How good was Kolisi again

Kwagga was better than little boy lost, again. Talent vs a media story. 

Useless he missed Duhan for the first Scottish try.

But he too ran into free space. That's the standard for greatness. Kwagga fought hard for the ball for the second try. Kolisi has never done that, will never try to do that, and doesn't have the potential to achieve something like that. Kwagga is the new Brussow. 

If Kolisi was playing for Scotland you wouldn’t even see him Dave. He occasionally does something significant and then seems to drift back into obscurity.  Do we ever miss him when he departs at minute 55

The loose trio is of concern. It is clear Vermuelen is fading due to aging. 

How many steals did they effect. One saw what a difference Kitshoff and Marx made in this regard. Neither Kolisi nor Kwagga are fetchers and Vermuelen contribution is not where one would want it to be or has been in the past. 

Poor org's comparison of Kwagga to Brussouw is a howler. Hahahahahahaka. Thanks Org you are a Card. 

The bomb squad front row are currently better all round rugby players. Again and again we are seeing the bomb squad come on and win the game. Maybe this is the right tactic. That said try putting on your best 15 to start with. Perhaps Bongo and Co might to as well coming off the bench. Interesting to see. 

Really? Who disrupts the opposition ball like Kwagga in the game right now? He attacks hard. You see it in every test, but the second Bok try is a great example, and without his dogged assertive fighting spirit, that try doesn't happen. We don't even have possession, as the Scots simply go to ground, secure and clear their lines. The body position, the attention to detail, as he maneuvers the carrier to prevent him going to ground, holds him up and the scoops the ball out and sends it our side for Am to gather. Sitzsack, you are straining, but defeat is inevitable. It must be lag on your end, as I'm already finishing my after fight victory party as you lay on the canvas, in an empty arena, staring with glazed eyes at the ceiling. 

What did Kolisi actually do that was so good? Do provide some references. You throw out adjectives you don't understand, and when it doesn't stick, you do so more loudly. You never actually reference anything. I already covered the two tries, where Kriel and Kwagga were the most impressive players in those sequences. Now give me something else. I know you have nothing, but as a gesture of good sportsmanship, I will at least give you the opportunity. 

Big hits, good carries and great try assist...

Thanks, I'll fast forward immediately to "good carries". 



As predicted, you've got absolutely nothing. Great try assist? Why don't you go here and explain why it was great...

https://www.ruckersforum.com/forum/rugby/xs--os--mapimpi-flays-sawneys/37750/

Or are you too afraid? I already know you are ignorant, but are you a coward too? 

No references? Did you retain nothing? Do you just look at the screen with dulled eyes? I don't care what you or the rest of the Kak Pack think. Respect? I will not ever respect a vacuous blab hole who will insult someone without ever putting something on the table. The amusement is watching the horde like little chihuahuas yapping behind a fence like they are Rottweilers; can't debate a damn thing. 

I'm not sad enough to waste my time, but I'll trawl the internet looking for a journo who agrees with me. You just don't have anything because you don't know anything. 

Waxing lyrical...

"Waxing lyrical" is not a game reference Unter. Where are the big carries, the creation of space, the tackles? Where is the great centre play? You've got nothing. This sham of a centre has the worst body of work of every Bok centre in my lifetime, probably one of the worst ever. 

Okay, so what minute of the game can I find "waxing lyrical"? Is it before or after "good carries"? 

Actually I do have to correct an error. The player who horribly missed Duhan…..I got fooled by the beards and the sweatbands…..was Jantjies. Kolisi gets a pass.

Stick with moz for honest reporting.

So many  reputable international rugby websites are absolutely singing the praises of both Kolisi and DA

Nothing less than a 8 for both men on many different player ratings..... sometimes a 9

What a pity you guys can't seem to appreciate the same performances...

So many different people, from various countries, that actually do this professionally for a living, can't get it wrong

Actually they can all be wrong. Most of these writers have played less rugby than the average Board member. And best of my knowledge there is no exam that qualifies one as a rugby expert. Professionally my arse.

When these reporters are saying Allende was a dominant defender in the game and he only attempted 3tackles, 2 of which he missed….they can all get it wrong. In article after article you hear what a great defender he is….when his instincts are all wrong and his tackling technique is a a grab around the waist.

And if you can point me to one try he created as our inside centre with a mountain of ball, I’d be surprised. He can run through space, beat forwards on the outside and make a simple pass. Does that make him a Jean de Villiers?

As for Kolisi. I have accepted he’s on the park. But when Hooper was dominating the breakdown against Oz where was Kolisi. He is a welcome counterpoint to our history and looks passionate out there, although it now appears in the background he is just another substance abuser. Inspirational? Make mine a double.

How many journos go through film? How many of them study the game? For years Watson was the best South African player; everyone "knew" that we could never win a WC with Du Preez, Juan and Butch; Damian was dubbed the best 12 in the game right after losing the 2015 Aussie test single-handedly; Goosen was the next Naas after an abysmal set of appearances in 2012 for the Boks; Morné was the worst 10 of all time; Lambie was the best attacking 10 in South Africa; Despite fail after fail after fail, Willemse is one of the best players in South Africa; I could go on and on with this. The media miss so much, it's very hard to take seriously. I always refer back to film and challenge the Kak Pack to reference something, anything, but none have provided a single piece of evidence to defend themselves, because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Just look at the two Bok tries I covered in the Xs and Os thread; totally washes away their claims. In fact, considering the Boks had a 5v2 for the second try, they still needed some guile for Mapimpi to spring free, making harder work of it than it ought to have been! 

"How many journos go through film? How many of them study the game?"

Not really sure what your point is here..

Film analysis is not used for some awards....and also.... the overall general, "unprofessional" open public vote is also specifically looked at, and incorporated..... when the  "World Rugby Player Of The Year" is chosen....

You did know that right?

So......according to your logic here, all these previous winners may not be eligible, because the actual film and stats were not looked at...….just a vote was held

The point is perfectly clear: these awards are not a definitive indicator of a player's actual performance/contribution. A lot of POTY awards have been given to players who haven't acutally been the best. 2009: McCaw over Brussow. 2008: Shane Williams. When we evaluate Steph's actual production, when we review film, Steph wasn't even close to being an integral Bok, much less a standout performer on the world stage. When asked for references for these supposed world class contributions, his fangirls here have never once been able to provide anything. Strange, isn't it? 

"these awards are not a definitive indicator of a player's actual performance / contribution. A lot of POTY awards have been given to players who haven't acutally been the best"

I see.....so the winners are worthy of this award, if you personally agree with the final choice..... but the criteria used to determine these winners.... is not correct, if you do not agree with the final winner.

Got it

What a fantastic and very detailed article on Kolisi's Springbok performances of late

Kolisi

That being said, Hooper has been absolutely  brilliant as well

Hooper

The way the Springboks play is unappealing, but they grind out wins, and one man, Siya Kolisi, has been at the forefront of that in a year where his form his probably at the best it’s ever been.

The South African loose forward unit is responsible for most of their wins this year. You could almost say they single-handedly keep them in games. Their back row strength is above any other side in the world.

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Now the reality. Here are the close tests we won this year:

Lions 3:

All Blacks 2

Wales

So Kolisi supposedly saw us through to the win….he singlehandedly kept us in the game. But there were really only 3 matches that we won which were in the balance till the end. In all three of them Kolisi was subbed. Twice we were behind when he was subbed. In the AB test we were 2 points ahead but he was subbed 24 minutes before the end, he had hardly ensured the win.

This is the kind of tripe Rugby fans are fed and believe all the time.

Etzebeth should have been nominated for player of the year.

Kolisi's best performance was the third Lions test. He did step it up, and I credited him for that, but it wasn't perfect. 

Kolisi is painfully average. Aside from the third Lions test, the very best he has produced has simply been doing very basic things. But note, they are never the job of the 6. He is a big back out of position, and his very best contributions reflect that. Maybe is he was played as a big back, I'd be saying very different things about him, but to date, Kolisi has been a flatliner who doesn't do anything any other average player couldn't do. 

Nizam Carr is twice the player Kolisi is, he just doesn’t fit the narrative.