Greeting to all the Mamparas posting on the Ruckers lunatic asylum

It's hilarious Mozzuetard just keeps insisting he is right about Rassie and Du Toit etc.

It's unbelievable what an overblown ego will do to a person. He just can't admit he made two of the biggest blunders ever witnessed on this board.

No matter what Rassie does this very odd fellow will find some angle why Rassie got it wrong. His bias against Rassie and the process tackler have reached insane levels.

What is the cure? You can't reason with this level of bigotry as evidence and fact don't matter.

Bye the way the Rassie approach to developing the Boks style of play was spot in.

Go back to basics and play to traditional Bok strengths. Once those are in place move on to build other skills and find the players who suit the upgraded paying style.

Rassie is the most innovative coach the Boks have every had and time has now proved him to be the greatest.

We all wish Mozzietard a miraculous recovery.

Moz’s anti Rassie hole is too deep

There is no comeback - but it is a source of head shaking bewilderment and humour

Its down to luck

Mr Bean, the only thing more overblown than your rant is your ego. Mozart has been right more often than you’ve been coherent. You call him biased, yet your whole argument is one long tantrum because you can’t handle that Rassie and Du Toit aren’t the flawless saints in your imagination. Projection much?

Lol...Card and Moz, you're full of it...nobody is saying Rassie is a saint or flawless and nobody is saying there was no luck involved in our 2 RWC victories...we're just laughing at your assertion that it was all down to luck and a good player talent pool with no coaching skill at all...a totally ridiculous point of view BTW...what's actually amazing is not the fact that you guys believe this BS...the amazing thing is that you actually convinced a few other people to join in this foolishness...free thinking indeed free to think foolish nonsense and having the confidence to spread the foolishness across the interwebs...

Who said it was all down to luck. It was also down to the worst Aussie and NZ teams we have faced since re-admission. That’s not even up for debate. And also due to our best squad of players ever…..30 years ago Kolbe, Am, Mapimpi, Arendse, Sacha, Ox, Bongi, Willemse wouldn’t have been available.

If Schmidt was the Bok coach over this period we would have won every match Dr Lucky won….not reliant on Pollard to kick every kick.

The logic the Erastistas use is the team won, so the coach has to be a genius. Smarter people realize winning has to do with the players and the opposition, with the coach as a distant third.

Want some proof….what international club tournament did Lucky win. Zip he is zero in 8 attempts. Closest he came was at Muster in the Pro 12 final, but …

’Despite going into the final favorites, Munster were convincingly beaten by the Scarlets in the final, losing 46–22 at the Aviva Stadium.’. If that was all up to the coach, the Scarlets had a better one.

So if he is a coaching genius and that’s the most important factor how come he led strong teams to 4 international knockouts, two semis and two finals and lost every one of them. Hopefully that educates you deluded chaps a bit.

Moz, the juxtaposition of concepts is far beyond Dave's reach.

Adding points for coaching and subtracting points for fortunate circumstances just isn't something Dawie is capable of.

He acts like the two recent Bok victories are no more convincing than the 1 point wins in the WC. Honestly, I actually don't think he's acting. He's really that thick.

We had stampkar at Eden Park - Rassie's way and what he thought was his most succesful strategy with his best team, and it didn't work. In Wellington we had more of what a lot of us here have been calling for. It worked. It worked really well.

My feeling is that the score in the second game was a much closer representation of the quality of personnel delta between us and the ABs...though slightly exaggerated.

Davie acts like people would still be calling it luck had the Boks consistently won their WC games by 20 points or more.

He can't afford to actually look at what Esterhuizen did against the ABs. How he made two scores and got one for himself too. If he did look, and he did pay attention, he would have seen things happening that could have happened in the last World Cup but didn't because stampkar was, until three weeks ago, still erroneously believed to be our best mode of victory.

For me, talent finally won the argument. It's now basically impossible for anyone to look at the Boks and still believe that ignoring the backs is the best way for us to play.

On that note, Willemse has really lived up to my hopes. His performance in Wellington was somewhat of a watershed moment for the Boks. It felt like all the pressure was on him to show that the backs could take more calculated risks and that stampkar wasn't the way any longer. Yes, others did well in that game, and since, but I feel like it's that performance from Willemse that inspired what we've seen since. Rassie obviously got it wrong at Eden Park, and what better way for the non-stamkar crowd to make their argument than to bail him out, in a must win game, away from home and against the ABs. And I do honestly feel like it was Willemse that absorbed more of that pressure than anybody else, and then produced sheer brilliance in response.

The silence of the tomb as the Erastistas realize their man is zero for 8 in international club competitions including 4 failures in knockouts. Does 3 one point victories sound a bit more lucky now….hahaha!

Plum excluding back play as a dimension on which you compete has been incredibly frustrating to watch. The penny didn’t even drop when a basket case Pom team was one stupid kick from their fullback away from taking us out of the WC.

Relative to the 2015 situation I would say the NZ squad is 7 plus points worse and our’s is 5 points better. And we beat a 14 man version of that weaker NZ team by 1 point in 2023 and lost to the better team by 2 points in 2023.

If Dave could add that’s a 9 point better performance under HM. This is the moment for Draad to add depth to the conversation by saying….’we got the cup’ . And for Mike to say ‘Oflark is billshot trading’ . And for Dave to say ‘F off that’s an insult’.

So difficult to train these dopes!

There's an interesting conundrum on the horizon now too.

One where Rassie might have to take a back seat and let the players get on with it.

He's not a back seat guy. So how does a guy like him handle a team that is running scores in all over the place and where there is less reliance on being willing to die for the cause?

Some people can't run successful companies and others are bad at running struggling companies. Let's hope Rassie is good at running successful operations and can sit back and watch the machine operate without perpetually tinkering and trying to outshine them.

Now suddenly the shit is boiling over - there is nothing more weird that what these two idiots goes on about. There celebrations if the Springboks lose today it will be endless.

The real hatred center around their original BS. Mozart is a weirdo and Plum worse, Who had closer ties to developing of Sacha and Willemse than Erasmus, In 2019 Easmus ignored Esterhuizen at center for a long list of reasons and when Kriel was injured Rassie called up the 20 year-old Wilemse to replace Kriel. Sacha's father praised Erasmus that after the fact that Sacha was the under 20 player of the Year and before he started playing for the Stormers -Erasmus phoned Sacha and told him he must be patient and not rush back to playing rugby bcause he had a brillint career in the making.

Mozart - youa ere talking shit on site 99% of the time based on hatred of Easmus and some key plaers he used, Ther hatred of Du Toit started in 2013 when both Dave and I stated that to call up Matffield afyuer his retirtirement and rather look at younger players like Du Toi coming through nd laste ever since, His ahtred of De A llende started in 2014 when Meyer did not call up Steyn when Fourie was not available. In the four years of disaster under Meyer he vaguely criticized him once in a posting,

Plumm is anther issue, Both h im and Mozart spread shit on site because they protray themselves as mhving It is better to not anwer teir stuidity on site and th fact that Mozart' hatred came out in most threeads he participated in. and Mozart claimed in 2015 that he was the best rugby player performance evaluator in the world, becuasse h see deficiencies in players others do not see,

Plum excluding back play as a dimension on which you compete has been incredibly frustrating to watch. The penny didn’t even drop when a basket case Pom team was one stupid kick from their fullback away from taking us out of the WC.

This is typical of the shit Mozart comes up with in 2012 to 2018 whenever anybody criticized Mone Steyn - the worst flyhalf ever Mozart claimed that the kick and chase game ws "Traditional Springbok Rugby" - whatever that B implied, Now he is suddenly a supporter of backline attacking play, The fac is that he neve see backline attacking play uder Erasmus - it just does not happen according to BSters amd when it did and videos posted on site they ignore the evidence and stuck to shit. Moart is just a pure hater - Plm is one that develp[ his dislike of players in dreaming up unbelievable BS.

‘and when Kriel was injured Rassie called up the 20 year-old Wilemse to replace Kriel.’

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Oh dear ….Willemse has played fullback, inside center and flyhalf for the Boks. Kriel has played outside center and right wing.

Does this pompous, dishonest old NAT ever get anything right.

"The silence of the tomb as the Erastistas realize their man is zero for 8 in international club competitions including 4 failures in knockouts. Does 3 one point victories sound a bit more lucky now….hahaha!"

LoL...scraping the barrel here...but the 2 RWCs still count...and the record victories against the Allblacks will remain in the record books...

That’s not even up for debate. And also due to our best squad of players ever…..30 years ago Kolbe, Am, Mapimpi, Arendse, Sacha, Ox, Bongi, Willemse wouldn’t have been available.

You stupid shit - lets go back 10 years ago and see what the situation really is. It was the era of shit coaches Mozart compared with Erasmus. Ten years ago Kolbe, Am and Mapimpi was available - but they only were selected but Coetzee never selected them. His comments about Willemse was stupid beyond limit - In his forst test against Canada he played at center brainfart - since he is such a versatile player Erasmus played him at center, flyhalf and full back.

Meyer nearly ruined Pollard's career and he never played a test match under Coetzee. Reason - Meyer tried to turn Pollard into a thoughtless kicking dummy like Morne Steyn- and Mozart never understod what was happening in his dismal world of thinking disability. Pollard only showed his real abilities under Erasmus - in the case of Erasmus in the 2015 RC and RWC Pollard was in and out of Springbok selection. under Meyer and that was shit supreme. The players were not only available but never used. The two players Mozart praised endlessly was Mostert and Marx- but Meyer never selected them - they were under Ackerman was playing for the Lions - from which team Coetzee and Meyer never used players because they were playing 15man rugby totally beyond Mozart's ability to understand. In the RWC in 2015 Du Preez was brought back from retirement and used against the AB's . In the semi - he handled the ball 52 times of which only 9 balls were passed to Pollard when he had to make relieving kicks. Most of the other passes went to forwards or to De Allende. On the whole in that match both Matftfield and Du Preez were disasters destroying their reputation as players,

The fact is that for Mozart the only real top coach was White and then there were Coetzee whom Mozart now claims he did not right about in stating it would have been better for SARU to retain Coetzee as coach when ARU negotite an agreement with Erasmus.

So lets look at all the Springbok coaches since 2004:-

White

He fucked up royally in both 2006 and 2007 since he never had any usable game plans. He brought Jones in and Jones said when talking to players that he was amazed to find the players knew nothing about backline atatcking play. All White was good in was in doing what Mozart now claims is his statements is the fact with Erasmus - a bloated ego that treaed players as if they were school boys - but test players.

After the disastrouss perfomance of the Springboks in 2006 demands were growing for White's dismissal - White publicly and in his own book asked Mbeki for an interview to prevent his firing claiming that Mbeli was behind his potential firing.

I was a great supporter of White at the time and was most upset about his potential firing and was virulent in support of him on site, That was until I saw in matches in France against some of the weaker teams in the tournament, The specific ones I saw what was missing in total from any game plan - namely the ones against Tonga and Fiji. After that I realized there was something seriously wriong with teams coached by White.

So lets look at Whites career as a coach:-

1. Springboks - he was not considered by SARU for contract rnewal and effecively fired as coach

1. Brumbies - Because White publicly stated he wants to be considered as Wallaby Coach - he resigned as much on the grounds of reasons to be wth his family - which was BS supreme bering in mind that after that he coached the Sharks and from there went to Montpellier and Japan as coach Another case where ego reigned supreme.
2. His contract with Montpellier was also extremely problematic and they would not renew his conract after two years because he was damagaing the team with a style of rugby foreign t French ideas about how the game should be played.
3. He then ended up with coaching of the Sharks, A disaster - he was publicly attacked because his coaching was a disaster without any game plan. He was effectively fired because he had zero game plans and the players rebelled against him because he was treating them like school level players,
4. He then went back to Japan - and then ended up with the Bulls as coach, A ter three years where Whiteball rugby was played - his player recruiting was a disaster despite limitless money was provided by Rupert and Montsepe for player recruitment. After three years he was isolatefd - his assistant coaches did nit een want to be in the coaches box at all and there were another palyer rebellion against him. No game plan and the Bulls despite te millions poured in by the owners. After 3 years of no game plan and no being on speaking terms with his coaching staff and tetng players like shit he was ired by the Bulls,

In real persective a coach with extremely limitd abilitie which caused effectively being fred by SARU, the Sharks, the bulls and a contrat breach with the Brumbie because Australian Rugby and the ret due to him being a coaching disaster,

De Villiers

Snorre initially was supported by the senior players who effectively ran the team and ws just a failure as a coach and that was his end as a coach - nobody wanted them for h iim to coach anything - not even school boys teams.

Meyer

A duplicate of White as to no game plan and no coaching ability. He w fred by Stade Francais becasue he was destroying the club with his coaching disability,

Coetzee

A duplicate of White as to no game plan and no coaching ability. He was fired by his Japan club because he was destroying the club with his coaching disability,

Mozart never stopped his praise song of white and Meyer he only criticized in one posting and in the case he criticized Coetzee a few times and then said Erasmus was a poor coach whom SAU sould never have appointed,

Mozart neve criticized Morne as a limited palyer with one quality namely goal-kicking and not bearing his out-of-hand kicking was BS supreme.

So lookin at the above when it csm to Springbok coaching and player usage the shit was always the case with

Erasmus's predecessors whos ince 2008 never wwon a singe trophy and then the strings fo trophies won by the Springboks since Erasmus became coach.

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The ultimate sign of desperation and clutching at straws is when the best you can offer is that Rassie’s unparalleled achievements as a Bok coach are down to luck and discrediting the opposition

Whats next - Rassie has a limp?

Pathetic, embarrassing and most of all fucking childish - sad excuses for Bok supporters

You anti Rassie clowns should be ashamed of yourselves - fuck off and go support another side

Moz, Plum, Pakie, Doos and Mpuff - fuck off we don’t need you

Rassie Erasmus: Reality vs. Fanboy Myth

Club level record:

Erasmus has zero success in international club competitions like Moz pointed out. 0 for 8. That speaks to his coaching limitations outside of the Springbok setup. A great coach shows adaptability across contexts.

Springbok Success Driven by Players:

The Springbok player pool in 2019 and 2023 was exceptional: Thor, Etzebeth, Du Toit, Pollard, Am, Marx, Malherbe , Kolbe, Kitzie etc.

Success was far more about the quality of the squad than about an innovative coaching masterplan.

Game plan Limitations:

The 2019 and 2023 game plans were highly restrictive: physical dominance, set-piece pressure, and kicking territory.

It was hardly revolutionary or sophisticated. Contrast this with coaches who build flexible, multi-layered systems.

Questionable Decisions:

Leaving Pollard out of the 2023 squad despite him being nearly fit was a massive risk.

Selecting only Deon Fourie as a hooker option exposed poor planning.

WC 2023: A tournament of Luck:

Marx’s injury by chance opened the door for Pollard to join the Squad. Without that, Libbok’s kicking inconsistency costs the Boks the WC.

The All Blacks’ red card shifted the final in SA’s favour:

Three consecutive one-point wins show how slim the margins were, hardly a “masterclass” from the Genius.

Tony Brown‘s Influence:

The recent attacking improvements are widely credited to Tony Brown. This underlines how dependent Erasmus is on other rugby brains to refresh the team’s tactics.

Conclusion:

Erasmus is not a genius. He’s a competent organiser, yes, but his track record outside the Boks, his narrow strategies, and reliance on luck and world class individuals show his limitations.

Blind devotion ignores these realities.

MPower, you’re missing key facts. Erasmus was coach for the 2011 World Cup and presided over what was arguably the last golden age of talent in Bok rugby... and he failed. Any true Bok fan knows this. I’m not surprised that 99.9% of people have missed this obvious truth.

Erasmus has never had a team play functional rugby. His model has always been led by defence, coached through his servile assistant; the rest are just gimmicks. There is no tangible evidence of him successfully coaching anywhere. Even in hindsight, his stint at the Stormers as Director of Rugby shows the pattern clearly: Coetzee took the flak, but every decision and system traceably came from Erasmus.

Over the last 18 years, a clear trend emerges: those who defend Erasmus rely on emotion and ad hominem attacks, while those who don’t have a strong technical understanding of the game. I’ve yet to see a single exception.

Mac what you on about? He was a assistant to Pieter de villiers Not head coach yet.

Mpower, your memory isn’t serving you well. The Boks held a camp before the start of the 2011 Rugby Championship (then Tri-Nations), as well as an earlier alignment camp, when it was already clear that Peter de Villiers ("Snor" ) had lost control of the setup. Rassie Erasmus and Jacques Nienaber were effectively running a quick-fix operation behind the scenes to stabilise a side that had become tactically incoherent.

From that point onward, there was a noticeable shift in every aspect of the Bok game: the structure tightened up, defensive cohesion returned, and the overall system bore all the hallmarks of a Rassie-led programme: line-speed defence, heavy kick-pressure, and a risk-averse possession approach. As Jean de Villiers himself said in 2012, "Rassie was basically running the show in that last year. Snor had lost the players."

By that stage, De Villiers (Peter) wasn’t coaching the Boks in any meaningful way. What kept the team competitive was the sheer calibre of the player pool... one of the most talented generations we’ve ever had: Matfield, Bakkies, Du Preez, Habana, Fourie, Burger, and Steyn, all in their prime. On paper, they were the best team in the competition. But the technical output didn’t match the player quality.

As Eddie Jones bluntly stated after the tournament, "South Africa had the personnel to dominate world rugby, but there was no variation in their attack - everything was flat and predictable." That sums it up. The advantage in raw talent was obvious, but the game plan was one-dimensional and reactive - the early prototype of Rassie’s "defence-led" rugby that would later define his coaching style.

McAllister, you’re missing the point.

I was never talking about 2011. Whether Rassie was whispering in Snor’s ear back then or not is irrelevant.

I’m talking about 2019 and 2023, when Erasmus was officially in charge.

That’s where his record actually counts. And in those tournaments, the success was down to the player group, narrow tactics, and plenty of luck, not some untouchable genius coaching display.

Also, we’re agreeing on more points than not, so stop trying to lecture me about 2011 for goodness sake…..

So let’s keep it on topic. Rassie as head coach in 2019 and 2023, not speculation about him running things behind the scenes in 2011.

MPower, you’ve completely lost the plot.

You talk as if Rassie’s résumé speaks for itself, but where’s the tangible evidence of him actually coaching anything? Strip away the PR gloss and you’re left with a man who’s built a career on delegation, theatrics, and other people’s hard work.

In 2011, Rassie was supposedly "influencing" things behind the scenes, yet the Boks played some of the dullest, most rigid rugby of the modern era. It was a failed campaign built on defensive band aids... the exact formula he’s repeated ever since. The pattern hasn’t changed: rigid structure, no attacking cohesion, and a reliance on brute forward collisions and opportunistic moments. That’s not coaching; that’s risk management.

Fast-forward to 2019: Again, no evidence of creative coaching. The attack was static, predictable, and narrow. Go look at the numbers: lowest possession, lowest offload rate, minimal phase play. The Springboks survived on defence and set-piece pressure. They didn’t outplay teams, they outlasted them. That’s not a master tactician; that’s a team of world-class players winning despite the playbook, not because of it.

And 2023? Same movie, different cast. Three one-point wins built on chaos, not control. Erasmus wasn’t orchestrating brilliance... he was gambling. If any other coach scraped through by a combined margin of three points, they’d be accused of living on borrowed time, not hailed as a genius.

Erasmus has never demonstrated the ability to develop a fluid, adaptive attacking system, or evolve his game model beyond “defend, kick, hope.” His entire legacy is built on narrative..

not substance.

So when people say, “Rassie this, Rassie that,” I ask one simple question: show me the rugby. Show me the patterns, the creativity, the tactical fingerprints. You can’t, because they aren’t there.

McAllister, half that post is exactly what I’ve been saying myself.

You’ve basically written my argument but dressed it up like you’re “correcting” me??

I don’t disagree that Rassie’s legacy is built on delegation, theatrics, and a rigid one, dimensional game plan.

That’s been my point from the start. The only difference is I’ve been focusing on 2019 and 2023, when he was officially head coach, instead of dragging it back to 2011…..

So instead of trying to lecture me with stuff we clearly agree on, maybe read what I actually wrote.

Hahahahahahaha. The anti Rassie loons hard at it to smear Rassie.

Yes Mozzietard has infected others on the board with his Lunacy. I am not surprised Doos is one of them as he has very little understanding of rugby. His nervous break down after we won that SECOND RWC was remarkable. The poor loon was beside himself wit rage and made disgusting remarks about Rassie and the Boks. He then flounced off dripping with EGG and it's only now years later he recovered sufficiently to return to the board having of course altered his name once again. Hahahahaha.

Neither am 7 surprised mampara power fell for mizzutsrds BS. No surprise whatsoever.

The surprise is plum. He should shave shown more objectivity.

Of course you never heard mozzietard complaining pointing to luck when in extra time Stransky sunk that drop to win our first RWC. Nor did he complain of Luck when we bear England and Matfud playing out on the wing made a tackle that by millimeters and put the England players into touch and prevented a try. We went on to win our second RWC.

What these nutters don't understand is thst Rassie has managed to motivate the Boks and given them a lot of self belief and a refusal to give up. Rassie picks players according to his battle stats. It's the fight in the dig and nobody should deny the fight is there.

Instead these mamparas who are now firmly anti Bok and resent every win form a lonely group filled with bitterness and resentment. Every Bok win is a further wound. The back to back Rugby Championship win sees them doubling down on stupid just like they did after our back to back RWC win.

They can't conceded the error of their ways.

Meanwhile us real Bok supporters rejoice in another incredible Bok/Rassie achievement. We are very happy to be the Number 1 ranked team! They of course are clearly miserable. Bwahahahahahaha.

3cpised for the frauds they are they have no place to hide. Cred gone they are a laughing stock.

By the way was Rassie helping the Boks coaching staff when we last to Oz thanks to Brcy Lawrence the most Crooked ref I have ever seen?

Actually you never heard me say anything HasBeen….but you never read me saying Stransky was lucky making the drop, because HasBeen….these chat sites weren’t in existence then. Logical?

And there’s no bitterness, it’s all in good fun. But it’s also liberating being able to be totally honest. We won RWC 2019 with a very good performance in the final. We scraped through RWC with 3 1 point wins. That’s a fact. We played 14 men for a half in the final. That’s a fact. We made all our kicks, very reliable opposition kickers missed theirs

’That’s a fact.

Most damning, in his criticism of Schmidt, Dr Lucky said that Schmidt’s tactics mimicked our 2023 WC tactics which are out of date.

And in this RC the Bargie kicker hits the poles with the match on the line. And here’s what nobody else is saying, we played Bargie in England not in Bargentina where they would be a tougher opponent.

The license to be absolutely honest as opposed to a groupie, you should try it, it’s liberating.