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Jake losing his mojo again

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Jan 2023, 23:51
#1
01 Jan 2023, 23:51#1
Seems to be a pattern with good old Jake Firstly he completely fucked up his priorities by resting his A side and playing his B side against Exeter in the more prestigious Champions Cup competition. His B side got thrashed - shock, shock - completely disrespecting Exeter and the Champions Cup itself Then his rested A side lost to the Stormers in their URC fixture the following week, making a mockery of his thought process Then yesterday his A side gets thumped by the Sharks no thanks to some stupid selections no more so than messing Goosen around and playing him at fullback. He also started Matanzima at loosehead ahead of the impressive Steenkamp His blind faith in washed up centres like Mapoe and Hendricks is embarrassing as is wasting the impressive David Kriel on the bench and playing the bog ordinary Smith at 10 Jake is losing the plot
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 00:32
#2
02 Jan 2023, 00:32#2

Jake losing his mojo "again"? When did he first lose his mojo? Saffex must be confusing him with Erasmus and his little harder working subordinate. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 00:37
#3
02 Jan 2023, 00:37#3
Good old Jake was utterly useless leading up to the WC but thanks to Eddie saving his bacon they won the easiest WC ever Jake lost the plot then as he is doing now It was selections then as it is selections now There is nothing great about Jake as a coach The pattern repeats itself
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
02 Jan 2023, 01:43
#4
02 Jan 2023, 01:43#4

Smith is a Curry Cup player at best, or a pub team player at worst. Lacks brain capacity and skill. Moves like a forward. It is obvious that Goosen should be at 10, Bulls have depth at outside backs.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 02:40
#5
02 Jan 2023, 02:40#5
Yep Smith is super shit It’s obvious Goosen should be at 10, David Kriel at 15, Moodie to 13, Arendse and Strevino Jacobs on the wing But Jake has lost the plot and the pressure is mounting
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 03:03
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02 Jan 2023, 03:03#6

But wasn’t Goosen at 10 when they lost to the Stormers. Oops and wasn’t he outplayed by his opponent? Any reasonable person looking at yesterday’s game would have seen the vast superiority of the Sharks pack….the Bools simply don’t have the man power possessed by the Sharks and Stormers. It’s no more complicated than that.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 03:16
#7
02 Jan 2023, 03:16#7

Look at the vitriol directed toward Jake. I have said it before, and I'll say it again: Mediocre South Africans have an innate hatred of those better than themselves. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 03:28
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02 Jan 2023, 03:28#8
Regardless of whether Goosen has had the odd average game, he is a far superior 10 to average Smith and therefore it makes absolutely no sense that clueless Jake moved him to fullback when he has David Kriel, Arendse and Moodie as options at fullback You are wrong about the packs, the Bulls more than held their own in the forwards up to a few weeks ago The Bulls have had a big budget to purchase players so clearly Jake is getting that wrong as well. I mean why the fuck would you spend money on Mapoe and before that it was Aplon - cry me a river The Bulls are just being outplayed by great attacking rugby from the Sharks and Stormers - it has very little to do with forward dominance The Bulls have more than enough forward power coming from the likes of Gerhard Steenkamp, Grobelaar, JJ Wessels, Klopper, Ruan Vermaak, Nortje, v Staaden, Cyle Brink and Elrigh Louw Jake is just fucking up
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 03:40
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02 Jan 2023, 03:40#9

Jake had lost the plot and I will indeed be surprised if he is not fired as Bulls coach at the end of the present season.    He always was clueless when it came to backline selection and usage and that has not changed ever.   He was fired by the Sharks because of that deficiency and his tendency to have favorites in teams he coach thus causing internal division in the teams and the present scenario has much in common with his behavior as a coach for many years.             

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 03:49
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02 Jan 2023, 03:49#10
Jake always starts off ok then comes crashing down He gets these ridiculous ideas in his head and then nothing budges him Like that stupid idea that the Boks should only be selected from home based players in a bid to entice players back to SA How fucking naive is that? Why on earth would a player give up the financial rewards of playing abroad in the slimmest of chances he might get picked to play for the Boks - seriously Jake??
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Jan 2023, 04:15
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02 Jan 2023, 04:15#11

I agree that wasn’t a good idea….but nor was not playing in 2020 and I don’t recall Harrassmiss being called on that.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 09:50
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02 Jan 2023, 09:50#12

That story about 2020 was the standard BS of Mozart.  He was totally ignorant about the Government regulations in 2020 as to the lockdowns related to COVID in SA and also claimed that the decision not to play internat6ional rugby was taken by Erasmus.   It obviously was based on something he could NEVER prove and that on its own is typical Mozart BS concoctions.    .      

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 09:50
#13
02 Jan 2023, 09:50#13

That story about 2020 was the standard BS of Mozart.  He was totally ignorant about the Government regulations in 2020 as to the lockdowns related to COVID in SA and also claimed that the decision not to play internat6ional rugby was taken by Erasmus.   It obviously was based on something he could NEVER prove and that on its own is typical Mozart BS concoctions.    .      

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 13:15
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02 Jan 2023, 13:15#14
I fully supported Rassie’s call not to play not that is was Rassie’s call Would have been lambs to the slaughter Rassie if he made the call, was spot on
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 13:18
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02 Jan 2023, 13:18#15

You're right it would have been, as we've seen since. The sham would have been exposed much, much earlier. Ever the coward and lowlife, seeking whatever means necessary to avoid doing his job... even if it means using racism and bringing the game into disrepute. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 14:22
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02 Jan 2023, 14:22#16

l'Grande Merde

There was no slaughter since - what you call a slaughter is total BS.    In 2021 trhe Springboks won the Lion series - in 2022 they were equal in points on the RC loglosing the RC on a point difference - so what the fuck are you writing about?

By the way dimness - you are too stupid to understand rugby at all.   In 2018 Erasmus had to find players to fill vacancies in the Springbok team and in a number of tests he played  experimental players to see how they perform.   In 2019 he refined the number of experimental players further and in the end players like Esterhuizen dropped out due to his deficiencies.

In 2022 the situation is basically the same as it was in 2018 and some players were experimental selections to see whether they can play on higher level.   Some may be gone after the 2023 RC

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CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 14:22
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02 Jan 2023, 14:22#17

Dupl ication

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 15:21
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02 Jan 2023, 15:21#18
I see clueless Jake might have eventually woken up to how useless Mapoe is as he has not made the touring squad Probably find Mapoe is injured and that it has nothing to do with Jake waking up
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 21:36
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02 Jan 2023, 21:36#19

The Lions series was a farce from a reffing standpoint, as well as a spectacle. This time it was Gatland who made the tactical error. There was the Bok try off of Wiese's obvious knock on, Malherbe never being pinged for belly flopping, multiple forward passes. To think, we waited so long for this tour, and miasma Erasmus ruins it. Inserting race into the matter because Kwotalisi has no field presence. The poor darling needs a little cuddle by the ref and a gentle word. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:32
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02 Jan 2023, 22:32#20

But isn't this true of all coaches, they come in with new ideas and make the team hard to analyse. We see it with Borthwick at Leicester but even before he became England coach Leicester were beaten a couple of times. 

The best coaches can make teams perform. The only coach that I know that improved a team is Dobbo.

It is also down to the union with a great system. We see this at Leinster and Crusaders. So where most coaches have a short shelf life. 

So maybe Jake is good enough as he can improve teams fortunes. 

Which makes him really valuable because the union know what the are buying. 

Johan Ackerman did well at the lions but not the same success when he left

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 22:46
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02 Jan 2023, 22:46#21

Jake has excelled everywhere he has gone. We have never produced a coach with such an ability to create a dynasty. Removing Jake when he was Bok coach, and had the backing of Mbeki ruined the greatest era of Bok talent. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:19
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02 Jan 2023, 23:19#22

Ha Ha Ha - that is the joke of the year.   Watch out - the way things are going White will be jobless before June 2023.     

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:19
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02 Jan 2023, 23:19#23

Ha Ha Ha - that is the joke of the year.   Watch out - the way things are going White will be jobless before June 2023.     

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:23
#24
02 Jan 2023, 23:23#24

The joke of the year, though two days old, is certainly the Laurel and Hardy of Ruckers: Mike and Saff. I'm quite confident this joke will stand the test of time. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Jan 2023, 23:24
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02 Jan 2023, 23:24#25
But Jake is not improving the Bulls so I’m not sure what you are on about King The same happened with the Boks - Jake had two good years at first then completely lost the plot and was saved by Eddie for the WC Jake is an average coach who once found out has nothing different to offer. His crap personality also lends itself to player dissatisfaction…..something that has always followed him - just ask the du Plessis brothers Jake had an average Bok record enhanced by a WC win thanks to Eddie and the easiest WC route ever
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
03 Jan 2023, 12:47
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03 Jan 2023, 12:47#26

It is hard to judge Jakes impact at the bulls, but they were not our top team in the Super Rugby. It was mainly the Sharks flying the SA flag and not to mention the lions being our top team in the late 10's. 

However, you can't argue that Jake got the bulls to the URC final, beating Leinster away from fortress loftess. 

So, yes he does have a massive impact on teams. 

Also look at the previous Crusaders Coaches, Robbie Deans was the best coast since slice bread but then went to the Brumbies and never had the same success again. Same for Heineke Meyer. Great at the bulls but then couldn't get the other teams play at the same level. 

So a proper union will always make an average coach look good. 

My only problem with the bulls and Jake is that they keep selecting players out of position. 

What happened to Similane, he can't even get into the starting team as a 13. The bulls pack looks really weak and they have really old and tired backs. 

The seem to have loaded up on loose forwards and old backs that are retreaded wingers covering centre. 

Still a few games left in the season, Bulls are 4th on the log, sharks are 5th. So will have to white and see. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
03 Jan 2023, 13:09
#27
03 Jan 2023, 13:09#27

Let just have a quick snapshot of our current teams and coaches. 

Bulls, Jake, Massive Money - Finished 2nd, Current Position 4th

Sharks, Powells, Massive Money - Finished 7th, Current Position 5th 

Lions, Van Royen, No Money - Finished 12th, Current Position 11th

Stormers, Dobbo, No Money - Finished 1st, Current Position 2nd 

Neil Powel came in and the previous coach was fired. Had 3 wins in a row. Time will tell if he is the right coach, but the sharks are already playing far better on the ground and I can see a lot of sevens influence on this game. The team seem happier and much better attacking rugby from the Sharks. 

Van Royen isn't a great coach, the lions are doing a little bit better with Jacque Fourie as defence coach, however, the still haven't signed any big names. De Stroyli is not signing any big names, 

Dobbo, Got a couple of boks on their books like Kitshoff and Malherbe as well as Willemse. But it is the new players that have emerged like Roos, Libbok, Zas etc. Although, the Stormers has the luxury of having fantastic school rugby teams and always seem to produce a lot of quality rugby players. 

I think the Bulls can be a real force in the next couple of years, but they need some decent fresh young backs. They have the talent, but they need a decent 10 to backup Goosen. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
03 Jan 2023, 13:15
#28
03 Jan 2023, 13:15#28

Meyer was great for the Bulls and Boks. He is okay. Jake is quite definitively the best SA coach there has been. With the players he has at his disposal there is nothing to warrant concern about his coaching. We should rather be turning our attention to the abysmal Boks and their spiral into a level of mediocrity that even surpasses what we saw in 2003.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
03 Jan 2023, 14:16
#29
03 Jan 2023, 14:16#29

I have to agree that the boks have underperformed for years now. France walks away as the winners this year as unbeaten, but they have only played 10 test this year. Some against some weaker teams, but the beat the top teams and have not been beaten in their last 14 test. 

They have beaten all the tope teams in 18 months period. 

I can't say the same of the boks. 

Although, we do play Australia and New Zealand more often where as they play their games at home against Aus, SA and NZ. 

Ireland is their only real competition right now. England was poor under Eddie. 

Will know in October which teams are the best as the top 4 teams will face each other before reaching the Semi finals. 

So only 1 team our of SA, Ireland, New Zealand and France can reach the Semi final or final

Australia or England has the easiest route and could be very fresh when the finals come around. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Jan 2023, 14:17
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03 Jan 2023, 14:17#30

This story of 2020 has been brought back by Mozart.   Until August 2020  travel between provinces had to be motivated fully before people could get permission to travel.   By the end of August there were no rugby played in SA at all - nor even on club level.    

The players playing rugby in Europe had even more problems.  All entry into SA was banned - South Africans coming back from Europe was put in an Hotel in Limpopo and kept there in isolation for 14 days minimum.   

How anyone could organize selection of players or even getting them to  is impossible to even imagine.   The games were to be played in Australia where there were also isolation requirements on entry and it as not even sure which players in the squad was vaccinated and there at that stage there was no vaccination available in SA.   Vaccination only became available in January 2021.    

How anybody could even imagine that Erasmus on his own could even take a decision not to go to Australia is beyond me.    At that time the Decision would have to be cleared by the SA Government and by the Board of SA Rugby - who also had travel problems to Cape Town for meetings.    Rassie said it was not logical and possible to get to Australia by a properly prepared squad under those circumstances.     It was not his decision to take - as it is entirely the responsibility of the Board - acting in liaison with the Government to decide on the issue.   

Mozart just try his normal - blame Erasmus for the situation.   His whole approach is BS from 2018 - for some reason he started attacking Erasmus before he even assumed duty.   I suspect he did so because his favorite for appointment could have been White.   That would have been a disaster for the Springboks in 2019.                           

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