Is Rassie diluting the bok jersey - Rassie wants 4 boks in every position

Balls as per normal. Erasmus biggest career misstake was to pick Fourie as part of the squad to be a back-up as a hooker, He failed miserably in line0-out throw-ins and tr he Sprngboks lost all the line-outs he trew in the ball. That played as bg a role as the absence of Cade did. Aside from that there were two Springbok players yellow-carded and that means another20 minutes where the number of players were equal.

Mozart has totally deluded ideas about rugby - his only real believe is that kicking at goal and making kicks from hand is all that is expected from flyhalfs - his hero at flyhalf used to be Morne Steyn and he did not understand that Erasmus had to save Pollard's career after Meyer tried to turn him into a kicking dummy.

and tr he Sprngboks lost all the line-outs he trew in the ball

Lost 5, won 4, and 3 of the losses where NZ stole perfectly accurate throws need a little more analysis than just blaming the hooker.

Try, just once, to make a point without resorting to lies and misinformation.

Can anyone tell me what was the longest winning streak that Rassies team had over the last 7 years since he has been with the boks. I think he blew his chances last year to remain unbeaten but he then gave it away against Argentina and Ireland. The last Irish game was tough but we should have won that game it was Manie that can't play in the wet and a drop goal. The Argentina game was a very poor decision.

This is the stuff that pisses me off.

I just never feel that we can claim we are the best and dominate like the Kiwi, Irish or England where they put together a proper run.

We get to the world cups and lose at least one game and then scrape through the rest of the games. Casting serious doubt.

I want us to be the undisputed champions of the world

Can anyone tell me what was the longest winning streak that Rassies team had over the last 7 years since he has been with the boks.

Two streaks of 7:

From beating Namibia in the RWC 2019 to losing the first test against the BIL in 2021.

And then the current streak of 7 that started with beating Argentina in Nelspruit on 28 Sept 2024. We have only faced Scotland, England, a terrible Wales, Italy x2 and Georgia in this streak, and likewise the 2019 streak included Namibia, Italy, Canada and Japan.

So if we beat Aus on Saturday it will be a record streak of 8 for Rassie.

According to the above comments the Springbks did not wn the 2023 RWC and is a useless team coached by ab idiot coach. Amazing site wisdom. Only problem - they have normally only their own prejudiced opinions to substaniate their statements,

According to the above comments the Springbks did not wn the 2023 RWC

Again, no one said any such thing. Stop acting like a butthurt child.

I'm more concerned about the streak of 4 vs the Alblacks coming to an end...

1937 - 1949 we had a streak of 6...after that Snôr managed a streak of 3...for perspective...

Or the streak of 4 against the Aussies.

Between 2011 and 2014 the All Blacks had two streaks of 16 and 17 respectively - both weirdly ended by a draw against Australia. In 2015-2016 they had an 18 streak ended by Ireland in Chicago.

Trud

there were shitty calls for both teams.

we’ve often been robbed too. Think Bryce Lawrence…

What teams? South Africa benefited from dubious calls in every game versus a major team. Versus Scotland (potential red card for a high tackle, on the same day, similar offenses were punished in other games by a red card and a yellow card, South Africa nothing), against Ireland (left prop walked inadvertently on the hand of a guy lying on the ground, red card) against France ( a head butt was edited out of the replay, first time ever seen a manipulation done like this in a rugby card, head butt involved the same both players as in a previous game and that was troublesome), and against NZ (the TMO signalling a forward pass that went through the main referee's radar but outside TMO prerogatives)

Not a single team has had similar favours from the referees in this World Cup. SARU declared no money was left before the WC. Something had to be done.

a Kwagga jackal where he had his hands on the deck. They were all marginal.

How funny. So basically, the action that gave the winning penalty kick is all marginal. Liberal thinking. It is only marginal when compared to the violent actions SA was given a free pass for.

Pakie

I really like to see what rubbish you come up with on site. I reffered to the try scored by De Allende which both you and Mozart totally ignored and when I pointed out exactly what happened you try supported by Mozart to cancel out the actual try by making a statement of De Allende being tackled in the build up to the try and actually scored the try himself,

In most test matches played there is what is called he bounce of the ball that influence test outcomes, Very few kickers develop kicking technqus like Sacha does to cause a different bounce of balls by the way he kicks being hit by his foot differently whe he kicks balls . It impacts n both the direction and height of bounces. I said it is rare - I do not thnk Pollard ever develop that technique - and Mozart's previous hero Morne did not know the difference between aimless BS and strategic kicks at all, So even bounce of the ball can be inlueced by the way the ball is kicked, That was he difference between for instance Dan Carter and Morne

I will give you another example where the outcome of a match was inflenced by kicking at goal. In the Durban test in 1997 against the Lions the Springboks scored three tries and Honiball (normally a very reliable goal kicker) missed all three conversion as well as two penalty kicks at goal. The Lions won by conversion of five penalties and kcicing of a drop kick, So who was blmmed for losing the match? Not the goakicker who missed all his 5 kcks at goal - none of which were difficult kicks - the coach got blamed for the loss,

The moral of the story is that goal kickers has on and off days of goalkicking. In the 2019 final Mozart had a string of players who were wining the match for the Springboks his first comments were Beast won the fnal for the Springboks - his second one was Mostert for making 14 tackles - not process tackles made by any player he hates - but also showed a bugger up when the Springboks were attacking. In that test Pollard missed his first penalty kick at goal and later in th match Farrell did the same,

In essense the fact you people totally ignored is that goal-kicking opportunities are created by other people and not by the kicker himself - in fact it happens only when the kicker scored tries themself or had a try-assist where a try was scored - both very rare occurences - never in the case of Morne Steyn after 2012 and much less by Pollard who in all tests he played in scored only 8 tries - but quite frequently by Carter, So the idea that goalkickers all on their own win test matches is a supreme farce.

Dave is correct - the claims like goalkickers win matches all n their own is supreme childish BS. They are at best a cog in te wheel - not the wheel itself, Accurate goalkicking can inluence match outcomes and often did - but to claim that goalkickers all on their own win matches is a superficial farce,

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Uncle, I think you’re overcomplicating this while also missing the simple truth.

Yes nobody is saying a goal kicker “wins a match all on their own.” Rugby is a team sport, and points only happen because someone created the opportunity in the first place, whether it’s a turnover, a line break, or sustained pressure. We agree on that.

But here’s the thing, in tight tests, the kicker is often the difference between winning and losing because their accuracy decides whether those opportunities turn into points. The rest of the team can graft for 78 minutes, but if the kicker can’t slot the points, all that hard work can go unrewarded. That doesn’t make the kicker “the wheel", but it makes them a critical cog.

Your 1997 Durban example actually proves the point. The Boks did the hard work to score three tries and win penalties but missed kicks by Honnibal cost the game.

Same with Dan Carter versus Morne. Carter’s superior kicking under pressure often swung the Results. That’s why coaches put so much emphasis on having a dependable marksman.

In Short:

1. The Team creates Scoring chances.
2. The Kicker determines if those chances pay of.
3. Remove either part, and you don’t win.

It’s not about giving kickers all the credit, it’s about acknowledging their impact when it matters most.

So the idea that goalkickers all on their own win test matches is a supreme farce.

Tell that to Richie and Jordie who missed two kicks in a row between them in the final with the score at 11-12. The "team" scored the try, the "team" won the penalty, but the "team" still lost because their kickers didn't convert. As MP says, no one is saying kickers win test matches "all on their own", but when the clutch kick is what stands between you and victory or loss at the end, how can you even think to deny their importance?

KC

Now let me explain something to you about long strings of wins in test matches, In the case of the Springboks were in 1997-98 when they won 17 tests in a row, The first of those were against the Ausies when the Sringbks bea them by the highest score ever under Du Plessis and the other 16 under Mallett,

Du Plessis stated opinion was that scoring of tries by the Springboks became a rarity and badly so with the wins being based only on tight 5 domination that was the norm from 1992 onwards, Du Plesss started a new approach by picking players with more ablity to perform than the extenson of the Tight 5 to the loosies, That new approach required the selection of players capable to score tries as well which was necessary to be consistent in winnng tests, He started developing a squad that was aimed at scoring more tries, but in the first few testes under him the players were not ready to win the matches despte scoring tries. However - when he was replaced by Mallett he added 3 players to the squad and moved Montgomery to play at full back. That squad enabled the Boks winning 16 tests in a row, The problem arose when Mallett was faced wth another problem and that was replacing players who wanted to end their playing careers and he made a major flop by firing Teichmann as captain and he ended his coaching in 2000 after being a total disaster in finding players to replace the Du Plesss choices in 1997.

Mallett was followed by two real disasters as coaches and came along White - who turned out to be back to the tight 5 extension to 8 and never even planned on anything ever about the need to score tries, He started off by the Springboks, the All Blacks and Wallabies each winning 2 tests in the 2004 RC and the Sprngboks won the trophy by point difference of 3 points, So back to an 8 man Tight 5 that was the real case under him. If there was a case where the Springboks won an RWC by luck it as in 1997 - whe the Springboks never played a single match agasnt a team ranked above then in the rankings and he brought in Jones into the coaching squad to try and helped the team on that issue.- but then reverted back to the old situation where plannng of ways and maans to score tries were abandoned totally and even John Smit in his book claimed there were no provision made for scoring of tries in planning of the final match.

In his wisdom Mozart called that BS Traditional SA rugby. De Villiers knew nothing about any coaching and team mananaged in 2008 to beat he All Blacks and after that the real collapse started culmianting in the Springbok failure in the 2011 WC. Meyer was a disaster as coach and was never criticized because the Springboks played what Moazrt called "Traditional Springbok Rugby" - but the Springboks never even had a three match winning streak I can remember.

What is not surprising is that all of White, De Villers, Meyer and Coetzee were fired because of rank incompetence as coaches because they were all coaching :"Traditional Springbok Rugby" to be played by the Springboks. What was not surprinsg was that -

1. Whte was effectively fired on that basis of play 4 times; and
2. both Meyer and Coetzee was fired twice becaus of rank coaching incompetence,

Mozart prove is real story when it became known that SARU appointed Erasmus as coach ny stating that SARU should rather have retained Coetzee as head coach instead of appointing Erasmus, He based his statemet on lies about Erasmus career since 2006 and that remains his problem ever since - he always find a reason to attack Erasmus and the success of the Springboks were all assigned to "lucky wins".

Le me be quite frank - Erasmus is human and make mistakes in team selection as well. In plain language he makes BS selections fom time to time that cause Springbok losses and I have criticized sp,e team selections myself but those losses were nt embarrassments and by small margins lack of real and efficient performances is why I am critical of te selections of Libbok and Esterhuizen for tomorrows test,

There is another issue that I belive is misunderstood by people is the fact that Erasmus keep some players in his squad aimed not at playing in tests - but for advising younger on techniues they have shown excellence in during their careers. He in fact started a new way to develop coaches in SA and introduced a much les mentioned pogram for development of playes into coaching careers, Potemtial coaches that is part of the develpent prgram is Le Roux, Pollard, Etzebeth, Malherbe and Kolisi, Some players who could be developing coaches - like Du Toit is not interested since he wants to go farming when ending his playing career, It is likely that De Allende will also end up being part of the coaching career training program. We all moan about the quality of present franchise coaches and I for one support part of Erasmus program trying to end the incompetense system at present found all over the show. In that field Erasmus is now putting Swys in charge of he woman coaching set-up and resuts are already starting to show promise and I hope Swys is not developing pressure problems in that capacity. However there is much work ro be done on Under 20 and 18 development programs on franchise level. I support the broad viewpoints of Erasmus in that regard - but believe in some cases he undermine his own vision when seecting teams like he did iro the test team tomorrow.

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Diluting the Bok jersey huh?

Rassie stands out in the history of South African rugby as the only coach to effectively future-proof Bok rugby.

Thanks Pakie, I rest my case. I never said the boks are not world champions, however, I hate diluting bok rugby in the process, especially when you can't convince the world that you are the best and you have this hanging over your head. No world champ likes this. However, I can't remember when last a team won without any controversy.

I know NZ great France by 1 point and a whole video was done to show how bias the ref was.

The boks final against England was convincing but losing earlier against new Zealand dampened the victory.

But team get an aura if they get this winning streak. NZ did it like three times. Mallet managed it once, England under Eddie did it. Nobody questioned those teams. Only England though coming undone thanks to Rassie

Pakie

Apparently you learned something from what I wrote - nobody doubt the role of goalkickers in matches - but nobody carries on like Mozart does, The way he carries on denies the role of anyone bar the kicker at goal from getting due credit,

I always despised he "dead backline" idiocy we suffered from till Erasmus became coach - bar for brief intervals since 1992 I referred to.simple statements that Pollard won the test is BS. Lucky to win tests is also an over-simplification and real BS. , .

How do you plan to win a game by 1 point? Of course there will be luck involved. NZ missed two kicks in a row, either of which could have given them the win. You're lucky they missed, otherwise you lost. As Trad rightly pointed out, Kwagga's last steal started with his hand supporting him on the ground - it could easily have been a penalty the other way and nobody could have complained too much if it was. Those are factors out of your control. When it's out of your control, you rely on luck or the failure of the opposition to get you through.

Why did we lose to Ireland in the WC? Because that day it was us leaving 9 points or whatever it was on the floor through missed kicks.

PAkie

As per normal you make deliusional statements without facts. In the 2023 RWC Kolbe turned out to do the throw-ins at line-outs and those were won by the Springboks in the end, But that had a negatve impact on backline play.

Lucky to win tests is delusional and that remains a fact non-thinkers is repeating wihout any real thinking about the match as a whole. Winning matches is hard work by the players and to call a win lucky is an insult of the contributiosn made by all the players.

Mike, winning rugby tests is down to a huge load of preparation, scrutinising your opponents and player ability and fitness

But, there is also a luck element in any and every game .... the right bounce of the ball, the coin toss if weather dependent..... a slipped tackle here or there, an unlucky rebound ..... etc etc

In the 2023 RWC Kolbe turned out to do the throw-ins at line-outs and those were won by the Springboks in the end

No, he was first used as a thrower in the 2024 RC.

Winning matches is hard work by the players and to call a win lucky is an insult of the contributiosn made by all the players.

No, it's not an insult. It's a simple truth that sometimes you get a good bounce, sometimes you don't despite all your efforts. On any other day Jordie slots that penalty and NZ win. Not a damn thing all your hard work for the previous almost 80 minutes can do about it if he hits it sweetly and it goes over.

If my aunt had balls she would hav been my uncle. IF did not happen and you, are the stupid one parading around carrying buckets of shit to spill on this site,

Excellent post on the cog and wheel M, bring it out from time to time as required.

Simpleton giving anatomical lessons …..how about if your uncle had boobs?

If your uncle had tits, he would be you - CleverMike. Your Aunt sounds like CleverMichelle

Diluted the boks into the ground into a mere 2 RWCs, a Lions series win and 4 in a row vs the Allblacks...hopelessly too thin, the Bokke should never lose again or Rassie is a complete and utter failure...the bloody cheek of the man!! OUT-FCN-RAGEOUS !!!!

Bel die poliesie!!!!

Ai jaai jaai…..

Netso!!! Kla met die witbrood onder die arm....

That’s just the thing Draad, I don’t much care for the witbrood. Give me whole wheat any day, the whole rugby set of skills, not just box kicking and defense.

Mozart

You are indeed a simpleton that spout shit all over the show. What Draad wrote here is an old saying in Arikaans and that is applicable to you in full. It means that many eyars ago White Bread was a rare luxury rarely eaten by the ordinary people, So when people moan about shit - like you are a prime example the saying means . You are without reason moanng about anything relating to n this case rugby. It was use as a saying to stop moianing about rugby thus bringing people down to earth and not make fools of themselves,

I wish you well in your prayers that the Springboks lose tomorrow, That will make you happy at last.

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I know exactly what Draad meant you pompous moron. My response is a play on words.

Here’s another……if your Uncle didn’t have boobs I’d take you more seriously DCup..

Pakie

So by the way, first receiver from a ruck is not the center position.

On the above issue I would dearly love to refer you to the 2015 RWC with special reference to w hat hapened in the Japan Disaster match and in the play-offs against the Welsh and the AB's, Please note how many balls acually went where bar the flyhalf,

In the French try case De Allende has one quality mentioned in the RWC final and that is how quickly after making a tackle he is back in the backline line position and that is why the ball in that case was passed to him and he took a ap between two defenders to score e try. I frankly cannot understand what was wrong with the ball being passed to De Allende in that case, Please explain.

Draad take it easy….Uncle Boobs is a lost case…:)

Please remember everyone has the right to there own opinion and it’s not meant personal.

Go Boks and Go Dricus !

I am always trying deperately to get people back to reality on site. Any sentence containing IF is based on a theory in the mind of the writer and means zero in prooof, It is in other word BS supreme invented by a non-thinker. I tried to get a reasonable response to the issue above and get away from sweeping sttement - but every time got the IF nonsense coming up .

I neve like Mozart claim I am the best rugby analyzer in the world - I merely look at whatssoever happen or did not happen and based my postinmgs on that, There is no bigger BS on site containing a claim of something that if not happen and then use it as motivation worth something. S imple truth - if something did not happen and some body try and claim it did it is BS supreme.

"Diluted the boks into the ground into a mere 2 RWCs, a Lions series win and 4 in a row vs the Allblacks...hopelessly too thin, the Bokke should never lose again or Rassie is a complete and utter failure...the bloody cheek of the man!! OUT-FCN-RAGEOUS !!!!"

The dilution didn't start happening until last year. That's when we capped a ridiculous amount of players. I believe it was some kind of record.

Totally fine, we needed a look a look at some players and, though it was excessive, we could be excused for capping so many players.

But, along comes 2025, we invite a million players to Bok camps and play a random menagerie of combinations and learn almost nothing from the first 4 games.

...and this when we have the AB away games looming. A chance to really drive Bok dominance home.

Think about it. The Boks had 6 games in 2025...only 6, before they kick off in NZ.

Winning in NZ is the most difficult thing to do in Rugby. I'm sure that more teams have won the WC than have won series in NZ, in the age of television anyway. I just looked it up, since 1960...only Ireland and Oz have ever won series in NZ. Indeed, more teams have won the WC.

How do we approach this challenge? We lucky dip and basically waste 4 of our warm-up games.

And today we'll get some sort of a look at where we are. We should beat Oz comfortably. We have more way talent in every single position.

...but be warned, if Oz play without fear and back themselves, we could be in for a shock.

I frankly cannot understand what was wrong with the ball being passed to De Allende in that case, Please explain.

In school we used to do something called a "begripstoets", comprehension test. The goal was to see if you understood what you read.

Here's what I said: So by the way, first receiver from a ruck is not the center position.

Here is your comprehension test:

1. Does the writer at any point in this statement indicate that there was something wrong with passing the ball to De Allende?

"That’s just the thing Draad, I don’t much care for the witbrood. Give me whole wheat any day, the whole rugby set of skills, not just box kicking and defense."

We've moved on substantially from "box kicking and defence"...pity you can't see that...

Plum everything up till now was warmup matches...and the lots of caps were smoke and mirrors...I agree that it wasn't necessary, but it wasn't a train wreck either.