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Ireland will be pushing 30 on average by the RWC

Started by Mozart19 REPLIES858 VIEWS· 18 Feb 2015, 05:28
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2015, 05:28
#1
18 Feb 2015, 05:28#1

They are 28.9 years now and will be 29.5 by the RWC....on average. And they are the form NH team. 


Why are Ireland winning, beating Oz, the Boks and France in recent months? These are tough guys....competitors. They are smart and battle hardened. There are no passengers.


And here we are wringing our hands about a few players in their thirties. Ireland has 5 of them. 


Sure every player over thirty has to assessed for continuing fitness and stamina....but we would be far worse without our experienced players. Time to learn from Ireland.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2015, 06:57
#2
18 Feb 2015, 06:57#2
 Mozart
What few players are you talking about when referring to us:  "And here we are wringing our hands about a few players in their thirties"?
You are talking about in the case of the Irish as "These are tough guys....competitors. They are smart and battle hardened. There are no passengers."   I for one do not mind to have players over 30 in the team if they meet your statement as highlighted.   What I do mind is having passengers playing purely on reputation and not being tough and battle-hardened in the team.   Here we have players like Matfield and Jannie du Plessis - who were badly shown up as otherwise  -  in all games played in 2014 and even there first game in 2015.   Even a player like De Villiers was sub-standard performance wise in 2014 before his injury.
I would not mind having tough and battle-hardened players in the team - irrespective of age - but then they must make a contribution to the game - and that is where the difference is.   You always go on about age of players and experience/reputation - but you seem to be unable to deal with the performances requirement which should be coupled to age and reputation.        
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Feb 2015, 08:49
#3
18 Feb 2015, 08:49#3
 
Hell of thing when your priority in team selection is to first seek out the old, the tired and the done for.

Hell of a thing when 90% of ones posts revolve around marketing the elderly ... fighting passionately to convince others that they're still worthy contributors to society.

Is getting old really that dreadful?

Perhaps it's just an individual or two suffering from gerascophobia.

I can honestly say that I'm enjoying growing older. I wouldn't want to return to my forties, nor my thirties ... in fact not even my twenties.



JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Feb 2015, 09:02
#4
18 Feb 2015, 09:02#4
Mozart statistical analysis reveals that if an average age of 30 is good 60 would be twice as good, he predicts a win for pensioners in the RWC in 2015.

That would mean that his mate CleverMike has a shot at making the team!
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Feb 2015, 09:13
#5
18 Feb 2015, 09:13#5
Remember, the laaities still don't know, what they don't know .
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 12:26
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18 Feb 2015, 12:26#6

I'll tell you why......read O'Driscoll's autobiography......he says that S c h m I d t is by far the best coach he has ever played under.......but saying that the Boks lost to them thanks to our pathetic coach who is nowhere near in the same league as Schmidt and is clueless when it comes to selections.

 

As for Ireland, they are at best solid. England will beat them this 6N and they wont challenge in the WC. They lack class acts in that side.

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Feb 2015, 12:31
#7
18 Feb 2015, 12:31#7
 And that may just backfire on them.
Have you seen any of the 6 Nations ? They have been poor as yet. Yes, they will up their game when England come to town but they looked very shaky indeed, mentally, after the French match. I don't think I recall seeing Paul O'Connell look like that in all these years I've watched him play.Without Sexton, they went into panic mode yet again and he is, understandably, far from his best. Who knows, his best might even be over ? 

So, before you start lauding the old heads of Ireland......look at their performances now and see where they are at in a few weeks time even. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 12:49
#8
18 Feb 2015, 12:49#8

Yeah there is nothing special in that side bar some good players like Bowe, Zebo, Sexton, Murray, Heaslip and O'Connell......the rest are solid to average.

 

What they do have is a rugby master as a coach. By all accounts a great rugby brain and a masterful tactician.  

 

France look decidedly bloody average this year

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Feb 2015, 14:18
#9
18 Feb 2015, 14:18#9
 Heaslip will be out for a good number of weeks niw with his back fractures, so they are missing him. I think he has not been at his best for a while anyway and I rate him highly. 
As for their Coach, I see no progression from the Autumn. I'm sure he will wish to stir up some passion for the game against us, but he has to counter that with a good game plan. 

France have been dismal for a good long while. They need to pull themselves together really, but I don't mind too much if they don't ! 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 15:16
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18 Feb 2015, 15:16#10

I don't care what you see in terms of the coach.....I will take BOD's word for it as he should know given he is one of the best players that has ever played the game. He has far less to work with than England and the Boks and he is producing good results.

 

That Kiwi knows his stuff......he is twice the coach useless Meyer and Lancaster are.....both crap at their trades  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2015, 15:29
#11
18 Feb 2015, 15:29#11
Hahahaha......you pull the chain and the toilet flushes  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 15:36
#12
18 Feb 2015, 15:36#12
Moz I'm guessing the same applies to your toilets at home?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2015, 16:05
#13
18 Feb 2015, 16:05#13

On a good day Dave....yep they do. Still,  it's interesting to see how information is discarded. I only post about old players....our old players aren't as good as their old players.....they aren't that good really.....by the RWC they will be toast.....it's all the coach.

 

 

Nope....none of that is true and it's not the real learning here. This is just another data point among the many that show great rugby teams are closer to 30 than 25 in average age. Because experience, nerve and strength are huge factors in test rugby.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2015, 16:07
#14
18 Feb 2015, 16:07#14
 Mozart
Remember I asked a q uestion  - do you ever look at the performances of the older players you constantly support - I mean look objectively and not on a biased basis?
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Feb 2015, 16:18
#15
18 Feb 2015, 16:18#15
 Saffex....shut up !! And stop being so damned rude !! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 16:37
#16
18 Feb 2015, 16:37#16

Are you saying O'Driscoll is speaking crap regarding the Irish coach.

 

What I do know is that their older players are no better than our older players.......all are liabilities really.

 

Difference is, we have an abundance of young talent to replace these worthless old boys, something Ireland does not have.

 

Therein lies the difference.

 

If the Irish coach had the Bok talent at his disposal, the average age of his side would not be nearing 30 - its Meyer's incompetence that has us stuck in the dark ages.

 

Meyer is useless.....5 out of 9 confirms that......it will get worse the longer he stays. Sadly we are stuck with this clueless man for the WC, but post WC he will be toast  

BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Feb 2015, 18:54
#17
18 Feb 2015, 18:54#17
No, I am saying that I do not think that Ireland have progressed since the Autumn campaign. That is my opinion.  I am also not going to join in with worshipping the new found deity that is O'Driscoll....I am quite frankly getting sick of the sight of him on BT Sport, as it happens, and his biased views regarding the Euro Cup.
And there is no need to be be insulting to me simply for expressing my opinion. I have never resorted to insulting you for expressing yours. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2015, 19:28
#18
18 Feb 2015, 19:28#18
That was aimed at Moz  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2015, 19:57
#19
18 Feb 2015, 19:57#19
Oh that's okay then.  
BE
becsPro4,378 posts
18 Feb 2015, 20:22
#20
18 Feb 2015, 20:22#20
I was referring to your initial comment that was aimed at me.  
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