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Greatest Ever Springbok Flyhalves

Started by Augenöffner36 REPLIES3,792 VIEWS· 03 Apr 2020, 06:14
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 06:14
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03 Apr 2020, 06:14#1

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 06:56
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03 Apr 2020, 06:56#2

I have never been a great fan of Stransky the person, but the player was actually a very underrated player. I don't hear his name much outside of the drop goal in the '95 World Cup final. In my opinion, he was vastly superior to the grossly overrated Lem. As a runner and distributor, he was a great Bok. 

Butch James is the most talented Bok 10 I have ever seen. His performance in the 2001 All Black test in Dunedin remains a real highlight. It was a pitiful Bok side that was blown away, but he still managed to standout and cause New Zealand problems. Such a pity that injuries blighted so much of his career. Jake said that Butch was always his preferred option, but through injury, he didn't feature for Jake until the 2006 Tri Nations. For me, Butch is #1.

Morne has his critics, but remains a truly great Bok. His credentials are unmatched by any other Bok 10. He is the most successful South African 10 of all time, and his points per test remain elite. A proven match-winner. Could launch a pin-point bullet pass off either hand and was a very solid defender. We really miss the ability to read play and distribute at 10. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2020, 07:17
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03 Apr 2020, 07:17#3
Morne was one of the worst flyhalfs I have ever seen,  He had one ability and that was kicking at goal.   His kicking out of hand was mere possession turnovers - nothing strategic at all - and he was poor as a backline pivot.   The fact is he was a kicker - not a flyhalf,
In the end even Meyer gave up on him.  Once dropped from the team in 2012 after disastrous performances and  twice dropped in 2014 being even worse than in 2012.   Was then on holiday in England in the  2015 WC - he was one of the unplayables,  Was a disaster when Coetzee brought him back for two tests,   He went on 2013 to play for Stade Francais - where he became their bench flyhalf.   
A poor flyhalf and Idiot Speaker calls him a Springbok great,   What a joke.      
  
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:27
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03 Apr 2020, 16:27#4

Briers, Bosch and James.  

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:33
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03 Apr 2020, 16:33#5
Morne is fucking useless case closed Hell even Jannie de Beer and Koen were better and they were kak
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:35
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03 Apr 2020, 16:35#6
Best 10’s in my time Naas, Stransky, Hennie le Roux, Honnibal, Butch and Pollard
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 00:45
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04 Apr 2020, 00:45#7

The last successful attacking Bok backline was under Meyer, and featured Morne. The disasters only started occurring as Lambie, Reinach, Damian, Coetzee, Lood, Kriel et al filtered into the side. Goosen was there on the EOYT of 2014. Morne is an all-time great. His defence stats are unreal, his points per test were immense, he has many great moments in the most successful career any South African 10 has ever had. I rate Butch the most talented 10, but Morne was the most successful, and a pretty rounded player. That isn't an opinion, that's an irrefutable fact. 

Pollard is a very good player. Best ever? Not yet. He is just starting to blossom. Lets see in another five years. 

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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Apr 2020, 09:37
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04 Apr 2020, 09:37#8

Keith Oxlee, Joel Stransky, Butch James.

Hahaha all went to my old school...called "The Flyhalf Factory"

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 13:27
#9
04 Apr 2020, 13:27#9

Which school was that Chabal? 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Apr 2020, 15:11
#10
04 Apr 2020, 15:11#10

Morne an attacking flyhalf - LMAO.

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SebPro2,680 posts
04 Apr 2020, 15:39
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04 Apr 2020, 15:39#11

You don't need to be facetious Organgrinder, you should know as you know all things about rugby or else you can look it up....not so ol Maaik,..Bahahahahahaha.

Incidentally, we also had a "Factory" reject Peter Grant. Big things were expected of him but playing for the Stompies was his downfall...joining that circus down south led to his doom. He eventually up somewhere in Australia, I think for the other doomed side, Western Force.

Peter was talented but I think he made the wrong moves (no pun intended) and was a trifle unlucky.

My old school is about as popular as a pork chop in Jerusalem here on this forum as it was amongst the other competing schools in my day, mainly due to jealousy.

However the school standards have gone way down, the only Bok I'm aware of is Jesse Kriel.


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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
04 Apr 2020, 15:41
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04 Apr 2020, 15:41#12

Jeepers Chabal those fields at Maritzburg College were like concrete.

I've heard a lot about Bennie Osler who:- was an autocratic genius who totally dominated South African rugby between 1925 and 1936.

But more up to date would be Die Mol van Ammosal“    Piet Visagie.

Here he is scoring against the Wallabies in the 2nd test 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TaTT7KED7E





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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Apr 2020, 21:58
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04 Apr 2020, 21:58#13

Goosen.......hahaha!

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Apr 2020, 22:03
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04 Apr 2020, 22:03#14

Francois Steyn should have been a great Springbok flyhalf, demonstrated by the brilliant Shark streak in 2014 with Frans  at 10. Hands, defence, offloading and the king of boots. Sadly a few charge downs early in his career when Frans was looking to launch a bomb convinced our rugby intelligentsia that he couldn’t play at 10.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Apr 2020, 22:42
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04 Apr 2020, 22:42#15

Naas was the best. Pollard is underrated. He is a complete flyhalf.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Apr 2020, 23:54
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04 Apr 2020, 23:54#16

 Fat Fransie too slow in motion and slow in thinking - not good enough to be a flyhalf.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Apr 2020, 00:00
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05 Apr 2020, 00:00#17

Frans is one of the best on field leaders South Africa has ever produced. Ende. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Apr 2020, 00:26
#18
05 Apr 2020, 00:26#18

Forget about Wanker, Augie......he was convinced Goosen was better than Pollard. A fake news dupe.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Apr 2020, 00:34
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05 Apr 2020, 00:34#19
Wasn't Swiel also better than Pollard? 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Apr 2020, 06:22
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05 Apr 2020, 06:22#20

Yep Swiel was supposedly the kind of ‘thinking’ flyhalf   Wanker favours.

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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
05 Apr 2020, 12:45
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05 Apr 2020, 12:45#21
It really goes to show that we've struggled in this position despite the huge player base and rugby tradition that we have. Much like France we play off our scrumhalf.
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SebPro2,680 posts
05 Apr 2020, 13:31
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05 Apr 2020, 13:31#22

Tim Swiel was an outstanding school rugby player for Bishops and SA Schools and there is absolutely no disgrace for making wrong predictions as to his future, unless we belong to some sort of Prophet/Soothsaying Academy where we get marks and kudos for future predictions.

It's rather like choosing racehorses at Auctions/Sales to purchase, sometimes you get big surprises and sometimes huge disappointments.

Not everybody can be be a Dan Carter.

Timo at one stage looked very promising.

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro803 posts
05 Apr 2020, 13:51
#23
05 Apr 2020, 13:51#23

If you go on results:

Honiball

Stransky

de Beer

Butch

Pollard

Morne

...the rest


Based on opinion:

Honiball

Butch

Pollard

...the res t


Honiball put on a show on both defense and attack. The only "supposed" average part of his game was his kicking off the tee, though to mind, he didn't disappoint often.


I feel that Pollard is heading somewhere special. He just needs to work on the accuracy of his passing. Watching some recent highlights, i'vr noticed how often his passes are either too high, too far in front or behind.

But he's still very young. I'm sure he'll only improve.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
05 Apr 2020, 15:11
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05 Apr 2020, 15:11#24

Naas was the greatest. A rugby genius. But it takes one to know one! 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Apr 2020, 17:08
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05 Apr 2020, 17:08#25

This generation of players have been blighted by the substandard Rugby played by Super rugby. The emphasis is on running, and that against a confusing regressing standards of defence. Our halfbacks can't pass. They excel at short range passes to pods. They would never survive in the pre ELV era. Pollard's passing had come a long way, it was why I was cautious about him in 2014 and 2015. My words were that if we were going to take him over Morné in 2014, we needed to back him completely and stick with him no matter what. I also said that we needed Morné on the bench just in case he finds himself in trouble. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Apr 2020, 19:15
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05 Apr 2020, 19:15#26
Frans Steyn was a crap 10, his hand to foot was too slow - often got charged down His best spot was 12 without doubt Pollard is our best 10 in my books - he tops the list
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
06 Apr 2020, 00:51
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06 Apr 2020, 00:51#27

Frans Steyn was a rubbish 10 because he got charged down a lot...

Patricia Lambie


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2020, 03:53
#28
06 Apr 2020, 03:53#28

LMAO - Morne and Steyn at flyhalf - reason for the Springbok malady under Meyer.   He gave up early iro of Fransie and never about Morne.  LMAO  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2020, 03:53
#29
06 Apr 2020, 03:53#29

LMAO - Morne and Steyn at flyhalf - reason for the Springbok malady under Meyer.   He gave up early iro of Fransie and never about Morne.  LMAO  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
06 Apr 2020, 04:19
#30
06 Apr 2020, 04:19#30

Frans never played flyhalf under Meyer, just as Morne didn't play under Jake. you really are not a student of the game Dame Lügnerin. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2020, 10:40
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06 Apr 2020, 10:40#31

You really are a madman.  Fatso was the flyhalf in the 2011 quarterfinal and full back in two prior  games in that series.   We all now that De Villiers was supposed  to have been the coach in 2011. so why the madness about White and Meyer,   Both coaches flopped badly in their careers as coaches since their Springbok coaching stints and there is no chance that Meyer will coach anything bar perhaps a school team in future,   White will now go to the Bulls where he will have to report to Erasmus and the private owners of the franchise through Brits - so we will see whether he would be successful under proper management.    Maybe White will bring Myer in as som e sort of assistant coach responsible for braais after games.           

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 04:13
#32
07 Apr 2020, 04:13#32

No Fatso played at center and was given up on by Meyer after his disastrous performances in 5012 and then from 2013 onwards as center,     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 05:01
#33
07 Apr 2020, 05:01#33

What on earth are you talking about? Frans played at 15 in the opening game against Wales. Then played 12 until he was injured against Samoa. He didn't play 10 at any point in 2011. In fact, he last played 10 for the Boks in the game against Italy in 2008. Very confused you are. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 10:21
#34
07 Apr 2020, 10:21#34

I saw a 10 Steyn and thought it may be Fatso - since laying Morne in such circumstances would be looking for trouble.  Morne  was in the quarterfinal a disaster as expected as being normal in his case,  Read my explanation elsewhere cutting down your BS totally,   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 14:37
#35
07 Apr 2020, 14:37#35

You confused Frans for Morné? This raises all kinds of questions. You simply cannot be taken seriously. One wonders what you saw when you thought Jake dropped Morné for the 2007 WC! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Apr 2020, 22:40
#36
07 Apr 2020, 22:40#36

Where was that last one dimness?

Both Morne and when he did play at flyhalf was dead losses at flyhalf anyway, LO L 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
07 Apr 2020, 23:45
#37
07 Apr 2020, 23:45#37

LOL, Losing Old Liar. At least you signed that tripe off correctly. 

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