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Jean is spot on

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2021, 19:45
#1
30 Sept 2021, 19:45#1
Our mindset is so channelled into kick and applying pressure that when we do find ourselves in a position to attack we stick to the default and kick it yet again. Evidenced by Pollards poor attempt at a cross kick in the dying minutes of the test and ending up conceding possession, territory and victory Jean de Villiers Jacques Nienaber’s men gave New Zealand their toughest game of the year so far, putting significant pressure on via their kicking game. As a result, they found themselves ahead going into the final five minutes before Jordie Barrett broke their hearts with a late three-pointer to secure the Rugby Championship title for Ian Foster’s side. Despite Bok supporters being proud of their team’s efforts at the weekend, there has once again been criticism for the South African game plan. Although there is an acceptance over the current style, which is based around set-piece and kicking, they – and De Villiers – would like to see the side be more ambitious when they get into attacking positions. The ambition to score tries “We’re not there in the mix deciding on what the approach is, as to how do you beat the All Blacks?” the former Springbok skipper told The Breakdown. “You have a team of players with a certain skill set, then you have the opposition, then you decide how can you beat them, how can you be better than them on the day? “The approach was obviously to get the ball in the air, apply pressure and then get turnovers from that. I think the lack of ambition when they were on attack, I think that was the disappointing thing. “You put yourself in a position – yes, that strategy takes you to a certain area of the field – but then you need to be able to switch on, have the ambition to keep ball in hand and score tries, and I think that’s where I felt a bit disappointed in the approach. “Again, if they went on and won the game, [made] two or three different decisions in those last four minutes and won the game, would you have spoken about it? I don’t know. “The big question, though, is can they apply the same strategy this weekend and keep the All Blacks under pressure for 80 minutes, as they did last week? There’s a big question mark around that There has also been question marks placed over the skill levels of the individuals in the team, but De Villiers does not believe that it is an issue and insists that it is more about the mindset. “A lot of the guys playing, who played on Saturday and I still played with, there’s no doubt they still have the skill set, so I think that ambition that we keep talking about, it’s fine having that (kick-heavy) strategy,” he added. “I think a lot of Test matches that we won against the All Blacks, the same was applied, but it’s being able to switch on when the opportunity is on, when the opportunity is there to take the game by the scruff of the neck and keep ball in hand. “That’s where you need to be able to switch on and just get out of that mindset. I think, again, that was the disappointing thing about the weekend. “If they did that, they would have won the game, and then the strategy would have been executed perfectly. It’s the lack of having that little bit of variation that I think is costing them in the big games, as we’ve seen in the last three weeks.”
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Sept 2021, 19:53
#2
30 Sept 2021, 19:53#2

As we have thoroughly seen, the Bok midfield is a lower tier 2 entity. Unable to dictate terms physically and unable to create anything. The gameplan is also putrid. Damian botching every interaction with Am shows you the limitations of the personnel. It's a mess on and off the field. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2021, 19:57
#3
30 Sept 2021, 19:57#3
Oh shut up you ignorant prick - it’s not the midfield kicking the ball away you dumbfuck Our centre pair is the best in the game, they proved that in the WC and in the Lions series
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2021, 19:59
#4
30 Sept 2021, 19:59#4

I rate Jean but this is nonsense. . .name one test we won against the ABs in living memory with this box kicking.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
30 Sept 2021, 20:19
#5
30 Sept 2021, 20:19#5

I think Jean was stressing the point that kicking was always a play but the difference is that they would vary the play as apposed to just kicking possession away endlessly.

He is spot on.

Not kicking away each time you get the ball.

Also the point about Pollards play in the dying moments is correct.

I would love to see the ball fed to the backs to have a run instead of chasing a "up and under" with little hope of recovering possession.

We have two strong players at 12 and 13 who have strength and speed and 'BALLS".


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2021, 20:20
#6
30 Sept 2021, 20:20#6

One can sense Jean thinks our tactics would make the Neanderthals look up to date. But he doesn’t say it because we just can’t deal with constructive criticism. This is a huge cultural weakness in our rugby…..call it honestly, if you are proven wrong in the short term, persevere. If your ideas have value they will prove true eventually.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2021, 20:24
#7
30 Sept 2021, 20:24#7
Well Jean is spot on - the kicking worked to create the pressure, but instead of capitalising on that pressure and looking to attack when the opportunity presented itself, our kicking mindset prevailed That is what Jean is saying
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Sept 2021, 20:26
#8
30 Sept 2021, 20:26#8

Yes, but to imply we always use box kicks as  our default tactic  is nonsense. Look at the match against the ABs in 98 posted on another string….we ran them into oblivion.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Sept 2021, 20:34
#9
30 Sept 2021, 20:34#9
I’m not sure Jean was talking about the past but more about the present
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
30 Sept 2021, 21:02
#10
30 Sept 2021, 21:02#10
Lets hope they can “ switch on “ in between the kicking festival
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
30 Sept 2021, 21:41
#11
30 Sept 2021, 21:41#11
Yes, the Boks used a box kick to get into the All Blacks 22 area and create overlaps, but instead of putting the ball through hands, the Boks set up another box kick.
It was box kicks to set up other box kicks.
Running the ball when there are overlaps in the opposition half is non-negotiable.

Meyer and Jake White never run the ball in their own half but do so in the opposition half. 
The South African DNA is to play no rugby in their own half, but attack from within the opposition half. 
Even the All Blacks said they were surprised that the Boks were doing box kicks in their 22. 
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
30 Sept 2021, 22:28
#12
30 Sept 2021, 22:28#12
All Blacks will be ready for the kicking game. They made necessary personnel changes to accommodate for that. If we have any chance of winning, Boks will have to change it up and run with ball in hand and score tries.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Sept 2021, 22:29
#13
30 Sept 2021, 22:29#13

We only run under penalty advantage. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Sept 2021, 22:32
#14
30 Sept 2021, 22:32#14

Jean said kicking is about field position, not the primary red zone threat. Aside from the kick and the maul, we haven't looked like creating even one try elsewhere. Once you are in good field position, other portions of your game need to be ready. From a gameplanning perspective. we simply aren't prepared for anything more. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
30 Sept 2021, 22:58
#15
30 Sept 2021, 22:58#15
If that is true, what are they doing in the training camp? Surely they must also be working on a good rounded running rugby game to keep up the best?
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
30 Sept 2021, 23:14
#16
30 Sept 2021, 23:14#16

If they are, where is it? Why aren't those structures successfully integrated? They occasionally deploy plays, shapes and patterns to get width; that's José trying his darndest to be threatening, but it is very poorly conceived and installed. They abandoned all of that for the All Black test. They put all of their eggs in one basket to beat the All Blacks, and became more linear. It shows you how little this coaching team has to offer us. They've made us worse than we've been since 2002. 

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
01 Oct 2021, 17:04
#17
01 Oct 2021, 17:04#17

Running game!!!!!!!!!

Not in the Springbok Coaches notebook I'm afraid.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
01 Oct 2021, 18:03
#18
01 Oct 2021, 18:03#18

Poor Willie's output has fallen off a cliff in the José years. He is being wasted. The few times the Boks had him come up fast in the middle of the field, he was exclusively used to chip towards the corner. What a damn waste. It amuses me, though, that everything Meyer was said to be has been made manifest in José and Krutch. The Boks are everything the plastiks accused Meyer's teams of being, down to the smallest detail and to the exact degree. Watching them squirm, trying to stay their condemnation, straining for a scapegoat... it's hilarious. 

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