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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Jan 2016, 21:42
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14 Jan 2016, 21:42#1
Article written by Gavib Rich on Supersport:

Those who were around in the late 1970s and 1980s may remember an advert that used to play at the cinemas and at the drive-inns, as well as on television and the radio: “You can stay as you are for the rest of your life, or you can change to Mainstay”.

It was catchy, and I well remember a university Rag magazine once doing their own take on that. They showed before and after pictures of someone who might have taken the advice that was offered – the first depicted an upstanding, well dressed individual sitting at a desk, the next showed him strewn across a gutter, a liquor bottle lying nearby.

I sometimes wonder if South African rugby administrators live in fear of that kind of change. That they are happier to muddle along with mediocrity safe in the knowledge that it will keep South African rugby middling and out of danger of falling completely off the tracks. In other words, they opt to stay as they are for the rest of their life, rather than take the risk that might be implicit in opting to go for something completely new and out of the ordinary that might galvanize the local game (not that for a moment am I suggesting there’s any positive side to liquor – it’s just the advert I’m drawing on) .

A lot of people in South African rugby are resistant to change, and I am referring to change of all sorts: the way the game is approached and played, transformation (Race based selection - of course we are resistant to this racism that means the best team is not on the park!!)and the willingness to do what other countries have done by embracing outside influence in the coaching box. (Other countries dont have transformation they simply select their best players!).

It is the dire need to step out of that trap when it comes to game-plan and outside influence that has me hoping that the approach or approaches that have reportedly been made to former Stormers coach Allister Coetzee to return from Japan to take charge of the Springboks are only part of the story.

I have nothing against Coetzee, and even predicted when he left the Stormers that he’d be back sooner than expected as coach of the national team. He is a good coach, and before his eight years of top-level experience as coach of Western Province and the Stormers, he served as an assistant coach on Jake White’s World Cup winning management team.

But the detail of Coetzee’s career in the Cape does not add up to something that suggests he is the cure for the ailments that have precipitated the drive to have Heyneke Meyer removed from his position as head coach. At least not on his own.

If you think back to how Coetzee was lambasted in the Cape media for the lack of imagination and flexibility to his team’s game-plan, then replacing Meyer, who stands pretty much accused of the same thing, with him doesn’t make so much sense. I preferred what I was hearing from some high ranking members of the Saru machinery before the Coetzee story came to light – namely that they were chasing after an overseas coach, with All Black assistant Wayne Smith the man targeted.

That, though, could still be the plan. I can’t see Smith moving to the Boks to be an assistant coach, but an experienced high-profile overseas coach as an assistant would go some way towards removing the reservations that should be in place about Coetzee taking over on his own. The Boks need a dynamic new angle and only an overseas coach who has experience of coaching the rugby that is required can do that.

It’s why to my mind John Mitchell is the only alternative to the departed Eddie Jones at the Stormers. People who tell me that Mitchell should be avoided because he’s supposedly difficult and a disciplinarian appear to be missing the point that the same things could have been said about Jones.

I’m in a difficult position when it comes to Mitchell because I worked closely with him on his book and have got to know him well subsequently and have thus seen the personal growth he has gone through since he last coached at the Lions in 2012. I still have his files at my house, and in them you can find copies of letters he wrote to people he clashed with asking for advice on how to deal with the challenges he faced in his previous coaching career should they crop up again.

Having written his book, I’m obviously also well versed on the problems that were beyond his control that led to the fall-out situations at the Lions and the Western Force. So I can’t get irritated with people who criticise him because they only know the surface of the Mitchell story.

For me, the fact that Mitchell has coached the attacking style the Stormers want to embrace, and has done it successfully at the All Blacks and at the Chiefs before that, makes him not just the top candidate for the Stormers job, but the only candidate. Unless there is another overseas coach in director of rugby Gert Smal’s sights that I don’t know about, he is the only one who fits the criteria that Smal himself spelt out.

If Mitchell didn’t get the Stormers job though he’d fit perfectly into my Bok coaching dream team as a high profile assistant coach.

It was when Rassie Erasmus was effectively the WP director of rugby, and later when Smal had assumed the same position, that Coetzee was at his best for the Stormers. His team scored a lot of tries in 2010, when the Stormers made the final and Erasmus was still working with him behind the scenes. And the attacking improvements of the WP Currie Cup team and the Stormers coincided with Smal’s arrival.

If you gave Erasmus, who possesses a rugby brain second to no-one, the job of team director and Mitchell or another top overseas coach was Coetzee’s assistant, then Coetzee could fly as a head coach and we could be optimistic about the next four-year cycle.(TRANSFORMATION AT ITS BEST - TAKE IN A MEDIOCRE COACH FOR TRANSFORMATION PURPOSES ADN THEN GET IN TWO REAL COACH ABOVE HIM AND UNDERPINING HIM! WAHTA FARCE!!)

The concept that a head coach should be developing a younger coaching group is a peculiarly South African concept. The All Black assistants aren’t young coaches being developed. They are all top experienced coaches in their own right, as are many of the other coaching groups on the international circuit. Not seeing that was one of Meyer’s biggest flaws. (I STRONGL;Y SUSPECT LOUBSCHER WAS A QUOTA APPOINTMENT FORCED ON MEYER! A LITTLE HONESTY HERE GAVIN!!!)

tHE POLITCAL SUCKING UP OF Gavin is nauseating but at least he does recognises the huge rugby brain of Rassie - highlighted by B eeno years ago.

LG
Lee GrantNewbie9 posts
15 Jan 2016, 02:21
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15 Jan 2016, 02:21#2
 Some good points by Rich there:

Some comments from an Aussie perspective:

Quota selection - many of us here see a case where this a need for it but it should not operate at the Bok level.  Have at the Currie Cup level or even Super Rugby but not in the national team.  Madness.

Wayne Smith - he got shell shocked with his tenure as head coach of the All Blacks and after a stint in England hasn't been a head coach since. I doubt if he will put himself forward to be the Head Coach of anything. However he is probably the best assistant national coach on the planet. 

Allister Coetzee - agree about his not being the best to change the Bok style of play if that is what is needed.  I hated watching Stormers games but had to.  Loved watching Willie and the Cheetahs.  One of the nicest rugby people I have met though, Allister.

Rassie Eramus - As I was reading the piece I thought of Rassie and further down I saw he was mentioned.  SA rugby needs more coaches of his type.  The trick is to create an atmosphere in the country whereby more Rassies come forward and fewer of the traditional SA coaches do .


 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jan 2016, 03:23
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15 Jan 2016, 03:23#3
 What makes Rassie a non traditional SA coach? If anything he was a gimmick coach with flashing lights aplenty.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
15 Jan 2016, 04:20
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15 Jan 2016, 04:20#4
Difference? Rassie- He appeared to have more than one brain cell- and that the Stormers had a mix of defence and attack. Neinaaber the defence coach was recruited by Erasmus
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2016, 04:33
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15 Jan 2016, 04:33#5
Rassputin  did everything he could to avoid being accountable....a classic staff man. 
DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
15 Jan 2016, 06:37
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15 Jan 2016, 06:37#6
 So apart from appointing a defence coach what else did he do or achieve?
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Jan 2016, 08:57
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15 Jan 2016, 08:57#7
 
There's a lot being said about Rassie and his so called rugby brain ... yet the proof of the pudding is in the tasting and as far as I can see he's produced nothing worthy of even mentioning.

Just a lot of hot air.

I too can stand on the roof of a stadium and flash twinkly little Morse code lights at those who should be focusing on the game instead of looking to the heavens for guidance.

Once again they want to appoint an incompetent quota in Coetzee as coach and surround him with knowledgeable people.

Typical ... give the top job to a fool and have his subordinates do it for him.

One would think that once burnt twice shy.

Wasn't Snorre and his papsak brigade lesson enough?

Seems not.

Gavin Rich ... instead of standing up against race based selections with strong articles promoting merit ... he looks to compromise with this horsesh!t ... and in doing so ends up selling out the sport and the rugby fan ... 

Thanks a lot. I most certainly hope that those in authority do not regard your voice as being that of the people. It's not.

He's just another SARU puppet being dictated to ... no more than a spineless coward betraying millions of rugby fans who've possibly looked to him ... and his position within the media, as a shining light ... a ray of hope in these dark days of the Bok.

Wish he'd just shut his pie hole.



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