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Ireland buries Wales…

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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Feb 2022, 06:42
#1
06 Feb 2022, 06:42#1

….despite botching several try scoring chances. The whole Irish backline were superb. One can’t help but thinking Sexton and Ringrose would have been a lot better than the players Gatland put his faith in on the Lions tour.


Some of the backline moves, ably orchestrated by Sexton were complex with multiple wrap around moves…opened the Wallies like a bad can of pilchards. Nice to see Ireland opting for pace and quick resets vs the CJ Stampkar era of toothless phase play,

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2022, 09:36
#2
06 Feb 2022, 09:36#2

T he Welsh club teams have been weak and the national team is going nowhere fast.   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Feb 2022, 10:09
#3
06 Feb 2022, 10:09#3

Scottie beat the Poms...Wales used up all their luck last year.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
06 Feb 2022, 12:21
#4
06 Feb 2022, 12:21#4

Nice to see Ireland opting for pace and quick resets vs the CJ Stampkar era of toothless phase play,

Not sure why you refer to it as the CJ Stampkar era it was the Joe Schmidt era and as for it being toothless it was actually very effective system with Ireland performing at level in 2018 that was good enough to beat anyone in the world. Sadly for Ireland they peaked too soon and went into decline in 2019 but still Schimdt was undoubtable Ireland's best manager. Still not going to argue that the Ireland played an exciting brand of rugby under Schimdt it wasn't and the Farrell era looked like Joe Schmidt mark II but over the last year he's oversaw Ireland's brand of rugby changing to what you saw yesterday which hopefully is just as if not more effective than Schmidt brand but a whole lot more exciting to watch.

What's more Ireland released both Robert Baloucoune and Michael Lowry back to Ulster and those two are incredible exciting and dangerous wingers/fullbacks in addition to the revelation that has been Mack Hansen. Exciting times for Irish rugby.

As for Wales, that pasting they got yesterday has been coming. They have been poor for a while and to be honest they fluked the 6 Nations last year with both Ireland and Scotland losing to them because of red cards. Their Autumn form was poor, their regional teams have been poor to average at best in the URC and awful in the Champions cup. Also missing many of their established players. Can't see them beating Scotland next weekend and will probably only beat Italy.

England where actually the slightly better team yesterday against Scotland but for all their possession they didn't do exactly a whole lot with it and a moment of stupidity cost them the game. Another team missing a load of players. Can't see them challenging for the 6 Nations on that form.

Conversely Scotland got lucky yesterday and that performance shouldn't trouble either Ireland or France, but the result might give them a great deal of confidence they can kick on from there. On paper they are probably only the 4th strongest team in the tournament but they already beat one of the teams ahead of them and surely they have to fancy beating Wales next weekend and they have France at home who they won't fear after winning Paris next next year. A little bit of luck and they could be dark horses for the tournament.





CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2022, 15:49
#5
06 Feb 2022, 15:49#5

Stav 

Congrats with a very good win by Ireland yesterday - t6hey scored the tries and that si what counts in the game of rugby.    

Very good assessment of the real situation  as to Irish rugby - individual players play an assigned role - but the game plan is determine by the coach and his assistants.    I think Ireland has only France to compete with in the 6-Nations this year.

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2022, 15:49
#6
06 Feb 2022, 15:49#6

Stav 

Congrats with a very good win by Ireland yesterday - t6hey scored the tries and that si what counts in the game of rugby.    

Very good assessment of the real situation  as to Irish rugby - individual players play an assigned role - but the game plan is determine by the coach and his assistants.    I think Ireland has only France to compete with in the 6-Nations this year.

.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Feb 2022, 15:49
#7
06 Feb 2022, 15:49#7

Stav 

Congrats with a very good win by Ireland yesterday - t6hey scored the tries and that si what counts in the game of rugby.    

Very good assessment of the real situation  as to Irish rugby - individual players play an assigned role - but the game plan is determine by the coach and his assistants.    I think Ireland has only France to compete with in the 6-Nations this year.

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SE
SebPro2,680 posts
06 Feb 2022, 17:38
#8
06 Feb 2022, 17:38#8

" I think Ireland has only France to compete with in the 6-Nations this year."

So do I.

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
06 Feb 2022, 17:51
#9
06 Feb 2022, 17:51#9
Well at the moment Italy is leading France....Maybe upset coming..England had a lot of possession, but could not turn it into points.....Scotland played well and deserve to win. Ireland is a solid rugby nation and they have proved they can beat any team on the day..can’t wait for Boks to get back to action...would have been nice to have Ireland tour SA or France instead of lions again.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Feb 2022, 01:37
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07 Feb 2022, 01:37#10

There was no upset.  On Superbru I predicted that France would w in by 27 points,   The final score was France 37 - Italy 10. so Bingo - my prediction was  100% correct.    

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Feb 2022, 11:36
#11
07 Feb 2022, 11:36#11
Well done Mike...it’s a Bingo
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2022, 16:11
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07 Feb 2022, 16:11#12
The CJ era under Schmidt produced a winning Irish side. None of the current Irish loosies are any more dynamic or less confrontational than CJ was - he was a class act and great servant to Irish rugby as was Schmidt their coach. Good old Farrell has proved nothing yet. But I did like the way the Irish backs used a different method of keeping the ball alive. It was a subtle change which worked. The Irish 9 was great at keeping up the tempo and dictating the flow of the attack. Moving Porter to loosehead given they have Furlong at 3 is a great move. I think that was one of those games where Wales just had an off day and could do nothing right
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:03
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07 Feb 2022, 21:03#13
This new Irish rugby is so much more enjoyable than seeing the small prop that was Stampkar charging into the first tackler and getting dumped 25 times a game.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:05
#14
07 Feb 2022, 21:05#14

I see Wales is touring South Africa in July...3 tests, etc...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:17
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07 Feb 2022, 21:17#15

You can’t  say Harrassmiss isn’t lucky. Oops I forgot Kneeknocker is the coach, except when we win of course. So I guess Harrassmiss will be the coach against Wales.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:24
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07 Feb 2022, 21:24#16

Wales plays Rassieball almost as well as the Boks...they will always run us close, even when they're not at their best...would have preferred a visit from Scottie,

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:25
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07 Feb 2022, 21:25#17
CJ was better than any of the current Irish loosies No coach has ever been a cyber coach except in fictional movies What happens when mighty Ireland get smacked by England and France this 6N?
MO
MoonroverPro1,973 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:32
#18
07 Feb 2022, 21:32#18

Ireland go play 3 against NZ too

England tour Aussie,duc king NZ again. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Feb 2022, 21:58
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07 Feb 2022, 21:58#19

Historically NZ was a cut above. Now the Boks, England, Ireland, Australia and France  can all beat the ABs on any given day. We have 6 teams at the top of world rugby. 

And the Boks won’t emerge as the clear leader unless we learn how to use the ball. That role deserved or not, is still given to NZ by the press and fans around the world. 

Any of the other top 5 teams that can achieve parity in the scrums has more than a 50% chance to beat the Boks.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Feb 2022, 22:45
#20
07 Feb 2022, 22:45#20

What happens when mighty Ireland get smacked by England and France this 6N?

Sure England and France can beat Ireland particularly as they are playing at home but on current form I can't see them "smacking" Ireland. France-Ireland games have been very tight over the last few years, usually not more than one score between them.

As an Irishman, last weekend was nothing but positive for us. My only fear was Wales where so bad they made us look better than we are. I actually think Italy gave France more of a challenge than Wales did to us. Still if we can't be confident going to Paris this weekend we never well be. Should be a cracking game.

Also am really looking forward to the 3 game tour of New Zealand. Winning at home to NZ is one thing, winning away against NZ is another, but its the next step for us, gotta believe we can win that series.


QS
Queensland SupporterClub Pro115 posts
07 Feb 2022, 23:44
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07 Feb 2022, 23:44#21

Ireland will hammered in NZ.

Ireland have peaked too early before the world cup.

NZ are a long way from their peak.     

CR
CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
08 Feb 2022, 00:34
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08 Feb 2022, 00:34#22

And we won't peak until Foster is given the heave ho.

Even with all the interruptions to test rugby the AB's have been appalling. Got talent to burn but they just look a poorly coached team with shit game plans and shit selections.

Hansen ran out of steam and bringing in Hansen V2.0 (Foster) only compounded the problem, unless there is a miracle 2023 is a right off.

ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Feb 2022, 00:37
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08 Feb 2022, 00:37#23
No way you could know that. For example Ireland peaked in 2018 but collapsed in the 2019 6 Nations. Even if that happens again they should still hold their form through the summer tour to NZ this year.
As for NZ, who knows if they current crop of players is at the same level as previous All Black teams. Sure didn't seem that way in 2021.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Feb 2022, 04:24
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08 Feb 2022, 04:24#24

NZ and SA have with rare exceptions been able to beat NH tourists in the forward exchanges. England bested NZ  with the pack that went on to win the WC. For Ireland to beat NZ at home over a 3 test series, they would have to do it in the forwards. It’s hard to see that happening although I agree with Sader that Foster is a gift to the opposition.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Feb 2022, 06:47
#25
08 Feb 2022, 06:47#25

It will be a big ask for Ireland to beat NZ at home...even just 1 out of 3 will be an achievement...

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Feb 2022, 06:50
#26
08 Feb 2022, 06:50#26

We are playing according to Mozart traditional SA rugby at pressent - kick the ball till the leather comes off is according to him traditional SA Rugby.   That is why is totally clueless when ti comes to rugby performance.

In the thread he started off by attacking Stander - normal B - the man was not even playin g - but he cannot help himself.   Now it is back to Erasmus - his other pet hate - and Nienaber.   He does not even know what Erasmus role entails in SA Rugby - and since Erasmus took over the Sevens - who also falls under him has improved.    Erasmus is also in charge of the head coaches of the provincial franchises and that includes Jake White.   The latter is still using the most useless flyhalf ever - who according to Mozart was the pivot playing "traditional SA Rugby", but was useless as a flyhalf when it came to backline play  and the Bulls have not done this year as well as they did last year.

What can be done is just to ignore Lord F-no-nothing and see what happen this year when it comes to test rugby and forget about the prejudiced BSter on site.           

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
08 Feb 2022, 08:59
#27
08 Feb 2022, 08:59#27

The trouble with playing Ireland is that indeed most, if not all overlook, is ol' Murphy...he has a habit of sneaking around the corner even when the best conditions and preparations have been made and his law sends everything into reverse...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Feb 2022, 21:18
#28
08 Feb 2022, 21:18#28

Murphy? Almost like Van der Merwe?

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