How refreshing seeing the youngsters in action

 Jy noem hom dom???As jy dom wil sien gan kyk in spiel dan sal jy dom sien of bel jou ma en pa en vra wat hulle gedoen het.

 Okay I get it...you want to show how clever you are. Here's a simple one ....the integral of x squared between the limits one and five. Report back when you have solved it...should take but a moment.

Wow - what a game from the Boks and some individual players as well. Lovely to watch the enterprising play, ruthlessness and execution. Boks have in years past been guilty of playing down to their opponents level, but last couple years that has not been the case at all.
But lets not get ahead of ourselves and anoint anyone as a career Bok just yet based on a game against a much weaker team than last week. Funny to see those who belittled the first two Bok victories against Wales because of "weak" opposition all of a sudden giddy with joy and anointing players as demigods in a game against a much weaker opponent.
Just for comparison's sake - look at the recent pedigree of the two teams:
2011 World Cup: Wales narrowly loses in semi-final playing with 14 men. Scotland eliminated in pool stages
2012 Six Nations: Wales the victor. Scotland doesn't win a game
2013 Six Nations: Wales wins again. Scotland third
2014 Six Nations: Wales third, smashes Scotland 51-3. Scotland fifth
Lead-up to Bok games: Most of the Welsh team rested for 4-5 weeks due to no club commitments. Scotland travels the tour from hell (US - Canada - Argentina - SA on consecutive weeks).

Matey I have been on Boards for a long time, but the youth brigade on this Board are about as thick as anything I have come across. These okes never make any distinctions based on opposition....unless we field an older team in which case the opposition is always weak.

oimatey
 
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Posts: 1146RE: How refreshing seeing the youngsters in action
July 01, 2014, 02:12:23But lets not get ahead of ourselves and anoint anyone as a career Bok just yet based on a game against a much weaker team than last week. 
Funny to see those who belittled the first two Bok victories against Wales because of "weak" opposition all of a sudden giddy with joy and anointing players as demigods in a game against a much weaker opponent.

Valid point Oimatey. The performance in the 1st Wales test was probably better, and perhaps also the the game against the World XV.
Wales had some quality centres and wings. The World XV also has some good quality players.
Scotland just play a negative tactic and the rucks, and the ref did not let them get away with it, and the Boks were were good at protecting the ball and controlling the offside line at rucks.
-Pollard was the shining light of the newer players. I think it is safe to say that he is allready much better than Morne, regardless of the opposition. -Lood Dejager was also great vs both Wales and Scotland, and surely must be a starter or on the bench.
I would have him covering Matfield and Ezebeth.
-Serfontein was solid but not brilliant. 
- Hougie was average. 
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 oi-matey
Nobody wants to see a youth brigade or a geriatric brigade as the solution.  There are some more elderly players that simply does not deliver the goods anymore.   Wales this year in the 6 nations lost badly against Ireland - the eventual winners and England and was unconvincing against Italy - but they beat Scotland and France with ease.
I do not think that Wal;es in fact is the powerhouse that is being trumpeted on this site.   The fact that Meyer's first choice team got nearly unstuck against Wales in the second test was no real advertisement for the first choice team of Meyer.
One has to look at some players in that team and at th same time you have to ebar in mind that Willie le Roux played a mssive role in the Springbok victory in the first test and the fact that the srvond tes t win largely stemmed from two penalty tries as well.     The second penalty try could have been avoided if the tackle on Hndricks was l;egal and that really is a source of concenr.
If you analyse the situation in that context there are some problems and we would really lose againsts tronger opposition by a wide marfin if the basic team used against the Welsh would take on the AB's and the Wallabies.    The weaknesses clearely was in the -
*   Tight 5; and*   the flyhalf and center situation.
Although thie Scottish side is substantially weaker than they were in the 6 Nations - we must remember that Meyyer's first choice team had a torrid time last year against the Scotch and the win at Nelspruit was unconvincing and in the EOYT it was not really a case of a runaway win like on Saturday..    
There iis no ways we can leave the issue of the Tight 5 unattended and the ened fpor a changed backline s also evident.  Nobody really want a wholssale change of the team - but there are need for some adjustments.   

The clear adjustments needed are basically the result of a poor scrumming performance and the weak ball carries and other problems that was ecident in teh Tight 5.    Here the only realistic change would be to look again at the lock situation and that brings Matfield's [osition under the spotlight.  Does he do enough as a Tight 5 player or does he not.   Indications are he does not.  The other lock was Bakkies Botha.   He faded out badly in the 1 st Welsh test and was replaced at halftime.   To be quite frank Botha des not measue up anymore aand there is a huge question mark as to Matfield's physicality.   
There are also qestion marks about Janni du Plessis - but the answer does oviously not lie wth the props that played in the Scottish test.
Amngst the forwards the weakness of Alberts as a loosie was againrmphasized and the better loosie is definitely Schalk Vurger.
If we want  to be competative in the RC we the problems as mentined needs to be attended to.  I think that Meyer will have to adjust his thinking on the forward situation - which should be eased by the return of players like Etzebeth and Malherbe- but that raises question marks about the issue of the forth loose head prop - which was not satisfactorily resolved yet.   Insofar as the lock situation is concerned it rises a question - can we go into the RC with a lock with question marks about the physicality in Tight 5 exchanges of Matfield.  He was not convincing in either of the Welsh tests and definitely not against thr eerak Scottish side.   I am afraid that is the one position where we are going to become unstuck in the RC if we conti ue with Matfield.  One can only hope that Burger stays fit and that the loosies be Vermeulen, Burger and Louw would all be available in the RC.
The second issue relates to the backline.   I think that the return of De Villiers and De Allende would be of great help.   JP is a question mark case at 13.  There has been defensive problems at 13 in all three tests and this can obviously not allowed to continue.    One can only hope that De Allende provides an answer in that position. 
The other issue is the performance of Morne Steyn at flyhalf.  Morne was lukewarm in the first test and very questionable in the second test.   t is obvious that Pollard in the test on Saturdays shows remarkable maturity and elements of glyhalf play completely absent in Morne.   One only have to look at the Le Roux try on Saturday to see what I mean.
So Mozart's classification of the so-called youth brigade is a misnomer.  There are a lot of members who want to see a relativly minor number of changes in the Springbok team and in fact only three changes in respect of younger team members - namely De Allende, Pollard and De Jager. In the case of the other players there are two older players - De Billiers and Burger supported by most members.   
Some members advicate no changes to the team that plkaysed the Welsh other than to bring in De Villiers and Etzebeth.   - which to my mind leaves problems in place that will be exploited by the RC opponents.   
Bsased on Meyer;s attitude in the past - he is likely to stick with players like Morne Steyn, Willem Alberts and Matfield and that is going to cost us dearly in the RC.       
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 Saff ex
There is one question that Mozart constantly ignore and that is what makes him think that the players who failed in 2010 and 2011 will be better in 2014 than they were then.   Three years on - with the "geriatrics" three years older he expects miracles from them.   That is not going to happen and I think we can expect a bitter lesson in 2014 in the RC - unless Meyer made some drastic changes yto the side that very nearly lost to the Welsh in the second test.
Mozart and some other members dote on the past without regard to the present and that unless Meyer makes the drastic changes needed - we are in for it in the RC     .      

These posters are as conservative as our coach - its that very conservatism that has stood in the way of us ever seriously challenging the AB's for the number one spot - very sad when you think that we actually have better players than the AB's - players that never get utilised