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Jeff Wilson on de Allende

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:02
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05 Aug 2025, 23:02#1

New Zealand rugby greats have hailed Damian de Allende as the Springboks’ not-so-secret weapon for the Rugby Championship, calling him a match-winner tailor-made for Rassie Erasmus’ game plan.



The Springboks are hard at work in camp ahead of back-to-back Tests against the Wallabies at Ellis Park and Cape Town Stadium, and according to a trio of former Test stars, De Allende will be central to any South African success over the next few months.



Former All Blacks wing Jeff Wilson led the praise, calling the 33-year-old midfielder “critical” to the Springboks’ continued dominance.



“I think he’s a player who’s been absolutely pivotal and critical for the Springboks,” said Wilson on The Breakdown.



“He’s got an unbelievable skill set, he’s got physicality, he’s a high-ability ball player, he’s incredibly consistent. For me, I think he’s highly underrated as a rugby player.”



Wilson’s former All Blacks teammate Stephen Donald agreed.

“The great thing about him too is that he’s tailor-made for how Rassie [Erasmus] is playing at the moment,” said Donald. “He is exactly what they want.”



De Allende has been a midfield constant for the Boks since 2014, winning back-to-back World Cups in 2019 and 2023 and starting all three Tests of the series win over the British & Irish Lions in 2021.



But according to former teammate and current Cheetahs coach Frans Steyn, the 89-Test veteran No 12 has hit another level under Bok attack coach Tony Brown.



“With Damian and what we’ve seen under Tony, they’ve used the quality of his passing a little bit more. He’s not just trucking it up every game,” said Steyn told Sport Nation’s Scotty and Izzy Show.



“It’s good for him – the world gets to see more of Damian. For that team, he is a rock in the midfield. When they face the All Blacks, Damian will play. When you had Ma’a Nonu at 12 and Conrad Smith at 13 … Damian is South Africa’s Nonu at the moment.”


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:05
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05 Aug 2025, 23:05#2

What does Wilson know hey?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:22
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05 Aug 2025, 23:22#3

Only a fool would believe all that obvious nonsense….but then you are a fool. No 12 in the history of test rugby has got and wasted more good ball.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:25
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05 Aug 2025, 23:25#4

il2g

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:40
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05 Aug 2025, 23:40#5

The only fucking fool here is you you idiot


Too fucking stupid to comprehend the fact that 12 is one of if not the most important position in a rugby side


You don’t win back to back WC and retain the number 1 spot in the game with a poor 12 you profoundly stupid prick


Fuck there is stupid and then we get you


Jeff Wilson a rugby legend vs you a rugby nobody


Fucking idiot

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
05 Aug 2025, 23:58
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05 Aug 2025, 23:58#6

Let help you understand the world a little….NZ is obsessed with beating the Boks this year. Anything any NZ rugby personality says is suspect. This is just a misdirect designed to confuse things….effusively praise the one guy that stands between Kolbe and the ball.


But sure let’s have more 2 metre half paced runs that allow the defense to totally reset.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:01
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06 Aug 2025, 00:01#7

Your justifications are both a joke and insulting but not surprising as you are fucking clueless

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:02
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06 Aug 2025, 00:02#8

Tell us how you really feel, Dave.


Imagine being an adult and having that little culture, class and vocabulary.


I mean what can you do? You're too technically stunted to upload a picture onto a rugby forum, too cowardly to make a prediction and too immature to handle disagreement like someone older than twelve.


...and far too dim to realise that out of everybody here, based on all the evidence at hand, you are easily the most stupid.


#AngryRetard



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ChippoPro3,372 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:09
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06 Aug 2025, 00:09#9

Let’s leave the ABs aside for now.


How has a “shit” player managed to win 2 world cups in a pivotal position?

Luck?


Damien is an incredible ball player.

Because his biggest strength is his power, it does not mean he is poor in other areas… which is what Mozart is basically saying.


sorry guys. I’m with Dave and Jeff and Stephen here.

De Allende is a Bok asset and we need to oook after him until the next World Cup.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:10
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06 Aug 2025, 00:10#10

Buttplug I’m not even going to read your boring ignorant shit as your take on anything rugby is fucking weak


Do us a favour and just fuck off or send us a list of worthless predictions to yawn over


Fucking loser

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:10
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06 Aug 2025, 00:10#11

The lawyer who sells ice cream.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:15
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06 Aug 2025, 00:15#12

Yep Chip only a fucking rugby retard is unable to appreciate the value of de Allende


And Buttplug is calling me stupid - the same prick who touted Roos as a 12 - what a fucking idiot


Lost rugby cause if ever there was one


Blabla Dave is stupid, Dave has no vocabulary and worst of all he won’t send me his predictions I begged him for


Poor little Buttplug - bless you

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:29
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06 Aug 2025, 00:29#13

No Center in the history of test rugby has had more good ball and done less with it….illustrated by his abysmal try scoring ratio.

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:38
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06 Aug 2025, 00:38#14

I think a running 12 like JDV will not fit in very well with a Erasmus game plan.


That,s why Donald’s comments has a hidden agenda. Basically saying that ONLY Erasmus,s Stampkar, Crash ball and kicking the leather of the ball, fits with DDA.


He is not flexible, not a very skill full player, but he is really strong. Erasmus saw this and that’s why he is the 12. He is definitely not there to promote running Rugby.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 00:40
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06 Aug 2025, 00:40#15

Yep selling ice cream where the margins are 500%


Do the maths dumbfuck


That’s your problem you stupid prick - you can’t grasp the role of a modern 12 - you are stuck in a time warp where 12’s operated in space


Fuck me it’s obvious what DA does - he carries effectively in traffic - the place where 80% of a 12’s time is spent


It’s why the majority of test 12’s are built like hookers helloooooooo DA, AE, Aki, Tuipolotu, Kerevi, Danty, Tuilagi, Lawrence etc


How many more times do you need to be told - you really are fucking stupid


12’’s are not there to score tries you idiot, they are there to set up phases or create for their outside backs - hellooooo


Whooosh as per usual - you just literally don’t know the game

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2025, 02:31
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06 Aug 2025, 02:31#16

Set up phases…..accomplishes nothing.


If Dud Allende ‘created ‘ for the outside backs he’d have a bunch of try assists.


What he does is spin the wheels, one more phase where the opposition might concede a penalty and we can go for a maul try.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 07:23
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06 Aug 2025, 07:23#17

Ah so it does nothing does it? It’s not brought us the unparalleled success this team has achieved


This is evidence of your rugby ignorance. The game is built around phase play, DA is an integral part of that


Will Greenwood - you stop DA you stop the Boks


You just don’t get it do you?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 07:37
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06 Aug 2025, 07:37#18

We'll ask for evidence and we'll be told it's not needed because Jack, John, Jimmy and James say so. Dave can't make a case so he argues through others, who are often simply saying nice things because one can't really say bad things these days.


Go though the players with more than 50 Bok caps, including Mostert, and you'll find numerous articles where people say good stuff them. Now try search for negative articles on them...there are none. Zero.


But Davie, as intellectually defunct as he is, hasn't grasped this simple fact about modern media yet...It's all for clicks Davie.


Now tell us about Mostert, Dave...cos...


"There aren't many superlatives left to describe Franco Mostert's phenomenal Super Rugby season. But one former great of the game managed to pay the Lions lock the compliment to end all compliments.

"What makes Franco special is that he is a combination of a Victor Matfield and a Bakkies Botha put together. He has got the aggression of a Bakkies, but has all the flair and the skills of a Victor Matfield."


It doesn't get any bigger than that, especially if the man showering the praises on you is one of the most decorated Springboks of all time.

Bakkies Botha may be referring to himself in the third person in that quote, but he has earned the right to do it, having won almost everything as a player.

Botha has won a World Cup, Tri-Nations titles, a series against the British & Irish Lions, Super Rugby titles, Currie Cups, the French Top 14 and a European Cup title. And, to top it off, formed one of the most formidable lock partnerships in the history of the game with Matfield.

These days Botha spends his days on the farm, using only the sun to tell the time. When it's up high, he works in the fields, but when it sets it's time to settle inside and spend some time with his wife and kids.

But that doesn't mean he has thrown rugby by the wayside after retiring from the game shortly before the 2015 World Cup. He has kept a keen eye on this year's Super Rugby tournament and especially the rise of Mostert after they once shared a dressing room at the Bulls.

"The first time I met him was at the Bulls and he seemed to be a bit complacent. He left the Bulls for the Lions and his game has just taken off," Botha told KweséESPN.

"Johan [Ackermann, Lions coach] knows how to work with locks, because he was a lock himself, a Springbok lock. I think for Franco to go to the Lions was a great decision. Now he is playing some great rugby.

"At this stage he is the best lock in South Africa, and one of the best in the world."

The 26-year-old Mostert's work rate has been one of the standout features of his game, and the reason he got the nod to partner Eben Etzebeth in the Springbok second row for the Test series against France ahead of current SA Rugby Player of the Year, Pieter-Steph du Toit.

He is definitely not one of the biggest second-row forwards to play for South Africa at 1.98m and 105kg, but he is strong in the collisions and his cleans, tackles and carries are effective in the battle for supremacy at the gainline.

"Franco is already a world-class lock in my opinion. If you look at his work rate, his tackles, his cleaning and the time he spends on the park, he has just been phenomenal," Botha said.

"If you look at the way he plays, in comparison with an Eben Etzebeth who is almost twice his size, he plays with the same fire and intensity because his heart is twice as big.

"He is still taking the ball up as hard in the 78th minute he does in the first minute. Franco's stats are absolutely mind-blowing. He makes the most cleans, most carries and most tackles. That is unbelievable work, because normally you have a player making the most cleans, but somebody else making the most tackles.

"Bloody Franco does everything!"

While Mostert plays like a No. 4 lock in open play, he lineout jumping has also caught the eye, especially in the semi-final against the Hurricanes where he stole two crucial balls when the New Zealand side were on the attack deep in the Lions' 22.

Although Mostert is relatively short for a South African second rower, he leads the competition in lineout steals. He is also very secure on his own ball and runs the Lions' lineout with an iron fist.

"Franco is lighter than most other locks and that benefits him in the lineout. He is nice and light, and that gets him that half a second quicker in the air to beat his opponent," Botha said.

"For a lot of heavy guys, it takes us a split second longer to get in the air and on the limit -- the highest point where the hooker is throwing the ball into the lineout. That is why he is such a great contesting lock."




Oooooooooopsie

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 08:20
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06 Aug 2025, 08:20#19

Will Greenwood - you stop DA you stop the Boks


Still the most idiotic statement in recent rugby memory. In 2018 we beat the ABs - DDA's attacking stats for that game is one run for 2m. He was of no consequence, yet the Boks won. What did Greenwood have to back that statement up? A string of data indicating that when DDA does poorly, the Boks does poorly? No, he sucked it from his arse.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2025, 08:43
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06 Aug 2025, 08:43#20

Listen to all the site experts on rugby - they know more than actual experts and specialize in inventing BS based on prejudice and lies they concocted, Amazing!!!!


However I believe the real riugby experts and laugh about what our local site experts concoct,. After all they know what happens inside the training camps and inside the squad based on what some idiots in the media wrote without regard to actuality,

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 08:57
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06 Aug 2025, 08:57#21

And let's also remember the biggest victory over the ABs came with AE at 12 and Moodie at 13.


You keep believing those experts, Mike

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 09:26
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06 Aug 2025, 09:26#22

No Plum you lying sack of shit, the Boks can't win if Esterhuizen plays. Ask Mike. Also ask Greenwood - I mean, doesn't DDA not playing amount to him being "stopped"? So how could the Boks possibly win?

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 09:55
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06 Aug 2025, 09:55#23

Shut up, Pakie


You knocfw noth ing abou ruigb.


Do you want an ice-cream?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2025, 10:22
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06 Aug 2025, 10:22#24

"And let's also remember the biggest victory over the ABs came with AE at 12 and Moodie at 13."


...and Manie @ 10 ;-)

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2025, 10:29
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06 Aug 2025, 10:29#25

Now it is back to peonal attacks, I based my remarks on actual facts and the fact is that dear St Esterhuizen in 20 tests played scored no tries and Mozart had to invent a single incident in 1 test where Esterhizen was involved in a dubious try-assist. I also compare his tackle stats with those of De Allende and he failed in that as well.


What is amazing is that some of our members wish the Springboks lose tests so their jeremediats can be proved. Even when they win - their argment is they did not deserve to win an hey treat thesresults as losses, Amazing - but that is a fact as well.


So we are back to the case where the site experts are hoping for losses so they can support their claims - like Mozart openly stated in the past - and that is they are like Mozart the best rugby performance analysts in the World. Really amazing - let the fairy tales flow. .

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 10:51
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06 Aug 2025, 10:51#26

Mozart had to invent a single incident in 1 test where Esterhizen was involved in a dubious try-assist


How is that an invention? Maybe you should start apologizing to all the people who you accuse of "inventions" and "lies" for events that are verifiable.


Mike, your game on this forum has been in the gutter for years, but you're at rock bottom right now. You contribute nothing of significance anymore. Your entire angle now is falsely accusing others of lying. Outside of repeating the same old essay about Esterhuizen in just about every thread, attacking other members is literally all you do anymore.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 10:53
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06 Aug 2025, 10:53#27

The evidence of DA operating effectively in traffic is in every game he plays you idiot


Of course you are too fucking stupid to work out that modern day 12’s spend most of their time operating in traffic and DA is the most effective at this and why he is the one 12 in world rugby that had retained his spot for as long as he has despite the existence of the impressive AE


Is that relying on what others say about DA you plank? But on the view of Wilson, Will Greenwood, Schalk, Jean, Schalk Brits and Aplon - what the fuck do they know hey


A stupid prick like you along with a few other clowns on here obviously know better than these legends of the game


Your stupidity is an embarrassment

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 10:54
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06 Aug 2025, 10:54#28

Pakie your take on what the very very astute Greenwood had to say about DA evidences how fucking clueless you really are

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2025, 11:25
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06 Aug 2025, 11:25#29

Pakie


To pass the ball without contributing to drawing in defenders to create space is what represents a real try-assist. In that case none of it happened and all Esterhuizen did was to pass the ball to the wing who had to beat 3 defenders to score the try. I have never seen such a pass as a real try assist - since the contribution Esterhuizen made is routine passing - nothing else.


So lets refer to the try scored by Jesse Kriel in July where De Allende drew in tree defeers - inclusive o te full back made a dribble kick throug the els of the defenders and Kriel score dthe eases of tries. That was a real try assist to start with,


But OK call it an Esterhuizen try assist - but one in 20 tests without scoring a single try himself - is indeed a farce at best.



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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 11:57
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06 Aug 2025, 11:57#30

Pakie your take on what the very very astute Greenwood had to say about DA evidences how fucking clueless you really are


It is patently ridiculous, and it was clearly and directly influenced by the try DDA scored against Wales, getting around the soft Biggar and then holding off the #21 who also preferred to dust his shoulder rather than take out his legs.


He had no right to muscle his way through a pack of Welsh defenders at the weekend, but somehow he did. I really think it’s no exaggeration to say that if you stop De Allende, you stop the Boks.


Those two constitute Greenwood's "pack of defenders" - very astute indeed if you're into exaggeration. Regardless, it was a fine try, but it is also most certainly the single event that influenced Greenwood's claim.


He went on to say: Conversely, if you nullify him, I don't see how the Boks win.


The Boks won 32-12. They murdered England. DDA in the entire game bumped off one defender - Ford at minute 13:19, which was also his only dominant carry into contact the entire game. He made all his meters in space unopposed, had no hand either directly or indirectly in any of the tries. Pollard made more meters in contact as a ball carrier in that game, Am bringing the hands and beating tackles.


Yet Greenwood said he can't see how the Boks win if DDA is kept under control. As if there was no world beating talent around him, no Cheslin Kolbe to score a try probably no one else in the world would score, no PSDT to turn Ford into a quivering mess, no Faf to shut down move after move with his defensive reads.


Stop DDA and you stop the Boks? Prime grade twaddle.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 12:04
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06 Aug 2025, 12:04#31

I have never seen such a pass as a real try assist -


No one cares.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 12:06
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06 Aug 2025, 12:06#32

I’m not basing Greenwood’s rugby astuteness on what he said about DA I’m basing it on everytime he steps into the studio


The guy has a great rugby analytical brain something you clearly don’t


We have dumb Buttplug telling me I base my takes on DA thanks to what the likes of Greenwood, Jean etc say - that’s how fucking stupid he is. He fails to comprehend the fact I know my rugby and rely on my eyes to formulate an opinion of a player. The fact that my view is backed by a few greats of the game is an added bonus and serves to confirm what utter fools you lot are


But Pakie don’t worry I don’t tar you with the same stupidity brush as dumb Buttplug - you are at least able to formulate a credible albeit misguided opinion on things and I respect that

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 12:23
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06 Aug 2025, 12:23#33

I'm not doubting Greenwood is astute, I don't see enough of him to say otherwise. But every time you surrender yourself to exaggeration you tank your credibility as a critical commentator. And there's a lot of it going around, especially around a player like DDA. Georgia cut him down first tackle just about every contact, yet what do we read in the media? "He punched holes in the defense". I've developed an allergic reaction to hyperbole and demonstrable lies masquerading as journalism.


DDA actually had a decent final in 2019, but his biggest influence remains in his work around the breakdowns and his midfield defense in tight quarters. His carrying is no better than the average big 12 out there. As soon as things go wide or there is space around him he is vulnerable as hell, as we recently demonstrated in another thread, or as we saw in the final when Watson ripped past him down the touchline at minute 69:00 and Frans Steyn had to make the saving tackle.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
06 Aug 2025, 12:46
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06 Aug 2025, 12:46#34

So lets refer to the try scored by Jesse Kriel in July where De Allende drew in tree defeers - inclusive o te full back made a dribble kick throug the els of the defenders and Kriel score dthe eases of tries. That was a real try assist to start with,


Kriel didn't score the try, Arendse did.

He didn't draw in three, he drew one.

The fullback wasn't drawn in, he came across in cover.

It was June, not July.


For someone who accuses others of "inventing", you sure make up a lot of shit.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 13:03
#35
06 Aug 2025, 13:03#35

"He fails to comprehend the fact I know my rugby and rely on my eyes to formulate an opinion of a player."


I can't stop laughing!

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2025, 14:08
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06 Aug 2025, 14:08#36

Buttplug one certainty - I know more about the game and players than you ever will

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 16:30
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06 Aug 2025, 16:30#37

Davey boy, you need to realise that your vocal chords don't dictate objective reality.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2025, 16:51
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06 Aug 2025, 16:51#38

Dud Allende is okay in process defense….a clinger. He rarely if ever makes a big hit. I’m sure he has made one but nothing comes to mind. In open field defense he is unreliable….witness Nonu, witness Mo’unga, witness the Marchant cut in from the blindside where Dud vacated his channel.


Specifics vs claims. The Dud Allende hype has now reached farcical proportions. On attack there will inevitably be moments when things work out….but he doesn’t make them happen, they are chance occurrences where he can exploit a weak defender, Slade last year…..Biggar trying to strip instead of tackle in WC19.


He can’t make things happen because he computes nothing, sees nothing. He tried these grubber kicks a few seasons ago. Inevitably by the law of averages a few may succeed. But it’s not because can compute where the chess pieces are going to move.


He isn’t vulnerable like a Manie, just a strong process player with zero vision. He has one trick, going into the tackle at half pace, which makes it harder to bring him down and tractoring, slowly inching forward when the tackler thinks the job is done. But the offload that could make it useful never comes

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Aug 2025, 17:12
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06 Aug 2025, 17:12#39

And we are still waiting for Dave to reconcile his claim that rugby is too tight for a more creative and agile 12, while at the same time touting Willemse as his choice for 12 after De Allende. Willemse's stepping ability only being second to those of Kolbe and Arendse.


Thus far, all we got that is that "Willems is good". But so is Kolbe...shall we play him at 12?


I personally have no problem with Willemse at 12, or at least seeing how he does there on a longer term basis, and particularly now that Fassi has become who is. But, I'm not the one claiming that rugby is just so tight that not playing a blockhead with zero ideas at 12 is nerfing yourself, Davie is.


I'll respond for Dave...


"I have told you that DDA needs to retire at some point(we know this). I've also already said that Willemse is good and strong(we already know this too). Are you stupid? You know nothing. Willemse is a class act. He can play at 12."


You will notice how the above doesn't ever actually reconcile Dave's contradictory beliefs. It's nonsense wrapped in what he believes is logic.


Sorry for revealing your cheat code, Dave.


hahahaha

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2025, 17:43
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06 Aug 2025, 17:43#40

Pakie


Yiu arestrwwisted as per normal and just as shot as your description what happened in the try scor by De A llende in the French test - De Allende launched two kicks the one caught the recipiet nar the Springboks trylne and the other with your abve description. There were three playes tring to cover De Allende and he launched a dribble kick leadin to a try being scored, Shit is all you specialise in. .

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