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Hurricanes zero in on Super Rugby clash with wounded Blues - Stuff.co.nz

Started by 3ku13 REPLIES111 VIEWS· 10 Mar 2015, 01:45
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Mar 2015, 01:45
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10 Mar 2015, 01:45#1

Empathy is not the same thing as sympathy and Hurricanes forwards coach John Plumtree knows there will be no room for the latter in Palmerston North.

Plumtree saw the questions coming a mile away and was suitably prepared when asked about the ongoing woes of the 0-4 Blues and their beleaguered coach, John Kirwan.

"There aren't many experienced coaches out there who don't go through those patches. Teams go through these patches," Plumtree said. "It's the start of the season for them and they haven't gone so well but they will know it only takes that one win to kick your confidence into gear. One win leads to another and then you are away."

It was impossible not to picture Hurricanes head coach Chris Boyd smiling knowingly from his office above Rugby League Park, where a few short months after overseeing Wellington's woeful provincial season, he is being lauded for a 3-0 Super Rugby start.

The Hurricanes and Blues could not be any further apart in terms of the way they have started their Super Rugby seasons.

Where the Blues are battered and bruised after losing an arm wrestle with the Lions in Albany, the Hurricanes are rested, refreshed and full of confidence after their bye week.

As Kirwan fights for his job, Plumtree's and Boyd's biggest worry is which of their All Blacks they will rest, if any.

"Some of the All Blacks have had a week off and we've still got time, we haven't nailed down selection yet," Plumtree said. "It will be a massive conversation for us when it comes to selection. We don't know what we'll do yet."

Ironically, the Blues' dire situation may have forced a rethink after early indications this could be an early opportunity to knock off some of first five-eighth Beauden Barrett, wing Julian Savea, or hooker Dane Coles' mandatory two rest weeks.

There is little doubt the Hurricanes expect to feel the full physical force of the Blues' frustrations as they fight to keep their season afloat.


It's a massive game for us.

"It's our first Kiwi team we've played in this competition and the [New Zealand] conference is huge in terms of being successful," Plumtree said. "It gives you the easiest path through to the final, so it's a huge game for us in Palmy."

Though it is still early in the season, Plumtree knows from his time with the Sharks just how difficult it is to travel away for the playoffs.

More than that, the Hurricanes have a chance to validate their strong start by beating a New Zealand rival.

To kick the Blues while they are down, would confirm they are developing the hard edge their defensive efforts in South Africa suggested.

And against a Blues backline that is all at sea, the Hurricanes might decide resting Barrett and Savea can wait a little longer.

Whoever gets the nod, Plumtree said lock Jeremy Thrush (calf) was the only player in any doubt and that the squad were fully recovered from their South African road trip.

"We feel lucky we had that week off because we came off that travel.

"The boys were tired pretty much until Wednesday-Thursday, so we didn't have to worry about a game week. It was good to relax and spend some time with family.

"The boys were great - they showed a lot of courage and guts at certain times during those games, and everyone can be really proud of them. We wanted a big start to the season and we got it . . . we're at this point now but it's just a start, nothing to get excited about yet.

"He [Kirwan] has a good squad, he knows that. He'll work it all out, he has some good assistants there and they'll be looking to get it all together this week against us."

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Mar 2015, 03:44
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10 Mar 2015, 03:44#2
 It is very difficult to read that quoted article - the Black background and faint print makes it so.
So I am not concentrating in what is in the article - but rather what happened this year insofar as the Hurrricanes are concerned - as well as the two matches  last year between the Hurricanes and the Blues.   
The Hurricanes Performances this year 
The situation this year is that is that the Hurricanes did well on tour when they beat three teams -
*   the Lions who did better last year than they did thus far this year - but who lost against the Hurricanes despite having a possession advantage over the Hurricanes;
*   the Bulls who managed to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory; and
*   the Force - a convincing victory  -  however a team who is more or less in the same boat as the Lions thus far in Super 15.
I am not sure what will happen on Saturday - hence why I decided to have a look at the results of last year as well.

The Matches last year against the Bulls - Lions - Force
The Hurricanes played the Bulls at home beating them as well.   They did not play the Lions and Force last year.

The Matches between the Hurricanes and Blues last year
Results of the two matches were as follows:-
28 April 2014 -   Hurricanes  =  39  -  Blues 2031 May 2014 -   Blues             = 37  -  Hurricanes 24
Conclusion
I am not really sure  how strong the Hurricanes is this year compared to last year.   Not much can be read into such a comparison as they beat the Bulls at home and did not play the Lions and Force last year.   So there is really no clarity on the real performance strength of the Hurricanes this year
On the other hand the  Blues had a chronic record last year.  They beat some teams surprisingly at home and lost surprisingly away.  The Blues surprisingly lost against the Lions at home -  a bad sign insofar as this years performances thus far is concerned - but I think teams should be careful not to under-estimate the strength of the Lions and their earlier at home performance against the Hurricanes could be misleading. 
On the log the Blues ended up as no 10 on the log - the Hurricanes at no 11.
So what is going to happen in Round 5.  Based on the fact that last year the Hurricanes beat the Blues at home and that the Blues are notoriously bad travellers - the Hurricanes should beat the Blues.   
What I am driving at is that even a victory on Saturday - unless it is by a big margin - will not necessarily give us a clear message of the strength of the Hurricanes this year compared to last year.   However, the game on Saturday for the Hurricanes is important as it may indicate whether they have progressed from where they were last year - therefore  an interesting match.


      
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
10 Mar 2015, 04:24
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10 Mar 2015, 04:24#3
 Actually Mike the games on Friday, I well be going to the game . For the record The Canes last wan 3 away games in a row in 2010. So it is their best start to a season in 5 years. Critics are saying they look like the Tahs of 2015. They have a simple gameplan and they are executing perfectly. Their tight five finnally looks solid. And is giving an exciting backline a great platform. Showing good disciplin too, starting to develop a good culture. I agree early days, its all about consistency. 
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
10 Mar 2015, 08:46
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10 Mar 2015, 08:46#4
 Link to article
Canes have to make sure they defeat the Blues - sorry to say Cloudy. Canes are playing very well & have a shot of getting to the finals so no slip- ups - until they play the Chiefs that is.
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