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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Jul 2013, 13:43
#41
15 Jul 2013, 13:43#41

Hang on for a moment. Why would you not discuss that in the open? Just saying that it is in another forum does not help if we do not know which one it is or have access to it.

 

My opinion is that the whole white/black debate has become somewhat irrelevant. The question should not be about closing the economical disparity between White and Black. It should be about the disparity between rich and poor. The Lorenz-curve for South Africa has always been skewed, but IMO it has probably become worse in the last 20 years.

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
15 Jul 2013, 13:56
#42
15 Jul 2013, 13:56#42

Mandela's speech when he was released in 1994

 

Today the majority of South Africans, black and white, recognise that apartheid has no future. It has to be ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. The mass campaign of defiance and other actions of our organisation and people can only culminate in the establishment of democracy. The destruction caused by apartheid on our sub-continent is in- calculable. The fabric of family life of millions of my people has been shattered. Millions are homeless and unemployed. Our economy lies in ruins and our people are embroiled in political strife. Our resort to the armed struggle in 1960 with the formation of the military wing of the ANC, Umkhonto we Sizwe, was a purely defensive action against the violence of apartheid. The factors which necessitated the armed struggle still exist today. We have no option but to continue. We express the hope that a climate conducive to a negotiated settlement will be created soon so that there may no longer be the need for the armed struggle. 

http://www.anc.org.za/show.php?id=4520

 

Since the end of apartheid in 1994, over 300,000 people have been murdered in South Africa 

 

It was never called off and the ANC military wing is still active today. 

 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jul 2013, 15:57
#43
15 Jul 2013, 15:57#43
Well Vlag, while I do not condone the targeting of woman and children, the sad reality of war is that woman and children are affected. If you are going to take up an armed struggle, the idea is to hit where it hurts - that's the nature of the beast. To achieve a result you need to cause a reaction. Being an angry oppressed black man back in the day, would have had man directing that anger at white people in general and in particular innocent woman and children. There is nothing pleasant in that, but when was war a pleasant and measured beast? Given the circumstances of the oppressed, I don't believe they had anything to be sorry about. They had to fight to achieve a result, innocent people fell along the way. Did England apologise to Germany for all the innocent Germans who were killed in the Wars and vise versa
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Jul 2013, 17:59
#44
15 Jul 2013, 17:59#44

So. Would it be OK if an angry oppressed white man tike up arms in 2013. I mean, that is the way I understand it from what you are saying, nad this confirms it:

 

Quotes tagged as "oppression" (showing 1-30 of 3,000) “When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.” 
Nelson Mandela
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