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Henry Slade vs Jessie Kriel

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Feb 2019, 23:33
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05 Feb 2019, 23:33#1
Watching Slade turn in a match winning performance for England, one thought of Jesse Kriel. Slade made 3 clean breaks and scored 2 opportunistic tries. In 40 tests Kriel hasn't turned in one performance as convincing. Why? I'm sure Slade isn't as strong or as fast as the physical Kriel. The difference is in the software. He is a smart player, alert to the opportunities and with some real vision. Kriel by contrast appears stuck on his post.....rugby by the numbers. England now has one of the smarter backlines in the game. Farrell is a warrior and an emotional player. May is a speedster. Tuilagi is a power house. But Youngs, Slade, Nowell and Daily seem like very cerebral players. Which is not to say that Ioane would win a contest with Nowell....but sometimes brains matter. By contrast with Kriel, Allende in the centre we have a backline with little intuition.
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sharkbokCaptain23,252 posts
06 Feb 2019, 01:28
#2
06 Feb 2019, 01:28#2
Delande has the hardware for 2019, but unfortunately the software operating system of 1920. He will always take the wrong option. He also lacks software drivers to integrate with anyone in his team. My only suggestion is to use him as a dummy runner more often where he will be more comfortable.
He had 2 good season, but went backwards at an alarming rate. He is currently not as bad as he was - but only operates on about 20% of his hardware capacity. 

Jessica has limited functionality, but outside a half decent inside center,  he may do more. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2019, 07:57
#3
06 Feb 2019, 07:57#3

SB

Slade plays at 13 and not 12 - so the real opposition to be looked into would in the first instance be Kriel and Am.   The third option would be Serfontein - who even though he played at 12 tomy mind is not physically strong enough to feature at 12,

Kriel got bumped off easily when he tried to make a tackle on Saturday on  Scara Ntubene - really physically a rather small hooker and left the field injured afterwards.   I would not rate Kriel as an opponent of Slade - he will come short.   Amla is more of a defemnse liability and Slade will run over him with ease.   Serfontein at 13 would be a better opponent of Slade.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Feb 2019, 13:29
#4
06 Feb 2019, 13:29#4
Oh what utter crap scoring opportunist tries involves little skill. It’s the first time Slade has had a good test he has done sweet stuff all to date. He is an ok player nothing special. Kriel is twice the 13. My call is that you won’t see much more from Slade moving forward. Kriel of late has scored more tries than most other test 13’s out there
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Feb 2019, 13:29
#5
06 Feb 2019, 13:29#5
Oh what utter crap scoring opportunist tries involves little skill. It’s the first time Slade has had a good test he has done sweet stuff all to date. He is an ok player nothing special. Kriel is twice the 13. My call is that you won’t see much more from Slade moving forward. Kriel of late has scored more tries than most other test 13’s out there
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Feb 2019, 20:12
#6
06 Feb 2019, 20:12#6
Hahaha predictable balls......Kriel is a dead head.
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sharkbokCaptain23,252 posts
06 Feb 2019, 21:16
#7
06 Feb 2019, 21:16#7

Is this the same Slade that usually plays at 10? Is he bigger now, as he always seemed a bit small- or not very physical.  At one stage Farrell was at 12, and Slade was the preferred choice at 10. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 00:20
#8
07 Feb 2019, 00:20#8
Didn't you watch the game?
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sharkbokCaptain23,252 posts
07 Feb 2019, 01:19
#9
07 Feb 2019, 01:19#9

I did watch it- but I only remember seeing him on the pitch towards the end of the match.

I created a live match thread- but I often work on my laptop when I am watching a game- so I don't see everything. He seemed bigger than I remember , also CleverMike said he was an outside center- and to my knowledge, this is his first game at outside center.

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XaviPro1,924 posts
07 Feb 2019, 01:23
#10
07 Feb 2019, 01:23#10

Slade at one time wanted to play 10 but that was before Jones took the reins.

He's played almost exclusively at 13 the last two seasons for Exeter with much success. 

Whether he remains there with the return of Tuilagi remains to be seen or Eddie might decide to keep Manu at 12 for the crash.

Daly is probably England's best 13 playing on the wing.

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sharkbokCaptain23,252 posts
07 Feb 2019, 01:46
#11
07 Feb 2019, 01:46#11

I thought Daly was now at fullback, after getting some tips from Willie Leroux at Wasps. It may even be one of the reasons he left - as he was not getting enough starting games at 15. Wasps also have some financial woes- so they might not have been able to afford both. 

Unless there is another daly. 

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XaviPro1,924 posts
07 Feb 2019, 02:08
#12
07 Feb 2019, 02:08#12

Wasps have been playing him on the wing more and more.

He's off to Sarries at the end of the Season any way. Maybe to play 15 although they still have Goode and Williams there. I think he left cos he wants silverware and also he's great friends with Jamie George.

His missus just opened a coffee shop in Leamington Spa though so happy travels for her.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Feb 2019, 09:01
#13
07 Feb 2019, 09:01#13

Slade, like everyone else, lands a top class match every now and then. That doesn't qualify him as the worlds best 13.

I've seen Jesse land a few quality matches himself ... need I say more?

Guys like Stirling Mortlock, Brian O'Driscoll, Danie Gerber and Tuilagi are players worthy of top honours. Consistently delivering top class performances ... match after match .  

Slade is just another good player who delivers from time to time.

Nothing more.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 13:17
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07 Feb 2019, 13:17#14
Slade has yet to play a noteworthy test that will never happen given his lack of physicality having played most of his rugby as a string bean 10. England have no classy centres so Slade it is for now at 13. Has played a handful of tests now and been largely anonymous. But according to Moffie he is all brains and far better than Kriel who last season beat more defenders and made more clean breaks and scored more tries than most test 13’s out there. Only Huw Jones was on the same level. Same applies to de Allende at 12 who beat more defenders and made more breaks than any other test 12 last year. But our idiot supporters ignore these facts and try tell us that all other test centres out there are ripping defences apart, the same centres that can’t comnand permanent starting positions in their respective test sides
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Feb 2019, 13:26
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07 Feb 2019, 13:26#15
The general consensus among English fans is that Slade had his first good test match last weekend.
Only a painfully ignorant rugby noob would be talking him up as a world-beater on that one performance.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 15:02
#16
07 Feb 2019, 15:02#16
Rooi reality is he had a good test on the strength of two opportunist tries hardly the measure of a game where he had ripped defences apart through skill. He is a handy enough player but to say he is better than Kriel is both insulting and laughable. But not as bad as saying PSDT is not a class act.....fuck me what a joke
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2019, 15:17
#17
07 Feb 2019, 15:17#17

Dave

The orc hates Du Toit because at one stage he became a threat to Matfield and  in his mind  that is despicable.   And obviously you and I supported him and not the over-the-hill Matfield - that was enough for lifelong hatred of the guy.  

In the case of Kriel the list is growing - it started off with Bausteraud, Kuridrani and Kerevi,    We will soon has a ten man list of no 13's whom is supported by the orc.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 17:13
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07 Feb 2019, 17:13#18
The barking dogs in full voice.......well maybe I'm wrong, perhaps Kriel does create opportunities for his wings. Lets see there must be one try he created last year......I'm trying to remember. Nope I'm drawing a blank. Well over to you chaps tell me about it.......describe a try, any try will do.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 17:39
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07 Feb 2019, 17:39#19
Kriel just scored more tries himself than most test 13 last season. So which test 13’s set up tries for their wings last season wise one? Your take on 13’s sounds like our primary school days - pass the ball down the line to the wing!! If I could be bothered I’m sure I could find a try scorer having received a pass from Jessie last season.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 17:46
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07 Feb 2019, 17:46#20
Be bothered.......tell us about the test try created by Jesse last year.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 17:55
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07 Feb 2019, 17:55#21
If I felt you were worth the effort I’d do that but I’m bored of you already it’s the same old same old same old. I’ll live with knowing that Jessie scored more tries, beat more defenders and made more breaks than most test 13’s last season. The icing being him and de Allende comprehensively outplaying the NZ centre pair away from home. It’s all I need to confirm the class that Jessie is. Yawn
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 19:02
#23
07 Feb 2019, 19:02#23
Thanks Xavi....if you go to outside centres Slade is ranked 8 and Kriel 23. Sounds about right. Case closed.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 20:10
#24
07 Feb 2019, 20:10#24
Oh wow good one Moffie I did not know the likes of Nonu and co were still playing test rugby Great stats there xavi you idiot Provide us with the test stats for last season you muppet - try provide some relevance. Slade won’t come close to Kriel in last seasons test stats because Slade did sweet stuff all
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 20:15
#25
07 Feb 2019, 20:15#25
Well dumbass if you just press the buttons you can look at performance only in internationals. Slade is ranked 5/Kriel is ranked 11. Stupid is forever.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 20:22
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07 Feb 2019, 20:22#26
Oh what bullshit ranking for some fantasy crap. Provide the stats you idiot
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2019, 20:32
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07 Feb 2019, 20:32#27
So now you have been taught how to push the buttons it's bs stats in the most complete effort at player rankings.....hahaha.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2019, 21:04
#28
07 Feb 2019, 21:04#28

Dave 

We live in a wonderful world where someone can come  up with stats like the orc did,

Henry Slade since 2014 played 16 tests of which most was in 2014 and 2015 with only 5 tests being in 2018-19.  Of these five tests England lost 2 and won 3 and Slade scored 2 of his 4  career tries.    That looks rather sick giving him a ranking of 5 for near to zero career effort.   Must be a fabrication concocted by .the orc.        


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XaviPro1,924 posts
07 Feb 2019, 21:36
#29
07 Feb 2019, 21:36#29

Suck a fat one Dave, they're  not my stats. Fucking m uppet!


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Feb 2019, 21:46
#30
07 Feb 2019, 21:46#30

Relax xavi, Saffex was calling Moffie an idiot, not you.

Also, didn't you say you'd give Fantasy Rugby a go this year?

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XaviPro1,924 posts
07 Feb 2019, 21:54
#31
07 Feb 2019, 21:54#31

Great stats there xavi you idiot

Doubt it, gave it a try a while ago and got bored half way through.



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2019, 22:05
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07 Feb 2019, 22:05#32
Moffie here is some help for you, you useless twat. Courtesy of ESPN In 2018 Slade played 6 test at 13 running all of 63 metres, making 3 clean breaks and beating 4 defenders. He made 30 tackles missing 20. He scored a big fat ZERO tries. Now wait for it, Kriel played 10 tests running 272 metres, making 7 clean breaks and beating 7 defenders. He made 47 tackles missing 16. He scored FOUR tries. Let me guess fuckwit you would still pick Slade no doubt because you are that stupid. Kriel faced Slade twice and made his name mud stats wise In the June test Jessie ran 72 metres, made 2 clean breaks and beat 3 defenders and scored a try. Your mate Slade ran all of 3 metres beat no one and missed 4 tackles. In Nov Kriel ran 30m beat 2 defenders made 2 tackles and missed none. Your mate Slade ran 21 m beat 2 defenders made 6 tackles and missed 7. You really are onto a winner here Moffie Slade better than Kriel my arse, as I said Jessie is twice the centre
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:02
#33
08 Feb 2019, 00:02#33
And of course you omit the fact that Kriel made no Clean breaks.....Slade made 2. And Kriel never offloaded and passed only once.....so the ball died with him. Whereas Slade offloaded once and passed three times. Nice try Vetgat.....Kriel a cul de sac playing next to Allende, another cul de sac.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:16
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08 Feb 2019, 00:16#34
Ha ha Moffie you have been utterly owned with your pathetic inaccurate take on Kriel vs Slade. The stats prove what an idiot you are - is your best come back an offload.....bwhaahaaaa You are pathetic......I love your mans defending stats he looks are real class act there 20 tackles missed in 6 games - as a centre - ouch. Great strike rate for a 13 with ZERO tries - good call Moffie. Not to mention an average of 10m gained a test - that from a 13 - wow no wonder he could not score a try. I’ll take Jessie’s 27m a game resulting in 4 tries. So you stick to useless Slade because you are too fucking stupid to acknowledge you have once again been exposed. Keep digging Moffie, in your books Mostert is better than PSDT and Slade is better than Kriel - what an idiot you are
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:26
#35
08 Feb 2019, 00:26#35
No my best come back is two clean breaks....runs that actually made a difference vs crashballing Kriel. As for the stats, RPI has included all those numbers and then scored them for effectiveness. When they were made and whether they led to points. It's by far the most detailed statistical analysis of the game......and you never even knew of it's existence. You really live and snort rugby Vetsak....LMAOFY!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:29
#36
08 Feb 2019, 00:29#36
You have been owned Moffie well and truly owned. We can count on you knowing fuck all about centres. Owned
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:48
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08 Feb 2019, 00:48#37
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 00:57
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08 Feb 2019, 00:57#38
Give up Moffie you have been owned. The stats I have quoted for 2018 reveal that the contest between Kriel and Slade is not even close. Kriel is twice the centre as was my original call, the stats prove it. Jessie scored 4 tries Slade a big fat Zero. But imagine investing in a centre that missed 20 tackles in 6 tests and made an average of 10m a test and scored no tries. Give up old man you have been owned - you are such easy pickings
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2019, 01:21
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08 Feb 2019, 01:21#39
Wooosh.....above your intellectual plateau.....and even using your numbers, the centre with clean breaks and offloads will be more effective. On Saturday Slade actually determined the result of one of the biggest tests of the year. Kriel has never done that. Stay down fat man.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Feb 2019, 01:37
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08 Feb 2019, 01:37#40
Actually Moffie I could not be bothered reading your sad attempt to justify stats. Only a desperate idiot would try justifying how a poor set of stats would somehow give more credit to a player than to one with better stats. I can play your pathetic game if you like. In the June test vs Slade, Kriel made 2 clean breaks and beat 3 defenders scoring a try in the process as opposed to your hero making ZERO clean breaks and beating ZERO defenders. Stop lying re Slade’s contribution last week, he scored two opportunist tries which involved littke skill at all. He did not effect the outcome of the test through skill. What makes you a really pathetic and sad individual, shock, shock is that you find favour in an England player over one of our own. An England player who based on my stats had a pretty pathetic 2018. We know Eddie is losing the plot and we can see why - investing in a 13 who missed 20 tackles in 6 tests. Give up you sad twat you have been owned. I’ll stick a board poll up based on my stats asking the board which 13 in 2018 they would choose based on the stats
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