Pro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 06:18
#1
03 Apr 2020, 06:18#1
Greatest Ever Springbok No. 8s
Started by Augenöffner28 REPLIES936 VIEWS· 03 Apr 2020, 06:18
Pro3,183 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:36
#2
03 Apr 2020, 16:36#2
H Muller, T Bedford, M Andrews and Skinstad.
Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:37
#3
03 Apr 2020, 16:37#3
In my time Morne du Plessis, Bobby, Big Joe and Vermeulen
Captain49,914 posts
03 Apr 2020, 16:41
#4
03 Apr 2020, 16:41#4
Let’s not forget Doug Hopwood.
Captain26,388 posts
03 Apr 2020, 18:25
#5
03 Apr 2020, 18:25#5
"In my time Morne du Plessis, Bobby and Vermeulen"
Agreed!
Pro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 19:24
#6
03 Apr 2020, 19:24#6
We have some great options here. Duane at his peak was simply unstoppable. But Big Joe? He was something else, vastly superior to Skinstad. What of Danie Rossouw? Watching him carry the entire England midfield on his back through their 22 for a try was one of the single greatest moments from a Bok forward, that really got our game going in that 2008 encounter - we were looking iffy before that try. Schalk could have been an outstanding 8 too. What about Teichmann? This brings back memories, the likes of Andre Vos. I miss the mid to late 90s, great rugby times.
Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 20:20
#7
03 Apr 2020, 20:20#7
Joe vastly superior to Bobby - what utter shit
Geez Aug you really are fucking rugby ignorant
Big Joe was good but Bobby was simply sublime
Pro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 20:30
#8
03 Apr 2020, 20:30#8
Big Joe was a better player in every way. Skinstad will forever be the mistake that help diminish our 99 WC. That's his legacy.
Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 20:43
#9
03 Apr 2020, 20:43#9
As I said you are rugby ignorant
Pro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 20:57
#10
03 Apr 2020, 20:57#10
Mallett said it himself. Skinstad was the greatest regret of his coaching career. That's surely not the stuff of an all time great. Skinstad was a candyfloss addition to the team. A little candy for the casuals.
Captain30,741 posts
03 Apr 2020, 21:25
#11
03 Apr 2020, 21:25#11
Don’t lie where and when did Mallet ever say that - bullshit
Skinstad was twice the player Teichman was - Mallett made the obvious call
Pro6,974 posts
03 Apr 2020, 21:58
#12
03 Apr 2020, 21:58#12
Coach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2020, 22:34
#13
03 Apr 2020, 22:34#13
AO
That deals with Teichmann - idiot, Mallett inherited a top squad from Carel du Plessis. When eh had to start replacing players he fucked up royally and then left the coaching job.
He buggered up himself by getting rid of Teichmann - and he admitted that himself, Skinstad , was one of the best players I have ever seen playing at loosie. He really was a top class loosie with very good ball skills and a step and pace, That is where he was better than the other quasi locks - slow and not food enough in ball skills.
His work rate was on par with P-S du Toit = the greatest player in this world this year,
Coach57,555 posts
03 Apr 2020, 22:34
#14
03 Apr 2020, 22:34#14
AO
That deals with Teichmann - idiot, Mallett inherited a top squad from Carel du Plessis. When eh had to start replacing players he fucked up royally and then left the coaching job.
He buggered up himself by getting rid of Teichmann - and he admitted that himself, Skinstad , was one of the best players I have ever seen playing at loosie. He really was a top class loosie with very good ball skills and a step and pace, That is where he was better than the other quasi locks - slow and not food enough in ball skills.
His work rate was on par with P-S du Toit = the greatest player in this world this year,
sharkbok
Captain23,235 posts
Captain23,235 posts
03 Apr 2020, 22:56
#15
03 Apr 2020, 22:56#15
Bob Skinstad was injured when he went to 1999 World Cup, and probably should not have been in the squad on this basis. All he did was made his injury worse, and he never got back to the level he was in 1997-1999- albeit he was still a world-class player for years after.
Teichman was an exceptional player, more of the traditional type of SA player. He would run through a brick wall for this team, and you want that in your squad. Teichman also scored lots of tries, but more through grit and determination with half of the opposing team on his back after failed tackle attempts to pull him down.
However, Skinstad had x-factor beyond anything the world has ever seen. The speed and attacking ability of a wing, the pass of a scrumhalf and the playmaking ability and power of a centre like Sonny Bill Williams. Some of his first matches off the bench he was sublime, someone that could turn games on their head and take victory out of the ashes.
Teichman should have been on the bench and promoted to a starting position once it was clear Bobby was too injured to play. Or if they have both been fit, one of them could have played at 7 to get them both onto the field. Given Skinstad had lots of experience at 7, this was an option.
The way Notshe is playing for the Sharks this year is a bit like Skinstad, but there was only ever one Skinstad. It was unfortunate that he injured his knee in a car accident, and thereafter he was also a bit injury prone. Also, the Afrikaans players from inland appeared to try to injure him in the Currie Cup and SuperRugby. I think one of them broke his collar bone intentionally in a Currie Cup match.
The inlander Afrikaans hated Skinstad with a passion. Both rugby fans and rugby players.
Some of the Afrikaans players including Rassie did not like Skinstad, and it created a division in the team. They were jealous of his media attention. They saw Rassie as the glory boy taking credit for the efforts of the other forwards.
His only weakness was if the forwards were losing, he was less effective as he did not have the physicality of a Teichman, Andre Venter or Vermuelen on defence, and he did not compete at the breakdown. He would stand very loose - often at second or third receiver and was less involved when the opposition team were dominating possession. Although sometimes bringing him off the bench once the game had opened up after 50 minutes, and taking Andre Venter off was when he was most effective. Start with a bruiser, then bring on skill.
Dropping Teichman was done for petty reasons by Mallet. He wanted to remove the captain so he could dictate to the team. He did not like the influence that Teichmann had over his teammates. Teichman asked for a rest at the start of the 1999 Super Rugby tournament, but Mallet was having none of it. He got overplayed, and his form dipped a bit. Had be got the chance to recharge his batteries he could have peaked for the world cup.
I remember Teichmann said that whenever he saw Mallet, it was Bobby this, Bobby that.
Teichman was an exceptional player, more of the traditional type of SA player. He would run through a brick wall for this team, and you want that in your squad. Teichman also scored lots of tries, but more through grit and determination with half of the opposing team on his back after failed tackle attempts to pull him down.
However, Skinstad had x-factor beyond anything the world has ever seen. The speed and attacking ability of a wing, the pass of a scrumhalf and the playmaking ability and power of a centre like Sonny Bill Williams. Some of his first matches off the bench he was sublime, someone that could turn games on their head and take victory out of the ashes.
Teichman should have been on the bench and promoted to a starting position once it was clear Bobby was too injured to play. Or if they have both been fit, one of them could have played at 7 to get them both onto the field. Given Skinstad had lots of experience at 7, this was an option.
The way Notshe is playing for the Sharks this year is a bit like Skinstad, but there was only ever one Skinstad. It was unfortunate that he injured his knee in a car accident, and thereafter he was also a bit injury prone. Also, the Afrikaans players from inland appeared to try to injure him in the Currie Cup and SuperRugby. I think one of them broke his collar bone intentionally in a Currie Cup match.
The inlander Afrikaans hated Skinstad with a passion. Both rugby fans and rugby players.
Some of the Afrikaans players including Rassie did not like Skinstad, and it created a division in the team. They were jealous of his media attention. They saw Rassie as the glory boy taking credit for the efforts of the other forwards.
His only weakness was if the forwards were losing, he was less effective as he did not have the physicality of a Teichman, Andre Venter or Vermuelen on defence, and he did not compete at the breakdown. He would stand very loose - often at second or third receiver and was less involved when the opposition team were dominating possession. Although sometimes bringing him off the bench once the game had opened up after 50 minutes, and taking Andre Venter off was when he was most effective. Start with a bruiser, then bring on skill.
Dropping Teichman was done for petty reasons by Mallet. He wanted to remove the captain so he could dictate to the team. He did not like the influence that Teichmann had over his teammates. Teichman asked for a rest at the start of the 1999 Super Rugby tournament, but Mallet was having none of it. He got overplayed, and his form dipped a bit. Had be got the chance to recharge his batteries he could have peaked for the world cup.
I remember Teichmann said that whenever he saw Mallet, it was Bobby this, Bobby that.
Pro2,680 posts
04 Apr 2020, 09:21
#16
04 Apr 2020, 09:21#16
Hennie (Wi ndhond) Muller, Gary Teichmann, Tommy Bedford, Doug Hopwood.
Captain30,741 posts
04 Apr 2020, 11:16
#17
04 Apr 2020, 11:16#17
Exactly Aug you dumb lying prick - at no point does Mallett ever say his biggest regret was including SA’s best ever 8 in Bobby
His only regret was excluding Teichman for the obvious reason it polarised the squad and Bobby was also injured
But such was Bobby’s ability, Mallet chose to select an injured Skinstad over a fit Teichman because Bob was that bloody good
One only has to watch the YouTube highlights of Bobby vs the highlights of Big Joe to evidence that Bob was more gifted and let me tell you Big Joe was bloody gifted
Pro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 13:17
#18
04 Apr 2020, 13:17#18
Lie? I didn't lie. Big Joe was the better player. Skinstad was not one of the best ever.
Captain30,741 posts
04 Apr 2020, 16:39
#19
04 Apr 2020, 16:39#19
Yes you were lying
Bob was the best 8 we have ever had
Joe was good but Bob was better
The highlights prove that
Pro2,471 posts
04 Apr 2020, 18:59
#20
04 Apr 2020, 18:59#20
Duane has the bigger impact on winning matches when compared to all before him.
Captain26,388 posts
04 Apr 2020, 19:07
#21
04 Apr 2020, 19:07#21
"Let’s not forget Doug Hopwood"
Who?
Skinstat had probably the best unrealized potential...Duane should have been POTY atleast once. Great player..."Thor" says it all.
Pro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 19:10
#22
04 Apr 2020, 19:10#22
I am lying, yet Meyer did in fact say that Bob was his only regret in his career - a sentiment he has expressed several times since. Oh dear, poor Safesex caught with his pants down yet again. The early mouth catches the clenched fist?
Pro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 19:13
#23
04 Apr 2020, 19:13#23
Shezza, you are finally seeing sense. Duane, in his prime is the best. To think that Skinstad could even match 40% of what Thor brought to the table is laughable. The excuse for Bob is that he was injured in 1999. What of injured Thor? Still one of those players that brings intangibles to the table, much like Joost. Or Du Preez, who played through the entire 2009 campaign with a busted shoulder which required injections every week to minimize inflammation. An injury so severe that it kept him out of the 2010 season. Bob was soft in a lot of ways, a glamour boy. Eye candy. Not a real warrior, and certainly not best ever. We can list 10 8s that were better than Bob, easily.
Captain26,388 posts
04 Apr 2020, 19:22
#24
04 Apr 2020, 19:22#24
You could probably have played Bob at 12 in TWC final and got away with it. Not a grinder like Thor, but he brought a special set of skills to the table.
If I had a choice between both in their prime, I'd pick Bobby at 8 and Duane at 7...Brussouw at 6...
Captain30,741 posts
04 Apr 2020, 20:01
#25
04 Apr 2020, 20:01#25
No Aug you lying prick - Mallett NEVER said he regretted selecting Skinstad
Pro6,974 posts
04 Apr 2020, 20:07
#26
04 Apr 2020, 20:07#26
Good god Saffy, it was posted right before your dulled eyes! Talk about denial!
Captain30,741 posts
05 Apr 2020, 19:30
#27
05 Apr 2020, 19:30#27
You liar
He regretted leaving Teichman out you lying prick
He said nothing of the sort about Bob
Pro6,974 posts
05 Apr 2020, 19:52
#28
05 Apr 2020, 19:52#28
I regret dropping Teichmann to accomodate Bobby.
What does that mean? Bobby was a regret. Why? Because in hindsight, Teichmann was the better option.
How can you be this pig headed Saffy? Seriously. Even for you, this is ridiculous.
Captain30,741 posts
05 Apr 2020, 19:55
#29
05 Apr 2020, 19:55#29
No he never said that you liar
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