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It was the mighty midgets that won us the World Cup

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Nov 2023, 17:40
#81
23 Nov 2023, 17:40#81

Plum doesn't seem to understand that for years now, ever since Rassie was player coach for the Cheetahs Mozzz has had an unrelenting smear campaign against him. 

What one is getting from Mozzz and from his sidekick Doos is not balanced views but a bigoted ongoing smear campaign. You don't get more consistently biased than these two. Rather than admit they got things wrong the go on and on and on trying to justify themselves. 

Whilst the ongoing whining from mozzz is pathetic poor doos completely lost it and made some of the most outrageous anti Bok, anti Ra ssie statements ever seen on the board  with not a word of correction from the arch deceiver mozzz, the fake Bok supporter.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Nov 2023, 19:10
#82
23 Nov 2023, 19:10#82

Ag ou HasBeen tell us again how Trump beat Biden in the last election. How Fauci was going to be arrested,  how the Dems were going to lose the black vote.

You love the same type of self serving snake oil artist….Trump, Erasmus, Tucker…and you never learn not to trust them. I suppose you believe Erasmus’ father became a dronklap because of somebody being necklaced?


You fools are wide open to these charlatans. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2023, 19:27
#83
23 Nov 2023, 19:27#83

...ja Moz, tell us again how we lost the RWC final on handicap and how NZ are actually the more deserving side and should be the real world chamoions...SIES!!!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Nov 2023, 19:29
#84
23 Nov 2023, 19:29#84
Shark we won the WC having to take the hardest route ever without two players who are the best in the game in their respective positions in Marx and Am We were also without Lood, who Matfield said is the best 5 in the game. Lood is a far far better lock than powder puff Mostert So we won that WC without 3 key players and the toughest route ever We won thanks to the genius that is Rassie - how he did it is bloody unbelievable. How he instilled such belief and resolve in his side is something that needs to bottled Let’s hope like hell Rassie does take us to the next WC as he says he will be doing
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Nov 2023, 20:58
#85
23 Nov 2023, 20:58#85

The call of the tribe….sies….anybody who thought the tribe was driving off the cliff in the  1970s got that response. And look at the consequences, they are spread all over the planet, children separated from parents.  Dishonest loyalty cost so much, but it’s almost genetic.

If it makes you happy Draad, go for it. I myself prefer a fair fight. If we were real winners we never needed a man advantage. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Nov 2023, 21:07
#86
23 Nov 2023, 21:07#86
The fight was fair, no hooker for 78min negated any advantage we would have had A numerical advantage in the forwards means nothing if you cant press home that advantage with specialist in each position in your pack Given the wet conditions and little chance of playing an expansive game, the Kiwis could afford to have a back help out in the forwards
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Nov 2023, 21:44
#87
23 Nov 2023, 21:44#87
Nonsense of course, but to the extent that not having Dweba there was a disadvantage, whose fault was that? My guess is if you asked 100 fans if they preferred Dweba on the bench vs Fourie, 90 would have said no. All the trends in lineout play and failed mauls were apparent right from the start….in the the Irish test for example, where we won 1 of 3 mauls and 8 out of 10 lineouts.
This hooker excuse is pitiful. And sure the conditions were testing….but once again our opponents outgained us in every game….even the Poms did.
Kick and defend….nothing else.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Nov 2023, 22:07
#88
23 Nov 2023, 22:07#88
Oh what utter crap Dweba vs Fourie at hooker is a no brainer - ignore the maul - had Dweba been in the scrum we would have dominated the AB pack and won a number of penalties Nothing pitiful about the hooker excuse it was very real. Kick and chase my arse we scored more tries than our opponents other than the AB’s who’s try was not a try and Kolisi botched our simply try Who cares if Rassie made the hooker call, we won and while Fourie compromised us in the set pieces he was great in other facets of the game which helped win us the game The genius of Rassie at play here - we all see the need for a specialist hooker on the bench and he does not and wins us a second WC with that call Simply bloody brilliant because he just never conforms
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Nov 2023, 02:14
#89
24 Nov 2023, 02:14#89

So not having a specialist hooker on the bench advantaged us….kinda blows the Fourie disadvantaged us argument out of the water. 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
24 Nov 2023, 02:15
#90
24 Nov 2023, 02:15#90

Garbage I’m afraid Saffex. You seem to be intent on proving (or trying to) that the Boks didn’t have an advantage playing 15 vs 14!

In the scrum all the hooker has to do is push and with Fourie only 2kgs lighter than Bongi, so what? What extra technique is required?

What you haven’t mentioned is the Boks failed to score a try through their backs with a one man advantage but somehow the ABs did.

Nothing to do with Rassie’s brilliance at all!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Nov 2023, 04:20
#91
24 Nov 2023, 04:20#91

Moo, we're just saying the Boks did enough to get over the line and it doesn't diminishes our RWC because NZ got a red in the final..

I'm of the opinion that we probably would have won if it was yellow only...I think mentally the Boks took the foot off the pedal after the red...as if we lost a bit of momentum...credit to NZ for never letting up and still making a contest of it, but we're n ot giving Bill back because Cane got carded.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Nov 2023, 05:24
#92
24 Nov 2023, 05:24#92

Fourie was so much better in general play than Bongi it's not even close.

Bongi against France - 5 runs for 1m conceding two turnovers. 10 tackles missing 3.

Fourie against NZ - 5 runs for 17m conceding 1 turnover. 20 tackles missing 1.

We lost some in set pieces, but gained a far more effective and impactful player across the field.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Nov 2023, 09:37
#93
24 Nov 2023, 09:37#93
Oh wow Moola if you think that is all a hooker has to do in the scrums then you know nothing about scrumming. And if you think Bongi only weighs 3kg more you need your eyes tested The Boks should have had an advantage with the AB’s down to 14 but that was negated by the fact that we had no specialist hooker to press home the numerical advantage in the set pieces - this is a fact, coupled with the wet conditions which prevented us from exploiting the difference on attack. So while we had a numerical advantage for 30 min in the second half we could not exploit it thanks to no hooker and the conditions Fourie 96kg Bongi 108kg
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Nov 2023, 09:43
#94
24 Nov 2023, 09:43#94
But Pakie it’s from those set pieces that we would have gained more points There is no doubt given how good our scrum has been that we would not have dominated the AB scrum in that second half had we had a specialist hooker Fourie was better in general play but it gained us no points
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
24 Nov 2023, 10:09
#95
24 Nov 2023, 10:09#95

"In the scrum all the hooker has to do is push and with Fourie only 2kgs lighter than Bongi, so what?"

Bongi would walk over Fourie and barely notice... just saying.

But Fourie is far better in open play. Reads the game better than Bongi ever could.

Fourie's throws?  How many minutes of AB possession does that equate to when you add it all up? 

Chat GPT says that the average amount of time a rugby team keeps possession of the ball is 3-4 minutes. So it would be 3.5 x 4( is apparently how many lineouts we lost but it feels like more) or 13.5 minutes less tackling we'd need to do. When you factor that into total ball-in-play time which was 53:42...

25.14% of ball-in-play time is what Fourie's bad throws cost the Boks. That's a 1/4 of the game. Not nothing but still an average.

Anyway, that tackle on Bongi was suspect as all get out! 

I feel like in the circumstances this game was probably more like a 14.6 v 14 than it was 15 v 14.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Nov 2023, 16:12
#96
24 Nov 2023, 16:12#96

Okay I can buy that Plum, but the 0.4 of a man reverse handicap by having Fourie vs Bongi was entirely the result of decisions made by our coach. We could have had a proper hooker playing for 80 minutes.

So then we take the 0.6 of a man advantage for 40minutes and it’s a 6 point handicap. NZ wins by 5. And if we throw in the Pollard 5 point differential they win by 10.


What these numbers are suggesting is NZ was the better team on the field, supported by meters gained, defenders beaten and clean breaks made.

By the rules we are World Champions, but are we the champions of the rugby world? I fear not, that title still belongs to NZ because they played all the rugby in the final.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
24 Nov 2023, 17:54
#97
24 Nov 2023, 17:54#97

But Pakie it’s from those set pieces that we would have gained more points

Maybe Dave. Or Fourie's better breakdown and more active defensive work might have saved us a few points. We'll never know. We're really just killing time until there's some proper rugby on again.

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
24 Nov 2023, 17:59
#98
24 Nov 2023, 17:59#98
Saffex, the site I looked at says Bongi is only 98kgs so there’s a discrepancy there. You’ve said “wow” but still haven’t explained what additional technical ability is required for a hooker in the scrum. He’s basically jammed between the props so where’s this special technique you are claiming other than just pushing? Anyone got an answer to that?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Nov 2023, 19:26
#99
24 Nov 2023, 19:26#99
Wow Moz your sour grapes have no limits So NZ were better than us in the final What utter horse shit
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Nov 2023, 19:32
#100
24 Nov 2023, 19:32#100
Moola your stats are outdated - one only needs to look at Bongi vs Fourie to see that Bongi is a bigger man There is a reason Fourie was moved from hooker to openside many years ago. He was physically not up to the demands of playing hooker. The hooker is the nut that holds the frontrow together. The stronger the hooker the tighter the nut
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Nov 2023, 21:51
#101
24 Nov 2023, 21:51#101

Nope I just don’t drink the kool aid. We were bloody awful in the final, playing no rugby, down to our last card which was Pollard’s boot.

The difference between you and I Dave is you believe that fairly represents  Bok rugby, I think we can be much better. I’m a demanding fan and you’re a groupie…no offense.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Nov 2023, 22:12
#102
24 Nov 2023, 22:12#102
Oh what utter crap we won the first half anyone will tell you that. The AB’s clawed back in the second but we kept them out. The best side won, the number one side in the game prevailed Your take is just biased anti Rassie bullshit and I’m more than happy to be a groupie after two WC wins, a RC, a Lions series and being ranked number 1 in the game Your anti is embarrassing Moz - seriously Who the fuck in their right mind would not be singing the praises of our side after winning the WC having played Scotland, Ireland, France, England and NZ to win it??? Get a grip Moz FFS Games are not measured by how many metres you gained, how many defenders you beat, how much possession and territory you had or how well you defended it’s measured by the points on the board
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2023, 02:01
#103
25 Nov 2023, 02:01#103

We lost to Ireland ….beat NZ with a man advantage….scraped past a demoralized English team and as I said before the WC, Scotland will never beat the Boks at the WC.

The first Bok test I saw in 1960 we played NZ at Ellis Park. NZ were supposedly the better team, but we scored two wonderful tries, both coming from long range back movements with Antelme cutting in from the blindside wing and releasing Hennie van Zyl in 50 meter runs. 

That was Bok rugby…so was the Joubert/Rossouw,….Gainsford/Englebrecht….Gerber/Mordt…..JdV/Habana eras.

This kick from everywhere crap is just the warmed over Bulls rugby we always despised.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2023, 02:40
#104
25 Nov 2023, 02:40#104


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Nov 2023, 05:29
#105
25 Nov 2023, 05:29#105
Also...I do know that 3.5 x 4 is 14... Same as you Moz. I'm happy we won. But also think we could play much better rugby. The 2019 final left me feeling far better than the 2023 one.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Nov 2023, 05:36
#106
25 Nov 2023, 05:36#106

What an embarrassment this frot fake Bok supporter Moz is. It's been weeks now and the buffoon is still whining about the Bok win. Will he ever stop complaining!

Trump won in a landslide in 2020. Everything points to that. Thete was massive election fraud and interference and State election laws were broken etc. 

I see an Obummer appointed Judge is allowing a case against Dominium Voting Machines to go forward having bern convinced by experts that the machines are open to fraud. 

Like the Collapsing J6 Narrative the narrative this was a free and fair election is also collapsing. 

As to Ukraine the war has been lost. America has paid a terrible price as the expansion  BRICS and dedollarization continues apace

Everywhere Mozzz's Globalist scumbag buddies are facing a huge backlash. 

Globalist open borders is being rejected vigourously and traitors like mozzz who support this are being howled down. 

I see Elon Musk is calling for mass deportations. 

Tucker Carlson continues to thrive on Twitter which is doing very well in terms of views etc. Tucker has had 2. 1 billion views. Figures the so called Globalist MSM can only dream of. 

Mozz being the out of touch half bake he is predicted the demise of Tucker on his leaving Fox. 

Mozzz big pick DeSantis has also crashed. Mozzz has no clue as to the mood of the American People as he lives in his little Globalist bubble. 

On every front this very deceitful operator is crashing. 

His ego is suffering greatly regarding the Boks and Rassie. He trashed the Boks and Rassie after the 2019 win, insisting we accepts his crack pot nonsense. This went on up to the 2023 RWC. Now that the Boks have won he is repeating his 2019 efforts. Nothing changes for this doofus. I fully expect the loon to be telling us how awful the Boks are till THE NEXT RWC. Then if Rassie should win again the whole pathetic anti Bok anti Rassie BS will continue. Until Rassie goes ou Mozzzz will bleat on day after boring day looking only at what he perceives as Bok negatives. 

Events have caught up with the Mozzzzquito. You can only deceive for s o long, only talk nonsense for so long until folks catch on. 



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2023, 13:33
#107
25 Nov 2023, 13:33#107

You’d  be better off educating your Buddy Mike about the difference between the deficit and the debt, assuming of course you know what that is. Trump blew the 2020 election in the COVID briefings and the first debate….and the Boks won the WC but inspired nobody beyond the borders.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Nov 2023, 16:08
#108
25 Nov 2023, 16:08#108
I think they won over a few people, Moz. But it's also true that we didn't play attractive rugby and we seemed to have an invisible hand from the sky nudging us across the line. I suppose from a neutral's perspective, the sneaky 1 point wins, three times in a row, probably makes our run from the quarters one of, if not the, most entertaining of all time. But that doesn't really speak to the quality of the play, more to the results. All in all, we'll watch replays of these games at some time and probably be able to appreciate them more. If like to watch all three of those games again in their entirety. For me Arendse was the difference in the backs. His smarts saved our bacon against France for sure.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
25 Nov 2023, 16:31
#109
25 Nov 2023, 16:31#109

If the Springboks' will to win didn't inspire you and make you proud of Springbok rugby then you're probably better off supporting some other team . . . or some other sport.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Nov 2023, 22:50
#110
25 Nov 2023, 22:50#110

So Peeper….the will to win. Sounds a bit like a cliché. How exactly did that manifest itself. What proactive steps got your blood racing. The floor is your’s.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
26 Nov 2023, 07:46
#111
26 Nov 2023, 07:46#111
There's a scene from one of the Star Wars movies where somebody says..."...polarised reasoning is the way of the Sith." We see it here. You either love everything about the Bok WC win or you hate the Boks. Of course, there is no middle ground . There is no way to be happy and proud while also feeling things could be better or disappointed that the margin could have been bigger.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2023, 08:41
#112
26 Nov 2023, 08:41#112

No Plum, most of us recognize that there's much room for improvement,  maar ons kla nie met die witbrood onder die arm nie...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2023, 08:45
#113
26 Nov 2023, 08:45#113

"How exactly did that manifest itself."

Just go watch the matches again...the PSDT effort in the final in particular...Eben's effort in the France match...Pollard’s believe in the way he approached his kicking in all 3 matches...the team was ready...and the players stepped up when they had to...fantastic effort to get over the line in a four horse neck to neck race...CHAMPIONS.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2023, 14:24
#114
26 Nov 2023, 14:24#114

And was Curry’s commitment in the English game was less than Dud Toit….he made 16 tackles to Dud’s 9. And was Savea’s commitment to the win any less than Dud’s….he beat 4 tackles to Dud’s zero,

Absolute nonsense….the only difference was Pollard was the ice man….any of that other bs is disrespectful to him.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2023, 18:43
#115
26 Nov 2023, 18:43#115

 Disrespectful,  LOL!!!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
26 Nov 2023, 18:43
#116
26 Nov 2023, 18:43#116
...LOL.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Nov 2023, 19:18
#117
26 Nov 2023, 19:18#117

So you cocked up….double posted and then tried to slime out of it by throwing in another feeble LOL.

LMAOFY&Y!

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Dec 2023, 15:48
#118
02 Dec 2023, 15:48#118

 

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