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Hide your woman, Elton Jantjies is back in the bok team

Started by kingcorn16 REPLIES1,321 VIEWS· 15 Jun 2023, 14:53
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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Jun 2023, 14:53
#1
15 Jun 2023, 14:53#1

So, Elton is back after both Willemse and Pollard are still marked as injured. Handre is struggling with the same calf injury that caused him to withdraw from the final. Then, Willemse has damaged his knee, which means that he might not be ready for the first international. 


So it only leaves us with Libbok. 


So the Boks in all their wisdom has decided to bring back Jantjies who have been playing in a B League in France. 


But what I don't understand is, why not bring in those that are in SA. Like Goosen or even Robert Du Preeze. 


I guess they are selecting Jantjies on quota basis and not form 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Jun 2023, 15:21
#2
15 Jun 2023, 15:21#2

Oh Shit!

Mr Points back in the mix....what a disaster for SA rugby and any hope in the RWC 2023.

At least he will have one supporter cheering for him on this forum.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Jun 2023, 15:29
#3
15 Jun 2023, 15:29#3

I guess we can't be beggars. We don't have that many world class 10 lying around, unlike New Zealand that don't even know where to play them. 

How would you rank the 10s available to us

  1. Pollard
  2. Libbok
  3. Goosen
  4. Robert Du Preez
  5. Giani Lombard
  6.  Jantjies
  7. Bosh
  8. Smit

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Jun 2023, 17:36
#4
15 Jun 2023, 17:36#4
What about Boeta Chamberlain? Jantjies can be good sometimes….but don’t let him start, as that was mostly a flop….of the bench….wonder if the chick he diddled with, is still in the Bok setup? Maybe that will flame up There love affair again : ) …Jantjies must keep his Dick in his pants and play some Rugby : )
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Jun 2023, 18:26
#5
15 Jun 2023, 18:26#5

1

4

Fansie

2

Morne

The rest are not even Provincial standard.


DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Jun 2023, 18:54
#6
15 Jun 2023, 18:54#6

Jantjies has shown he is capable of coping at test level. Libbok is set to become roadkill. Robert lost the Welsh test of 2018. A terrible choice. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Jun 2023, 19:13
#7
15 Jun 2023, 19:13#7
Deus you are totally wrong about Libbok….he definitely has the Grid and good head, to make it…..he is a extremely good distributor , but his Goal kicking needs attention….have you not watched some of the stormers games??….I wonder as you such a Fan of Video Material : ) and his Bok showing last year, was definitely not that bad ….Jantjies has total Brain Capacity lapses, on and off field, that has costed us dearly….my opinion, he is at most a impact player….Robert Du Preez is not a bad Flyhalf and was doing good by the Stormers and Overseas….you cannot judge him only on his 1 Fuck up…your Darling Kwagga was not doing well at all in the beginning….but look @ him now , punching above his weight : )
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Jun 2023, 19:41
#8
15 Jun 2023, 19:41#8

Well, let's just hope he can score on the field and stick his ball between the post and not the dieticians legs. 

Frans Malherbe will need extra help this season. Elton can't distract her from making sure Frans don't just binge on McDonald's. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Jun 2023, 20:14
#9
15 Jun 2023, 20:14#9

I have seen a few Stormers games, and I didn't see anything special. Put into proper context, the quality just isn't there, such as with Roos, thus far. The latter has more potential to turn that around. All I saw from Libbok is free running against very scattershot defending. I never saw any artistry, I have never seen him assert himself in a tight game. I trust Jantjies more. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Jun 2023, 22:30
#10
15 Jun 2023, 22:30#10
10’s in order: Pollard Libbok Jantjies Goosen Chamberlain Sacha Lombard Hendrikse Bosch
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Jun 2023, 23:25
#11
15 Jun 2023, 23:25#11

I thought Jantjies played really well during the championship in 2019. His best game ever was against Australia. But since then he never fully recovered. 

It didn't help that the Boks rushed him into a test match when he only had 30 min of game time all season. Then, don't forget that he got dropped by his club in Japan and then having to find a club which is now France D2. 

At 32 he isn't getting younger. Why on earth don't they bring Goosen in or Robert Du Preez. 

Goosen is still a great kicker, can hold up his channel and versatile in that he can play 10, 13 and 15

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jun 2023, 07:04
#12
16 Jun 2023, 07:04#12

It's not about his running only. Manie has good hands and times his passes perfectly...like I've seen from D-Mac as well...a well timed pass is a much underrated skill these days...what made Naas as good as he was...more than just a kicking machine...

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
16 Jun 2023, 09:09
#13
16 Jun 2023, 09:09#13

This was my one big gripe last year with the springbok management team. The bring in players into the team when they are not fully ready or in form. Meyer started this trend back in the day with mix results. 

A player only have to play 30 min or non and he is automatically selected into the bok team because of his past history. 

We have no idea whether the players in Japan or in form. We see how the player perform in Europe, but it is hard to judge each league. We know that a team like Sale with a lot of South Africans does well, but then in the European champions cup, we get beaten by Exacter and in return Exceter get thrashed by a French team. 

With 600 SA born players scattered all over the world, it is really hard to judge how good our teams really are and how good our opposition are. 

Just remembered back in the Super Rugby days. I would watch some player in the currie cup, they looked amazing. Thinking to myself, wow we have some amazing players, can't wait next year for super rugby and then all of sudden the same player gets destroyed the next season. 

So, Rassie believes throwing players in the deep end. If you don't front up, you're gone. 

But then we have a player like Dweeb, that should never even been on the bench let alone in the bok team. He goes straight in as a starter over Marx and gets yanked 30 min into the game

So the bok management has made it very clear that the choose 

  1. Colour over form
  2. Players that have been with the team will always get selected, no matter how poor they are
  3. If you played at the Stormer, Free state or Munster while Rassie was coaching, you are in. 
Jean Kleyn is another example. I do believe he deserves to be there but then there are so many other players that also put up their hand. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Jun 2023, 15:10
#14
16 Jun 2023, 15:10#14

It is reported that when Julius Caesar marched his armies in roman cities to be celebrated, soldiers were walking ahead screaming 'patricians, hide your wife, Julius comes to town" or something.

Julius Caesar could be a nickname for this guy.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Jun 2023, 15:12
#15
16 Jun 2023, 15:12#15

Colour over form

What the conundrum is when players are the same colour.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
16 Jun 2023, 16:03
#16
16 Jun 2023, 16:03#16

Jack it only counts for the number of brothers.

If all 15 players would be off white the team would meet the ANC Sport mandate.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Jun 2023, 21:16
#17
16 Jun 2023, 21:16#17

Form. If we selected on "form", we'd select like Viljoen to Straeuli: not one consecutive lineup in four years! Literally. Select the most talented 15 and be done with it. End of discussion. 

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