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Johann Goosen beats the SA - A side

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2021, 15:08
#1
17 Jul 2021, 15:08#1

The SA "A" team led the Bulls in the second half by 14 - 0 until the brilliance of Goosen at flyhalf of the Bulls initiated  two tries both started by him and in which he played the decisive role show is what was missing in the SA-A side the previous week and also in the game today - a flyhalf that can get the backline operational.    The Bulls in the end won 17-14

I am sorry but both Steyn and Jantjies are not flyhalfs backsides - and one has to look no further than Goosen as a back-up flyhalf to Pollard in future.

His role in winning todays match  was clear and with Erasmus looking on and Nienaber also  looking on at the match I will indeed be surprised if Goosen does not get a call-up this week to the squad in case Pollard cannot play - they cannot go up against the Lions with any of  Steyn or Jantjies being the flyhalf - both are backline handicaps anyway.        


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SebPro2,680 posts
17 Jul 2021, 15:36
#2
17 Jul 2021, 15:36#2

The Goose has laid a golden egg...indeed there will be plenty of egg dripping off the faces of anti-Goosen posters. Hahaha.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jul 2021, 15:48
#3
17 Jul 2021, 15:48#3
Looks like the Boks “A” team got some practice losing, that should come in handy later?? I’ll watch the game later but I don’t see much enthusiasm on this site for the Boks.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jul 2021, 16:57
#4
17 Jul 2021, 16:57#4

JW I am reasonably optimistic but will wait till I see the team sheet.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2021, 18:42
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17 Jul 2021, 18:42#5

Wot not Timmo…..how about Lambie? Hahaha….the same old failed players punted by Pervert.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2021, 19:21
#6
17 Jul 2021, 19:21#6

Came on the scene in 2012, nearly ten years ago, and supposedly has a big game after all this time... and I'm supposed to be debunked now? 

I bet we look at the film and see something rather different. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2021, 19:44
#7
17 Jul 2021, 19:44#7

Look at it dim stooges and we know by now how you two twisted individuals look at matches.     Anyway Goosen is a  top class flyhalf - something Morne Steyn never was  and the same with Jantjies.         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jul 2021, 20:29
#8
17 Jul 2021, 20:29#8

Goosen has no BMT…..I know you just looooooove watching Seuntjies running through open fields. But put him a Lions test and he’ll crash and burn like always.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jul 2021, 20:49
#9
17 Jul 2021, 20:49#9

Ja, like De Alende and PSDT?...no chance of progression...will remain crap...forever!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
17 Jul 2021, 20:59
#10
17 Jul 2021, 20:59#10
Goosen leaves his gun on the bench in case he is too injured to make tackles during the match. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jul 2021, 21:06
#11
17 Jul 2021, 21:06#11

Unlike Morne Steyn he is a flyhalf who has more match temperament than Steyn - so shut up if you are only your normal tommyrot.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Jul 2021, 22:23
#12
17 Jul 2021, 22:23#12

BMT? Since when? Where? It's very easy to say these things, conjuring them up out of thin air, another thing entirely to prove it. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 04:22
#13
18 Jul 2021, 04:22#13

Kindergarten imbecile 

Mozart made that claim - are you saying he as per normal lied?   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 05:30
#14
18 Jul 2021, 05:30#14

Wrong I said he had no BMT.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 05:38
#15
18 Jul 2021, 05:38#15

What does the T in BMT stands for?   You know that you made an unsubstantiated statement and cannot prove it.    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 05:43
#16
18 Jul 2021, 05:43#16

Big Match ‘Temperament’ ….he has none…..now you have learned something today.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 05:55
#17
18 Jul 2021, 05:55#17

My statement is clear - it is your unsubstantiated opinion.   the actual fact has been proven is that  Steyn has no BMT anyway  and he was dropped three times from the Springbok team for that reason and thatw as also the reason that at Stade Francais he was the real bench flyhalf.   The example of the "A" team match last week is an example of that one too.   he made totally aimless and ball-handover kicks continuously during the match and was poor as a flyhalf anyway.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 06:20
#18
18 Jul 2021, 06:20#18

Steyn won the Lions series with a crucial, difficult kick. A great example of BMT. Steyn may have been dropped by coaches wedded to the ‘expansive game’, but clearly your man Erasmus sees his value.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 06:42
#19
18 Jul 2021, 06:42#19

Duplicate

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 07:42
#20
18 Jul 2021, 07:42#20

Erasmus was forced into picking someone for the SA A side last week because all the other alternatives failed.   Yesterday against the Bulls he picked  Jantjies and he failed s well.  In any even it is clear that White contracted Goosen as the main flyhalf of the Bulls and he proved his value yesterday against the SA A team. 

By the way - the  SA A team matches were de facto trials to see how players perform at present - it was not tests at all.   some players like both Morne and Jantjiers were poor in the games played.    \

As to BMT you are on very thin ground.   Since you refer only to one kick by Steyun as prove of BMT - what about the winning more difficult goal kick of Lambie in the 2014 test against the AB's.   You attack Lambie all the time and evens aid that kick was not a pressure kick   Very funny.   Also the reason why Steyn was dropped given by you is a farce - sorry to say.   H was dropped after the Dunedin test where he  missed 7 of 8 kicks at goal - which were anti any idea of BMT.   He was dropped in 2014 after the  second Wales test because of poor performance in 2014 and followed that up by his disaster causing the loss of the Springboks in 2014. in Perth.    Both showed zero BMT.  

May I also It also remind  you of  the two massive looses iagainst the  AB's in 2017 when Steyn was used by Coetzee - which were both disasters.

A bit of good news anyway.  both Pollard and Malherbe were tested again and is now negative.  They were not ill at all and is now certain to play on Saturday.   N o news on Steyn who was also found to be positive s yet.        \

        

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Jul 2021, 09:16
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18 Jul 2021, 09:16#21

One kick against a glittering career. You are not picking your battles wisely. About that 2014 test, where was Lambie's BMT when he blew an easy drop kick bang in front of the posts? He was lucky to have another shot and took it practically with his eyes closed such were the nerves. Then after that kick, in the very last movement of the game, he gets run right over and the All Blacks almost run it back for a try but for a miraculous breakdown steal from Thor. No, that 2014 test will always be about Pollard.

Lambie didn't have one solid test in his entire career at 10. His reputation was based entirely on one Currie Cup try, in a game where the Sharks pack absolutely obliterated the Stormers. You always pick the loser, every damn time! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 11:13
#22
18 Jul 2021, 11:13#22

Kindergarten Imbecile 

So did  Steyn not have a solid game ever.   That kick of Lambie followed after Martfield fucked up a line-out and the AB scored - that put the AB's in the lead.  The final score hinged on the  55 meter conversion kick by Lambie and that is a fact.

By the way all the stories of  Goosen not having BMT stemmed from  Mozart cklaiming that Goosen does not have BMT and I then pointed out that Steyn had none and proved it conclusively. throughout his playing career,      I also reminded Mozart of his statement at the time that the Lambie conversion was not a pressure kick - it certainly was.  

You laid yourself open to justified criticism  when posting on this site.   Why do you always make  fool of yourself  on site.   

by the  way I wonder how long  Esterhuizen would last with his present club.    The    past season was disrupted by two bans - one lasting 4 weeks and the other 5 weeks.    He must have been pretty broke after the bans  and the club would consider when to start looking for a replacement.               .   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jul 2021, 12:52
#23
18 Jul 2021, 12:52#23

"Steyn won the Lions series with a crucial, difficult kick. A great example of BMT. Steyn may have been dropped by coaches wedded to the ‘expansive game’, but clearly your man Erasmus sees his value."


Indeed, but that was 12 years ago...yet he's  still got some contribution to make ...great player.


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Jul 2021, 15:43
#24
18 Jul 2021, 15:43#24

Aye, Ou Lügnerin assured us that Rassie would never have geriatrics in his side, and went on for months about Meyer selecting Victor, only for Rassie to call up and play Frans as well as Britz. How wonderfully delightful. I love the way Lügnerin perches on the tee, readying himself for a thwack right into the hole. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 16:00
#25
18 Jul 2021, 16:00#25

Actually Erasmus has pretty much done the opposite of Pervie’s prescription. Picked Louw, picked Frans, picked Vermeulen, picked Morne ….and then abandoned the ‘expansive Rugby’ in favour of defence which Oom says never wins matches.

My problem with Erasmus is twofold. Firstly I don’t think it’s wise to rely solely on the counter attack. One can do some offloading provided it’s not in your own 22.

Secondly all the shenanigans are unnecessary. He should have coached the Boks through the next WC which is only 2 years away now.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Jul 2021, 17:20
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18 Jul 2021, 17:20#26

Throw in all the aimless shallow up and unders and it becomes quite comical! 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 18:09
#27
18 Jul 2021, 18:09#27

Yep another thing the Oom despises is kicking….but clearly Erasmus sends them out there with instructions ‘when in doubt….kick’

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 18:10
#28
18 Jul 2021, 18:10#28

 No the liar experts are at it again.  I never was against picking  Vermeulen - but questione his absence from the TRC in 2018.   Steyn and Louwe was used as back-ups and never started in crucial tests.    When they did come on they were not real major contribution to the team and was nondescript.      Fact is that  Morne was picked  in the absence of alternatives in the flyhalf position, but he will definitely not be used in the tests as he was piss poor when playing  in  for the A side same as Jantjies when he played for them against the Bulls.  

Both of you are incredibly biased and as a result incredibly stupid when it comes to Erasmus.  He was never appointed as Springbok Head Coach and would never have accepted that position - since he would not be able to get the Unions to work together to improve Rugby in the country as a whole.   His other condition was that he would help out with the coaching until the WC and would then make sure people of his choice are appointed in the coaching positions.

The3 fact is that  the most stupid person ever - the Kindergarten imbecile - talk about kicking and the lie of Mozart is repeated - nobody forbid off-loads by the players - and when  tries were scored and defense predominate they are deadly silent on results achieved.   There is a difference between  between effective rugby and the junk produced by the three idiot coaches who preceded  Erasmus.    The two making total morons of themselves .are  always in evidence.         .   .   .    

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jul 2021, 18:18
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18 Jul 2021, 18:18#29

And of course Erasmus has total confidence in Mostert. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 18:27
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18 Jul 2021, 18:27#30

 If Erasmus had total confidence in Mostert - he would have not dropped him to the bench in the WC games.   Mostert still get run over when trying to defend - it happened in the A team match on Wednesday as well.    He is in because De Jager and Mostert is not available yet as far as I know.    

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,234 posts
18 Jul 2021, 18:37
#31
18 Jul 2021, 18:37#31
Jake White hails amazing Mother Goose(n). Jake is happy he has layed his nest egg at the Bulls. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
18 Jul 2021, 19:16
#32
18 Jul 2021, 19:16#32

I don't care whether Josè Erasmus hadd confidence in him or not - Mostert is statistically and factually a key Bok. It is beyond dispute that RG is leaps and bounds better than the languid Lood in every possible way. Why did Josè refrain from the more dynamic and physical RG? Is he scared if offloads, of passing? Does he like heavy players, like Saffy? Esterhuizen has been dominant to the point of shutting down entire attacking games opponents, even man-handling Kerevi on his own. Why go for the flaccid, skilless and passive Damian? Josè doesn't like players who think, Josè likes to have players follow heavily scripted sequences to predictably control the movement of the ball. He likes territory and to kick any slow ball away. Consequence? Willie's production is at an all time low. We are languishing outside the top 10 for attacking output. Josè's opinion doesn't hold any weight with me until he can something credible to the table. It appears that the disco lights is his magnum opus.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jul 2021, 20:14
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18 Jul 2021, 20:14#33
Coming from the Kindergarten Imbecile the fact that he doers not care what Erasmus thinks and knows about rugby is amazing - since he himself does not know what the game of rugby is about.  
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
19 Jul 2021, 03:22
#34
19 Jul 2021, 03:22#34
So the Boks A team got beaten by the same Bulls side that was dicked by an Italian club side?????!!!! Good grief!!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jul 2021, 04:11
#35
19 Jul 2021, 04:11#35

It was not a real A-side - it was a collection of players more like a  experimental team to see who should play for the Springboks.    There were only a few of the Springboks in the team.   

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
19 Jul 2021, 09:10
#36
19 Jul 2021, 09:10#36
Rugby Pass said there were 9 RWC winning Boks in the side Mike. That’s more than a few….
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
19 Jul 2021, 09:38
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19 Jul 2021, 09:38#37
Not a real SA A side?
South Africa A – 15 Aphelele Fassi, 14 Yaw Penxe, 13 Wandisile Simelane, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Rosko Specman, 10 Elton Jantjies (c), 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Kwagga Smith, 7  Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Nicolaas Janse van Rensburg, 4 Jean-Luc du Preez, 3 Vincent Koch, 2 Joseph Dweba, 1 Coenie Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Fez Mbatha, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 Japser Wiese, 20 Sanele Nohamba, 21 Sbu Nkosi, 22 Jesse Kriel, 23 Damian Willemse, 24 Lizo Gqoboka.

Hmmm . . . I think most people who have any knowledge of rugby at all would know that the SA A side is usually made up of players on the fringe of Springbok selection. The only thing that disqualifies this team from that description is the inclusion of so many experienced Springboks . . . but here's ou Maaik - the world's stupidest person - saying that an "A" team with over 250 Springbok caps is not really an A side because there aren't enough Springbok caps.
Hard to believe this dribbling moron spends so much time on a rugby message board when he clearly hasn't the first clue.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
19 Jul 2021, 09:51
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19 Jul 2021, 09:51#38

Dave wil be able to pick a much better A-side...a couple of good players in there, but also a few has-beens never-beens and no-hopers too...they lost to da Bools, so definitely no world beaters.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Jul 2021, 12:17
#39
19 Jul 2021, 12:17#39

Ja, well, I looked at this game and think the SA team were just going through the motions and not really competing. They thought it was a training ground game and could mess around. 

Goosen really unlocked the boks defence. Absolutely subline skills and pace. I hope he makes his way back to the boks, still has at least 2 or 3 years left at his peak. 

BUT, did you notice Jake White  team  had almost no quotas in the team. The pack was full of white big proper bulls players and very young. 

That last try by the bulls was insane. 

Line broken by Goosen, I also thing that was low risk move as the worst that could have happened was getting tackled, but he broke the line, had a fantastic support runner, flank with lots of space, worked good pass wide and great kick back in field.

So Ja, I think the SA team had way to many quotas if you ask me

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