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How good was Danie Gerber?

Started by Shezza56 REPLIES5,005 VIEWS· 20 Nov 2019, 21:41
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Nov 2019, 12:55
#41
23 Nov 2019, 12:55#41

Shez

Neither can one assume the opposite.

Logic says that you have to assume talent/genius/ability as the rating by which you multiply the present state of the sport.

Soldiers are a good example. If he was efficient and succesful 500 years ago, then it really doesn't matter if he's in a bow and arrow or machine gun battle, he'd likely be just as effective across the board/time. Because he possesses the necessary traits.

Of cours there are some outliers. Like if he was a nine foot giant and literally too dumb to understand how a machine gun works. But that situation would be an exception and you can't reasonably estimate in its favor.

In Gerber's instance you could argue that the less space there is in front, the more space there is at the back. Chasing chip kicks isn't something we saw him do often. However, his turn of pace, good hands and eye for the game could just as easily see him score tons of tries in the modern game.

That's the problem. Unless you have a very solid reason, like Bradman giving himself not out, then there are too many factors that force you keep the skill multiplier unchanged.

Do you have a specific factor, outside of "space"?

I don't know the stats but whenever I look at older game's scores, they always seem relatively low as compared to the modern game.

If the above is correct, what does that say about space and the potential for scoring points?

Do 13s these days score on average less than they did 40 years ago? 

Has attack developed as much as defence over time? Logic says it must have.

See what I'm saying?

Let me just add - I'm just debating. Please don't take this as insult, sexism, piss taking or anything else negative and/or unnecessary.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Nov 2019, 15:12
#42
23 Nov 2019, 15:12#42

Lomu's strength set him apart from the rest. He wasn't the quickest ... he didn't have a very good step ... he struggled under the high ball ... and had no kicking game whatsoever ... even his pass was clumsy at best.

He was able to stay on his feet and run right over the top of you. That's all. He was big and powerful. Other than that, he had no skills whatsoever. Bryan Habana was a far better rugby player.

Ali duped the world into believing that he was the greatest. He wasn't. He told the world that he was ... over and over ... and over again. The world believed his nonsense. He wasn't known as the "Louisville Lip" for nothing.

Iron Mike Tyson, Rocky Marciano, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey and Jack Johnson would have cleaned him up without much effort. Hell, even a middleweight like Stanley Ketchell would have taken him to task.

Ali didn't have a punch .. not in either hand. His defensive technique was flawed. He had a little hand speed and some good foot work, but other than that, he certainly wasn't the greatest heavyweight of all time. Not by a long shot.

Gerber was a class act. A wonderful player. He had it all. Pace, a magical step off either foot, creativity, upper body strength and a brilliant rugby brain. SA hasn't had anyone in his league since he called it a day. Not even close.

To say that he couldn't compete in this day and age is simply being ignorant.

The world over has a short supply of exciting midfielders. Don't blame the lack of space for that. That is simply horseshit conjured by Stupid Dave. He needed something to justify his stupid selections at 13.


 


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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Nov 2019, 17:02
#43
24 Nov 2019, 17:02#43
“ Posted by: Plum (4791 posts) Nov 23, 2019, 12:55 Shez Neither can one assume the opposite. Logic says that you have to assume talent/genius/ability as the rating by which you multiply the present state of the sport.” I had the privilege of being close to the Pumas around 2003-7. It was during this time that Chris Grobler and Danie were the coaches. I watched many training sessions. Danie was around 47/8/9 years old then. He often joined in the “opposing back line” when the main guys were practicing there defensive moves. It was amazing to see him slice through their defences, even at that age. He was still lightening quick and easy kept up and often beat the youngsters, especially acceleration off the mark.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Nov 2019, 17:23
#44
24 Nov 2019, 17:23#44

Cera

I'm not in the least bit surprised.

Problem is, one can't teach that.

Which in and of itself explains why it transcends eras.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Nov 2019, 17:37
#45
24 Nov 2019, 17:37#45

“ Posted by: Plum (4793 posts)

Nov 24, 2019, 17:23

Cera

I'm not in the least bit surprised.

Problem is, one can't teach that.

Agree 100%. You either got it or you ain’t got it. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Nov 2019, 08:50
#46
25 Nov 2019, 08:50#46

Viv Richards batted without a helmet throughout his distinguished career .....that takes some doing having faced Lillee and Thommo in their prime. Another example of skill and genius combining.....or one can simply say class. Would he be able to do it in the modern era?.....damn right he would, he played in the modern era

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Nov 2019, 09:53
#47
25 Nov 2019, 09:53#47

A bit stupid to bat without a helmet, even back then

The risks are always there.... no matter how good of a batsman you are

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Nov 2019, 10:11
#48
25 Nov 2019, 10:11#48

The genius had his reasons but that aside it illustrates the point what genii are capable of....doubt very much whether stupid made a play. Back then? .....Thommo was clocked at 160k/ph and in his entire career Viv never got struck by a cricket ball as far as I know. 


DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
25 Nov 2019, 10:38
#49
25 Nov 2019, 10:38#49

Yep, I fully understand

I just think whatever his reasons were, for playing without a helmet..... is stupid

It's nothing personal at all...….. if he did it to show that he was not intimidated, to be brave, to show bravado, or just to improve his sighting from under the helmet...…. one simple and quick lack of concentration, from a 160km delivery which rears up from a crack in the pitch and clocks him upside the temple...… nah.... stupid

But, massive respect...… massive

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Nov 2019, 10:55
#50
25 Nov 2019, 10:55#50

Yep he was something special alright.....our Protea snowflakes should do themselves a service by watching him......

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Nov 2019, 11:05
#51
25 Nov 2019, 11:05#51

Correct me if I'm wrong but was there even such a thing as a helmet back in the day?

We are a lot more safety conscious these days than they were then.

A spear tackle was the order of the day ... now it's a red card and 3 months suspension.

We've grown soft.




DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Nov 2019, 11:28
#52
25 Nov 2019, 11:28#52

Yes there was, have a look at the video, at the other end the batsman is wearing a helmet.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Nov 2019, 11:35
#53
25 Nov 2019, 11:35#53

Soft is an understatement........our boytjies are like butter in the middle of Namib desert. That more than anything is what's wrong with our cricket and it has been since re-admission. They need to stock up on attitude.

I'm wholly in favour of the tough stand re spear tackles, there's a few players in a wheelchair.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Nov 2019, 11:47
#54
25 Nov 2019, 11:47#54
But who was the better no 13, Gerber or Viv Richards?
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Nov 2019, 12:15
#55
25 Nov 2019, 12:15#55

Haaahahahahaha ... oh hang on a moment ... just to be clear ... is that another one of your "tongue in cheek" statements, Ceradyne?

Damn .. it's all so confusing ...



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
25 Nov 2019, 12:17
#56
25 Nov 2019, 12:17#56

Yes, of course, Denny.

Some of the rough stuff in rugby was totally over the top.

 


CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
25 Nov 2019, 12:47
#57
25 Nov 2019, 12:47#57

"Haaahahahahaha ... oh hang on a moment ... just to be clear ... is that another one of your "tongue in cheek" statements, Ceradyne? "

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