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Ireland lose again against a physical opponent.

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES851 VIEWS· 24 Feb 2020, 00:20
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Feb 2020, 00:20
#1
24 Feb 2020, 00:20#1

The Irish were fragile in the scrums, indecisive on the kicks including two tries gifted to the Poms....and incapable of fashioning any backline penetration. It’s a movie we have seen several times in the last year.


There are chronic issues in this Irish team. Murray has gone from the best scrum half in  the world at the time of the Lions’ tour, to a pretty ordinary player.


Sexton is worse, bumbling and increasingly edgy....he was the root cause of Ireland’s issues today....missed kicks, a gifted Pom try, inept tactical kicking and inability to stop Tuilangi without help.


Then there is the sterile Stamp....he made so many runs.....17in fact. But beat only 1 tackle, and gained only 18 metres. And he coughed up the ball 4 times. He is a cul de sac. And some of the other stalwarts like O’Mahoney are showing their age.


Not that the newbies are much better. Furlong had a torrid day in the scrums and Stockdale was  almost Sexton’s blundering equal. Failing to put  May into touch off a high kick right against the touch line......led to the first try. His ambling indecisive run back to cover Ford’s kick led to the second.


Ireland are in deep trouble against all but lesser teams.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
24 Feb 2020, 02:34
#2
24 Feb 2020, 02:34#2

Bad day at the office alright

Murray's form in the first 2 game was arguably enough to warrant his inclusion for this game but he had a mare today and Cooney really should be now the starting scrum half for Ireland.

Sexton also had a terrible day but today may have been a one off. He hasn't shown a consistent dip in form for club or country unlike Murray. Yes he was completely out of sorts today, but the try he gifted was just an unlucky bounce of the ball. Tuilangi is rather hard to tackle for anyone let alone a fly half.

You really don't like Stander do you? O'Mahoney did as well as Irishman out there today, not that it says a whole lot.

Furlong and Stockdale ain't new at this stage. We got mauled at the scrum and Stockdale was at fault for the second try. He always been suspect defensively though.

I'm not as pessimistic about our long term prospects. We have the players as our clubs demonstrate. New manager needs to be given time. James Lowe will be available from the Autumn and he will be an utterly lethal addition to the backline.








sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
24 Feb 2020, 03:39
#3
24 Feb 2020, 03:39#3
The Irish were outplayed today, but they have less player depth to rotate with out of form players- giving their population is less than a 10th of England.
The Murray Sexton combination has gone from the best combination to implement a tactical kicking game in world rugby into a rabble. The forwards are not winning collisions, so Murray is not getting the best platform to work off.

The outside backs are very average, so playing a more attacking brand of rugby is limited. James Lowe should be a good edition to give firepower out wide.
Wee CJ is strong against the smaller packs, but he is no threat against a powerful pack getting quick ball
The first 2 tries conceded by the Irish were embarrassing. The bounces were not great, but it looked like schoolboy errors. Surely the cover could have been faster. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
24 Feb 2020, 07:26
#4
24 Feb 2020, 07:26#4
"Not that the newbies are much better. Furlong had a torrid day in the scrums and Stockdale was  almost Sexton’s blundering equal."
Tadhg Furlong and Jacob Stockdale are "newbies"?
LMAO!
Talk about exposing your massive ignorance!
Furlong with 44 caps must be the most capped "newbie" of all time! He's also a "newbie" with 3 British and Irish Lions caps. Jacob Stockdale with his 28 caps (and 16 international tries) a distant second.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Feb 2020, 09:11
#5
24 Feb 2020, 09:11#5

Lets get this straight - the fact is that Ireland needs badly a new half back combination.   Sexton is way over the hill already and that he has shown consistently over the last year,   He had a mirror -image over the weekend and that is he looks like a fellow mid-thirty flyhalf  - our very dear old Morne,  I think he is overdue for replacement - at that age a dip in form is NEVER recovered.

Is there no Romain Ntamack coming  through in Irish Rugby,  Urgent search really necessary,   I also think that Stav is right - people must give the new management a chance oi find their feet,  Ireland two years ago was top range - the their top players were reaching retirement age and replacements were not given enough games to set themselves in.

The same happened in SA Rugby and cricket,   Our dear Idiot Speaker revolted against any idea of searching for replacements of the elderly and the fact is that Erasmus did a complete renovation and change in game plan and the Springboks are back on top.   I gained the impression that in cricket Boucher is trying to do the same - and is casting out a net looking for players,   They are trying out the elderly and more experienced players first and I think that the net will be cast wider in future.

The problem is that Ireland did not do enough to bring in players from abroad in the past to augment resources - they are talking about Lowe as one and Stander has been around for years,  They should target more players like Lowe - who should have been in the AB squad and missed out,   There are others like him around in the Southern hemisphere that could be usable by the Irish,   Look for instance at the situation in all of NZ, SA, the Pacific  and even Argentina for possible candidates.

People will say I am wrong about this - but in the case of England in their WC squad and playing regularly for England were 8 players borne outside  of the British Isles.  Even in the French team on Saturday both their locks were from SA,                    

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
24 Feb 2020, 12:27
#6
24 Feb 2020, 12:27#6
Stander is "bog ordinary" to quote a rugby noob! 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2020, 00:54
#7
25 Feb 2020, 00:54#7
Wee CJ at 115kg good one Shark you ignorant fool 18m gained in contact is good CJ was good
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
25 Feb 2020, 01:24
#8
25 Feb 2020, 01:24#8
Wee CJ is only 6 foot tall, which is small for a loose forward- particularly in SA.
Malcolm Marx is 1kg less than Stander, but he is obviously much stronger than wee Stander. 
Imagine is so was so easy to assess a players strength by their exact weight. Then we could all have a list of players weights and profess to be experts by assembling a team with a strong bias to weight and age.All players could be capped based on weight to ensure that they do not play for any foreign country...
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2020, 03:01
#9
25 Feb 2020, 03:01#9
Listen here you idiot he weighs 115kg that is not small fucking wake up He is 6’1 Marx is actually heavier at 118kg
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
25 Feb 2020, 04:00
#10
25 Feb 2020, 04:00#10
Listen, dummy, it is clear you had no understanding how short wee CJ is.He is just over 6.05- so he is barely over 6'0     (6.069554)

Meyer wanted to move him to hooker because he is too short for a loose forward in South Africa. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Feb 2020, 09:46
#11
25 Feb 2020, 09:46#11
Looks like this thread is descending into another of those arguments about whether a player is a centimetre shorter or taller or a kilogram lighter or heavier . . . when the real issue is the fact that the original post was written by someone who is so ignorant of Irish rugby and so completely out of touch with the players that he thinks 44 cap Tadhg Furlong and 28 cap Jacob Stockdale are "newbies" . . . yet he still feels the need to opine on a subject that he clearly knows nothing about.
You guys can continue bickering over a centimetre or a kilogram if you like, to me that pales into insignificance when compared with the absurdity and arrogance of someone who's never heard of players who have not only been regulars of the Irish team for 5 and 3 years respectively, but have been among the key players of that Irish team for all those years . . . and the same ignorant rugby noob (who has done a bit of a deep dive on this thread) is so pompous and self-important that he wants to lecture the rest of us on the problems of the current Irish team!
LMAO!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Feb 2020, 10:13
#12
25 Feb 2020, 10:13#12

Mozart  has gone quiet on the issue of England being easily beaten and the Springboks beating them in the WC does not mean they are worthy of being the holders of the Webb-Ellis trophy.  That type of tripe is all that he can come up with,    

Now the fact that England beating Ireland suddenly means England is not such a weak team as he stated previously.   In any event the world rankings after the weekend games - that is on 24 February 2020 are as follows:-

1 (?1) South Africa 94.19 (~0.00) 2 (?2) New Zealand 92.11 (~0.00) 3 (?3) England 88.25 (~0.00) 4 (?4) Ireland 84.91 (~0.00) 5 (?5) France 83.86 (~0.00) 6 (?6) Wales 82.79 (~0.00) 7 (?7) Australia 81.90 (~0.00) 8 (?8) Scotland 79.55 (~0.00) 9 (?9) Japan 79.28 (~0.00) 10 (?10) Argentina 78.31

France is catching up rapidly with Ireland and if they beat Ireland in the present series they are likely to take over the nr 4 ranking from Ireland.      

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2020, 10:54
#13
25 Feb 2020, 10:54#13
Meyer never wanted to move him to hooker you lying prick he ignorantly maintained CJ was not big enough to play test rugby, that would be the CJ that weighs 115kg, we know where useless Meyer ended up. 1.85m is 6’1 you stupid prick And height counts for fuck all when playing 6 or 8, your 7 needs to be a big tall lump Nice to be of service as always
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
25 Feb 2020, 12:15
#14
25 Feb 2020, 12:15#14
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C. J. Stander - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org › wiki › C._J._Stander
He later revealed that one of the reasons for his move was that he was considered to be too small to be a South Africa international. Left with the options of leaving the country or switching to hooker, Stander recalls "I just made the decision easy and said, 'Well boys, I'll pack up my stuff and leave'.

CJ Stander, "High Level Coach in SA told me to move to hooker"

www.gritsports.co.za › 2016/02/12 › c-j-stander-high-level-coach-in-s...
12 Feb 2016 - 'I don't want to single people out but I was told by someone coaching at a high level that I was too small [to play loose forward] and that I should ...

Six Nations 2016: Irish eyes smiling on CJ Stander - Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk › sport › rugbyunion › international › ireland › Si...12 Feb 2016 - Flanker is the go-to man after adopted South African's impressive debut. ... Carrying expectations: CJ Stander was a tower of strength for Ireland in ... was advised instead to move to hooker if he wanted a future at Test level.

CJ Stander sizes up his early detractors and just powers on

www.irishtimes.com › sport › rugby › international › cj-stander-sizes-...
17 Mar 2016 - CJ Stander in action during Ireland's training session at Carton House on ... to play backrow for the Springboks, urging him to switch to hooker.

'I lost a lot of friends' - CJ Stander feels vindicated over Ireland ...

www.independent.ie › Sport › Rugby › Six Nations
11 Mar 2018 - South Africa-born back-rower CJ Stander has admitted NatWest 6 ... into a hooker, believing him too small to cope as a Test back-row forward.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
25 Feb 2020, 12:24
#15
25 Feb 2020, 12:24#15
Only having one tall loose forward would give limited options at the back of the lineout. Usually, the 7 and 8 can jump. How can wee fat Stander jump given he is only 6.0. 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2020, 18:44
#16
25 Feb 2020, 18:44#16
He is 6’1 and used in the Irish line outs you ignorant twit Oh so now he is fat - could you get more childish?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,236 posts
25 Feb 2020, 19:09
#17
25 Feb 2020, 19:09#17

Other than a specialist fetcher, 6.0 is a midget for a loose forward. He is a decent player, but surplus to requirements in SA. He may well have been better as a hooker, given his weight to height ratio

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
25 Feb 2020, 23:17
#18
25 Feb 2020, 23:17#18
Do you get a kick out of lying saying the guy is 6ft? He is a great loss to SA rugby thanks to dumbfucks like yourself telling the world that at 115kg and 6’1 he is too small to play as a loosie Fucking idiot
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