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Hayden picks Kallis for team of all time greats

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20 Dec 2014, 10:35
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20 Dec 2014, 10:35#1

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Cape Town - South Africa’s Jacques Kallis has been picked in Australian great Matthew Hayden's all-time greatest ever World Cup XI.


Hayden picked his team after the ICC launched ‘Your Greatest XI’, which will allow fans a unique chance to pick their Greatest All-Time Cricket World Cup XI from the previous 10 editions of the event.

The fans aren't the only ones who will be participating in this. Several cricketing legends across the world will pick the greats they think should make the Greatest XI, and these will be shared on the ICC website. 

Hayden, the former Australian opener, was the first one to do so. His pick included four Australians - Adam Gilchrist, Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath and Ricky Ponting, who is also the captain of the side.    

Apart from Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, ODI cricket’s leading wicket-taker with 534 scalps, is the other spinner in the team, which has Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis, Pakistan’s famed new-ball duo, to accompany McGrath in the seam bowling department.

Gilchrist is Hayden's wicketkeeper, while Virender Sehwag is Gilchrist's opening partner. The rest of the batting wears a solid look, with Ponting, Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara and Kallis, four of 10 batsmen who belong to the 10 000-run club in ODI cricket, making up the top/middle order.

Kallis is the only all-rounder in the team.

The 2015 Cricket World Cup, to be staged in Australia and New Zealand, runs from February 18-March 29.

How to pick:

The ICC database consists of over 100 of the greatest World Cup players of all-time. A photo and a short Pen Profile that describes their World Cup record and their memorable impact at the event is available for each player. The ICC also lists detailed World Cup statistics for each of the players.

The players fall under four different categories - batsmen, bowlers, all-rounders and wicketkeepers. Each XI you choose should feature at least two batsmen, one all-rounder, one wicketkeeper, and two bowlers.

You can pick your Greatest XI by clicking here.

Matthew Hayden’s All Time Greatest XI:

Adam Gilchrist (Australia) (wicketkeeper)

Virender Sehwag (India)

Ricky Ponting (Australia) (captain)

Sachin Tendulkar (India)

Brian Lara (West Indies)

Jacques Kallis (South Africa)

Shane Warne (Australia)

Wasim Akram (Pakistan)

Waqar Younis (Pakistan)

Muttiah Muralitharan (Sri Lanka)

Glenn McGrath (Australia)


Pretty good side!!!Only Question could be around Akram and Younis but they were fine fast bowlers
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20 Dec 2014, 11:17
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20 Dec 2014, 11:17#2
 Any Cricket world cup team without Lance Zulu Klusener sells itself short.
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20 Dec 2014, 11:23
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20 Dec 2014, 11:23#3
 Nonsense Draad Klusener doesnt belong in this class of team. Sewag actually is another questionable selection. Far too erratic and fla shy.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:07
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20 Dec 2014, 12:07#4
 This is an ODI team Beenz. There are a few more foolish inclusions. The balance of the team is way off.
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20 Dec 2014, 15:02
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20 Dec 2014, 15:02#5

Great team and heaven help me to pick a better side but there just has to be spots for Viv Richards and Joel Garner. Klusener I'm afraid is not in the same class as the above.

There were several better allrounders than Klusener eg Richard Hadlee, Imran Kahn, Ian Botham an our own JK...

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20 Dec 2014, 15:11
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20 Dec 2014, 15:11#6
Shaun  Pollock was also a better allrounder than Klusener. But I guess Draad at his best Klusener was one of the most destructive bats ever. 
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20 Dec 2014, 19:21
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20 Dec 2014, 19:21#7
 Show me any player with better stats in a CWC than Klusener in 99 and I might re onsider.
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20 Dec 2014, 19:24
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20 Dec 2014, 19:24#8
 Yes he was brilliant in 99. I saw him get a ton at Newlands. Ball got to the boundry in a blink!
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20 Dec 2014, 19:27
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20 Dec 2014, 19:27#9
Lance Klusener's performance in the 1999 CWC was one of the greatest performances by any cricketer ever.
Virender Sehwag will always be remembered as one of cricket's greatest entertainers . . . and anyone who thinks a test average of 49.34 is "erratic" is clearly a fool. Easily my favourite non-SA batsman ever!
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20 Dec 2014, 21:31
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20 Dec 2014, 21:31#10

Draad


I think we all agree that JK was a wonderful cricketer with both bat and ball but if you're going to use a single percentage of a single CWC as an example to select Klusener then I'm afraid to say JK will have to be left off the team as I don't recall him playing a deciding role in helping SA win a CWC like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram or Viv Richards did for their teams.


Imran Khan, Garfield Sobers and JK were legends of the game, a class above.....Lance Klusener a good striker of the ball was never in their class.

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20 Dec 2014, 22:07
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20 Dec 2014, 22:07#11
 Agreed Denny, but Klusener still fit the modern day game better IMO. He will never smell my best test side, but while he was playing ODI's, he was stellar. His career was too short. Bat or bowl, he made something happen a game breaker.Sobers only played one ODI, so we're not exactly comparing apples with aples here. I'm not talking about cricket in general, the focus is on ODI,s here.
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20 Dec 2014, 22:14
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20 Dec 2014, 22:14#12
Klusener never achieved the heights of 1999 again. He seemed to get a bit big-headed after that and he frustrated the hell out of me at the 2003 CWC when he stuffed around almost intentionally trying to get the required run rate up so he could be the hero all over again . . . and between him and our idiot captain who couldn't work out how many runs we needed . . . we choked. At home!
Klusener was a one tournament wonder . . . but he was pretty incredible in that one tournament. Don't think I've ever seen such sustained and consistent ball striking and I'm not sure if we'll ever see anything like that again. Only Chris Gayle has even come close.
Anyway, that is all besides the point. I assume when picking a team of all time greats we're talking test cricketers here and Klusener was never even close to being a great test cricketer.
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20 Dec 2014, 22:24
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20 Dec 2014, 22:24#13
 PS Klusener's batting average in ODI's is better than Lara and Khan's, a bit weaker than Kallis, Tendulkar and Ponting's. His bowling average is better than Kallisand Tendulkar.Kahn has a better average with the ball, but was way weaker in batting.This is only a few that I  have checked. In ODI's, Zulu is right up there with the best of the best. His career was a bit shorter than the others partly due to injuries, but 177 ODI's is more than enough to constitute a reliable stat sample. The figures don't lie, he is way better than what he gets credit for.
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20 Dec 2014, 22:51
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20 Dec 2014, 22:51#14
Agreed Klusener was a brilliant striker of the ball and he would fit the modern game specially 20/20 and I would add that the Proteas middle order has never quite looked the same without him but I wouldn't pick him in my best ODI side. Draad, you're not going to convince me with stats.  
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20 Dec 2014, 23:38
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20 Dec 2014, 23:38#15
 Fine Denny, no problem, he will be in my side though.Just a bit of background. From mid 98 till end of 99 I worked on site somewhere in the Northern Cape Dessert. Nothing much to do with your free time but drink beers and watch sport. That year (99) the Stormers played in black and we were well on our way to win the Super trophy when Bobby busted his knee. From there all went downhill for us. We still managed to reach a home semi, but lost to Otago. On the cricket front, things looked a bit different.  Our team did not quite gel. Bowling was fine, but our top and middle order failed more often than not. Klusener got them out of the fire game after game. I specifically recall the tour to NZ prior to the WC (either 98 or 99) There was just no end to his determination and he pulled it off match after match. To average just below 42, batting at 6 or 7 in the match situations at the time, and achieving it at the strike rate that he did will not easily be matched again. Legendary stuff for sure. But at only 177 odd ODI's, the legend was soon forgotten.
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21 Dec 2014, 01:01
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21 Dec 2014, 01:01#16
 Oh for heaven sake. Ponting's ODI average is 42, AB has an average of 51. He is also far more explosive if he needs to be. How can one leave out the best current bat. Too many Aussies..McGrath, Warne and Gilchrist pick themselves, Ponting doesn't in the ODI game.
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21 Dec 2014, 01:30
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21 Dec 2014, 01:30#17

Draad, like I've said we've never recovered from Klusener's departure, it's the one glaring weakness in the current ODI or Test side....they don't have a quality allrounder. Albie Morkel never made the cut and the Proteas may well pay for the lack of a big-hitting allrounder. The same can be said of JK, his departure has not been seamless, it was never going to be.


Questions abound about our best ODI side and now with Quentin De Kock injured the Proteas are looking seriously vulnerable. How they can afford to continuously overlook Marchant De Lange is amazing.



Moz, Bradman aside Ponting would probably be Australia's best batsman....and that's not saying he'd make my top 11.


One more chink in Hayden's team...he's left out the greatest quick of all time....Dennis Lillee.


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21 Dec 2014, 01:58
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21 Dec 2014, 01:58#18
 Moz, none of the "greats" had averages that comes close to that of Amla and AB. Amla's is a bit higher, but AB scores quickly from the start and has an excellent rr for a technically sound batsmen. IMO Hayden's team is more a sentimental one than well thought trough.
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