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Jones wants England to seize greatness

Started by Beeno112 REPLIES203 VIEWS· 13 Mar 2017, 09:21
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Mar 2017, 09:21
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13 Mar 2017, 09:21#1
England are currently looking the best team in the world.Ex Supersport

England coach Eddie Jones challenged his side to achieve “greatness” by completing back-to-back Grand Slams after they retained their Six Nations title with a round to spare following a 61-21 thrashing of Scotland at Twickenham on Saturday. (Not something the wee abs could do!!)

Jonathan Joseph scored a hat-trick as England ran in seven tries, with Owen Farrell overcoming a leg injury to kick 26 points as they overpowered Scotland in posting a record score in the 135th edition of rugby union's oldest international fixture.

Victory also saw England equal New Zealand's record of 18 successive test wins by a leading nation.

England will break the world champions' mark if they beat Ireland in Dublin next weekend, where a win would also see them complete a second straight clean sweep in the Six Nations.(GO ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

No side has done that in the Six Nations era, with France achieving consecutive Five Nations Grand Slams in 1997 and 1998.

England last managed the feat in 1992 and 1993

"We've got a fantastic opportunity," said Jones, yet to lose a match as England coach since taking charge following the hosts' first-round exit at the 2015 World Cup.

"It (would) mean for the players they've achieved greatness," the Australian added.

"How many times in your life do you get to be great? It's exciting. They're in the dressing room now talking about it. They want to do it."

Next Saturday's match takes place on St Patrick's weekend, with Ireland looking to bounce back from a 22-9 loss to Wales in Cardiff on Friday.

'VULNERABLE ENGLAND'

Jones said Ireland, who ended New Zealand's winning streak, would love nothing more than to spoil England's party.

"Ireland, psychologically, are in a very strong position," he added.

"They're beaten, they're out of the tournament and they love spoiling parties.

"And the party they'd love to spoil the most is the England party," insisted Jones, coach of the Australia side beaten by England in the 2003 World Cup final

"We're vulnerable, because we've won, we're champions of the Six Nations.

"We're going to have to work really hard to get ourselves right for the game. And we will."

Having established a 30-7 lead at halftime, England didn't let up and added 31 more points after the break on Saturday.

"The No 1 team in the world goes on and finishes that off," added Jones, whose ultimate ambition with England is to dethrone the All Blacks by winning the 2019 World Cup in Japan.

"We're not beating our chests and saying we're the No 1 team in the world, but we aspire to be the No 1 team in the world."(ARE NUMBER 1 IN ALL BUT RANKINGS!! KBBS MUST ACCEPT THIS TRUTH)

Scotland kicked off one win away from a Triple Crown and with high hopes of a first victory at Twickenham since 1983.

But they were never in the game, with their wafer-thin defence repeatedly ripped apart.

However, a win over Italy at Murrayfield next weekend could still see them finish second for the first time since the tournament became the Six Nations.

That would be a fitting way for Scotland to see off coach Vern Cotter.

The New Zealander is leaving to join French club Montpellier after Scotland felt they had to get Glasgow boss Gregor Townsend – 10 of whose players were in the starting XV at Twickenham – on board as coach of the national side or risk losing him to an overseas offer.

"It just got away from us quite quickly," said the understated Cotter.

Scotland captain John Barclay was rather more blunt, saying: "We just didn't show up today...That was useless."

A bruising encounter saw England's Elliot Daly and Scotland's Stuart Hogg, Tommy Seymour and Ryan Wilson all exit early with head injuries – a worrying sign given rugby union's growing number of concussions.

"It is a contact sport," said Cotter. "That’s why the players play it – they enjoy the contact.

"Some days you have them (head injuries)) and some days you have more of them," he added

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
13 Mar 2017, 09:39
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13 Mar 2017, 09:39#2
I would rather England hold the record than the All Blacks.... nothing personal  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Mar 2017, 10:08
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13 Mar 2017, 10:08#3
 DA anything that would induce some kbbs humility would be most welcome!
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Mar 2017, 10:54
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13 Mar 2017, 10:54#4
 
Must say I too would love it if the Poms took the title of consecutive victories.

In fact it would be great if they'd push it into the 20's and shut the arrogant Kiwi fans up for a spell.

Wouldn't that be a feather in Jones' cap?!

To think we turned our nose up at him for Cluts Coetzee ...



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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2017, 11:22
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13 Mar 2017, 11:22#5
 Arrogant ? Considering our boys achievements I think we are for the most part quite restrained .
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
13 Mar 2017, 11:36
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13 Mar 2017, 11:36#6
 Well warped DUD I would hate to see you oaks in full flight!
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WardadPro6,663 posts
13 Mar 2017, 12:37
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13 Mar 2017, 12:37#7
 I can only imagine what a little twat like you would be like were roles reversed ,considering you never give our boys their due unlike when your team beats our guys and we give your guys full credit.I would feel all dirty and ashamed were I having to resort to barracking for England ,even if our boys were doing poorly I still wouldnt do it .Just sad .
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 Mar 2017, 12:39
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13 Mar 2017, 12:39#8
 Arrogant, moi? Jamais 
Glad we finally have some competition as we have been let down badly by the Boks. Jones showed everyone how to turnaround a second rate side that's for sure now it's your turn.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:03
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13 Mar 2017, 14:03#9
 An english non white scored a hat trick.
Considering how much the english squad is praised, he might be worth selecting in SA if he was eligible.
It is only SA that have so much trouble in training, to the point they are forced to quota policy to cover the training failure.
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:04
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13 Mar 2017, 14:04#10
CleanCut

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Posts: 4784 RE: Jones wants England to seize greatness
March 13, 2017, 10:54:15

In fact it would be great if they'd push it into the 20's 


 

Same here....


Well, here are the upcoming tests for 2017


England vs Ireland - 18 March - Dublin

Argentina vs England - 10 June - San Juan

Argentina vs England - 17 June - Santa Fe

England vs Argentina - 11 Nov - Twickenham

England vs Australia - 18 Nov - Twickenham

England vs Samoa - 25 Nov - Twickenham


FYI, there have been 131 rugby tests between England and Ireland since first meeting in 1875.  England have won 76 of those and Ireland have won 47, with 8 games drawn.


I also see the tickets are going for over 500 pounds...... crazy stuff


So..... there is a "possibility" of attaining a 24 run winning streak before they come and visit our shores in 2018 for a 3 match series.


Who knows..... 27 is possible



CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 Mar 2017, 14:45
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13 Mar 2017, 14:45#11
 
It's definitely doable.

We boys in the southern hemipshere have been strutting our stuff the last few decades ... writting everyone north of the equator off ... only for the Poms to take it to a new level.




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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Mar 2017, 15:27
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13 Mar 2017, 15:27#12
I know some Kiwis were questioning England's winning sequence and pointing out that England didn't beat New Zealand once during the streak . . . but the Poms shut them up by pointing out the fact that New Zealand didn't beat England during theirs!

Truth is, neither England's or New Zealand's winning streak compares to South Africa's 17 match winning streak back in 1997/1998 when they beat pretty much everyone who matters  . . . home and away. There were no Uruguays or Namibias in the Springbok sequence. England and New Zealand didn't play one another once during their streaks but Nick Mallet's Springboks wins included at least one away win against each of the major powers.

Compare for yourselves. No question in my mind which streak is more impressive. By miles!

All Blacks winning streak (August 15 to November 4 2016)

1 - Australia (World ranking 3) 41-13
2 - Argentina (8) 26-16 (RWC)
3 - Namibia (20) 58-14 (RWC)
4 - Georgia (15) 43-10 (RWC)
5 - Tonga (12) 47-9 (RWC)
6 - France (7) 62-13 (RWC)
7 - South Africa (3) 20-18 (RWC)
8 - Australia (2) 34-17 (RWC)
9 - Wales (6) 39-21
10 - Wales (6) 36-22
11 - Wales (6) 46-6
12 - Australia (4) 42-8
13 - Australia (4) 29-9
14 - Argentina (7) 57-22
15 - South Africa (4) 41-13
16 - Argentina (7) 36-17
17 - South Africa (3) 57-15
18 - Australia (3) 37-10


England's winning streak (October 15 2015 to ?)


1 - Uruguay (19) 60-3 (RWC)
2 - Scotland (9) 15-9
3 - Italy (12) 40-9
4 - Ireland (8) 21-10
5 - Wales (4) 25-21
6 - France (8) 31-21
7 - Wales (5) 27-13
8 - Australia (2) 39-28
9 - Australia (2) 23-7
10 - Australia (4) 44-40
11 - South Africa (4) 37-21
12 - Fiji (10) 58-15
13 - Argentina (9) 27-14
14 - Australia (3) 37-21
15 - France (8) 19-16
16 - Wales (5) 21-16
17 - Italy (14) 36-15


South Africa's 17 match winning streak (August 23 1997 to November 28 1998)


23 Aug 1997 Australia Win: 61-22 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria

08 Nov 1997 Italy Win: 62-31 Dall'Ara Stadium, Bologna

15 Nov 1997 France Win: 36-32 Stade de Gerland, Lyon

22 Nov 1997 France  Win: 52-10 Parc des Princes, Paris

29 Nov 1997 England Win: 29-11 Twickenham, London

06 Dec 1997 Scotland Win: 68-10 Murrayfield, Edinburgh

13 Jun 1998 Ireland  Win: 37-13 Free State Stadium, Bloemfontein

20 Jun 1998 Ireland  Win: 33-0 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria

27 Jun 1998 Wales    Win: 96-13 Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria

04 Jul 1998 England Win: 18-0 Newlands, Cape Town

18 Jul 1998 Australia  Win: 14-13 Subiaco Oval, Perth

25 Jul 1998 New Zealand Win: 13-3 Athletic Park, Wellington

15 Aug 1998 New Zealand  Win: 24-23 Kingspark, Durban

22 Aug 1998 Australia Win: 29-15 Ellispark, Johannesburg

14 Nov 1998 Wales  Win: 28-20 Wembley, London

21 Nov 1998 Scotland Win: 35-10 Murrayfield, Edinburgh

28 Nov 1998 Ireland  Win: 27-13 Aviva Stadium (Lansdowne Road), Dublin

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Mar 2017, 18:29
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13 Mar 2017, 18:29#13
I just can't take the Pom record seriously given they have not faced the Kiwis a few times....we would not be having this debate if they had
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