hero Ouma Victoria Matfield is in playing rugby.
JWJust_win
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JWJust_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Mar 2015, 09:15#11
He's a good player & I hope to see him up against Retallick & Whitelock.
BObobbok...
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BObobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Mar 2015, 09:39#12
How can anyone even think of getting rid of Matfield when these huge young talented oaks keep falling over ? Stop talking about replacing him with players who can barely remain out of the sick bay .
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2015, 13:39#13
Blobbok
I would rather have the players in the sick bay playing - then have a passenger on the field of play. Matfield is bad news for the Springbok team - end of my story.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2015, 13:49#14
Matfield must be the most durable guy to ever play the game.....has he ever been injured?
16 Mar 2015, 16:33#15
Young bucks are being pushed too hard too early. The list of players injured when they are 20, 21, 22 keeps growing and with every injury not only is some athleticism and future potential sapped but the risk of re-injury is increased.
Muscle mass and strength gains throughout the 20's and peaks in the early 30's, so even though some of the explosiveness and agility by that time has begun to wane, the older players are naturally bigger, stronger and more capable of absorbing the punishment.
Its long past time for World Rugby to step in and set protocols in place for player management and acquisition by the professional teams. One of the steps should be to mandate that these young guys play at least 3 or 4 years of varsity rugby exclusively before allowing them to be eligible for professional leagues. Would give the players time to mature and strengthen against players their peers. Another step would be to require a period of domestic league service before allowing "free agency" to the player. To my mind it would solve a lot of problems and do a lot of good to the second tier nations whose best players are plucked early and the local rugby suffers. Argentina and the PI nations come to mind.
16 Mar 2015, 16:40#16
That will never happen oimatey! There is too much money involved, and your suggestion would simply not make financial sense to the professional teams. The earlier the players start playing for the clubs, the earlier the clubs can reap the rewards, end of story.
It would not surprise me if kids started leaving school before completing matric to pursue professional careers.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2015, 16:44#17
oimstey
Although I agree with you about what you wrote - I think your time lines are out. The peak performance age of rugby players are from 26 to 29 years of age. Thereafter they go into decline and the decline is getting momentum as they get older.
If it is not injuries that hammer over 30 players - it is an decline in physical conditioning, speed and application that cause a serious decline in player performances.
It is normally by 32 years of age that decline in performances got the better of players and they became really problematic if kept in teams.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2015, 17:51#18
Matey these kids put on so much muscle mass so quickly, they seem very vulnerable. I agree with your views but Bloo is probably right, the money won't let it happen. So it is up to the coaches to pace these chaps, again, not likely to happen.
So we will have surgically enhanced androids playing the game, only rested when they are recovering from surgery....but then they are likely to add even more muscle mass in that interlude.
The only way this would change is to make the game radically different and more open. You don't see muscle bound kids playing sevens.
16 Mar 2015, 18:09#20
bluebok - agreed it is probably a pipe dream, and perhaps World Rugby is too influenced by the professional teams for them to do what is best for players and for the game overall. Otherwise there is no one else who will mandate changes. The players union is weak. The motivation should be to produce a robust, vibrant organizational structural that would look at for the interests of players, domestic/international leagues and the professional teams.
clevermike - my comments about players in their 30's were only related to their size and strength, not their overall athletic or rugby ability. Certainly athletically they are at their prime in their late 20's where the combination of their strength and agility/explosiveness is at its highest level. Point is that we are asking a lot of our young guys who are still growing and gaining strength to play a full 80 minutes in a very long season (S14, intl's, CC) against fully matured men and not get injured. Then you have guys like Kolbe doing double time in the Sevens when they should be resting.
The list of young rugby players - guys who are playing professionally when they are 19-23 - whose careers are cut short or underperform due to injury or off the field issues is far longer than those who made it.
F Steyn is a great example. He clearly wasn't ready emotionally/psychologically (look at his weight gain) has suffered significant injuries and is now carrying a lingering injury he will never be rid of. At 27 years old he should be in his prime and I would suggest that if he had been managed properly and allowed to mature and grow more normally both as a rugby player and a person he would have been a game changing type of player.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2015, 19:09#21
He is a chap with a relatively light frame. Look at the width of his shoulders, no Etzebeth or Willemse. He should probably have played a few years as a blind side flank at 110 kgs which is probably still above his natural weight. That's just my view so don't have a conniption.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Mar 2015, 19:24#22
Balls as per normal from the no 1 BS spreader on this site. Du Toit is not physically deficient like Matfield is. However, he is not a person with a small frame as this village idiot state he is. But the BS spreader can see on TV what he thinks a player looks like and then make up his mind that he is slow, weak etc. What a joke.
16 Mar 2015, 20:09#24
22 years old and now two serious injuries to different parts of his body after less than a quarter of the games in consecutive seasons. Something has to change if he wants a long successful career.
16 Mar 2015, 20:42#26
Bigger is not always better. There is an optimum weight.
Research LeVeon Bell, running back for the Steelers, lost 20 pounds in the off-season, found more athleticism as a result and had one of the best years ever in perhaps the most physically demanding position in all of sports.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Mar 2015, 20:54#27
Well I don't think Steph is inherently a big man. He has relatively thin wrists and narrow shoulders. Certainly he is well muscled, but his frame looks much lighter than say Schalk Burger. The stronger he makes himself the more torque he exerts on his ligaments, which aren't getting any stronger.
Back in my consulting days we had a chap working with us who was a defensive lineman and had played in the Rose Bowl. He looked as if his inner body had shrunk leaving his body loosely fleshed. I'm sure in those days he took steroids.
This direction in sports is truly an abomination. One of the reasons I admire Matfield is he has never tried to bulk up, but found a way to use his natural athleticism to make him the best lock of this century so far.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Mar 2015, 07:14#28
Matfield is not a big man, He has thin wrists and narrower shoulders than any modern lock with a waif-like body and is as useless as they come as a lock in tight 5 play - yet Mozart is talking about Du Toit's frame. Have a look at my avatar and tell me where the thin shoulders BS comes from or check up any other photo of his.
Mozart's dearest wish has been answered - the specialist has confirmed that Du Toit will be out of the WC. The idiot is talking about thin wrists and shoulders - whilst the two serious injuries have both been to his knee. So his knee now determines the size of his shoulder and his wrists? One wonders how bloody idiotic Mozart can get. What an absolute bloody fool he is.
17 Mar 2015, 11:04#29
This is the one big difference between the starts of the careers of Matfield and PSDT.
Matfield's first CC game at age 22.PSDT's first CC game at age 20.
Matfield's first Super Rugby game at age 22.PSDT's first Super Rugby game at age 20.
Matfield's first Bok Cap at age 24.PSDT's first Bok Cap at age 21.
PSDT was rushed into "big" rugby too soon. Two years maybe?
Two years later could eventually lead to ............. what?...........Five+ years longer? Who knows?
Now, reconsider Oimatey's posts and you would probably see the truth in what he was saying.
