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Keo a voice of reason

Started by Beeno17 REPLIES152 VIEWS· 04 Aug 2012, 16:52
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Aug 2012, 16:52
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04 Aug 2012, 16:52#1
along with another voice of reason whose name modesty prevents me from naming. Okay there were a few others too. Keo writes this before the game: MARK KEOHANE writes the Chiefs will win in Hamilton on Saturday and win easily.(Spot on) If they don’t it will be the biggest final’s implosion in the history of the competition.(spot on) I haven’t read a South African who isn’t backing the Sharks to take the title Not quite true!!). It is written in the stars say some. It is meant to be say others. Forget the travel, it isn’t a factor. The Sharks are operating on adrenalin, momentum and a belief they can’t be beaten.(Keo you have to be referring to the sharks fans who have been hallucinating about the Stormers win as well) I don’t buy the emotion of it all. I reckon the Chiefs will win by at least 15, which is what the New Zealand bookies have as a handicap on the final.(Spot on Keo) How different my thinking would be if the Sharks actually had a week to settle, prepared with more conviction than hope and did not have to negotiate the fatigue that comes with travelling overseas three times in three weeks. The Sharks were brilliant against the Reds. I picked that win. Historically they play well in Brisbane and the Reds were poor this season. I also picked them to beat the Stormers, because I felt they had the physicality to match the Stormers and the Stormers were never going to be a try-scoring threat. But the way the Sharks hit the wall with seven minutes to play was an indicator that they won’t get through 80 minutes in Hamilton on emotion, passion and belief. They will be huffing and puffing by half time and on the hour the reality of the travel will have set in.(Spot on keo.I too was concerned we would miss the physicality of schalk and Vermulen in the pack) The Sharks are as good a side as the Chiefs, but they are not significantly better. (Spot on Keo) To win this competition, playing the final in another country, requires a squad with few weaknesses and for all the heroics of the last three weeks the Sharks are not the complete package. The Chiefs aren’t either but they had the advantage of playing their semi-final last Friday, they have been at home all week and the only thing that can beat them is a spectacular implosion. I can’t see it happening because under Dave Rennnie and Wayne Smith they play pragmatic, percentages rugby and they are a team whose focus on defence is never at the expense of attack. (Spot on Keo) Sonny Bill Williams will be influential. He always is against the Sharks and I can’t see French flyhalf Fred Michalak taking too much contact in Hamilton. Michalak has enjoyed his best month of Super Rugby but he has never been one to mix it with the Kiwis and I don’t see that changing on Saturday.(Michalak was reasonably physical given his size) The first 30 minutes will be intense as both teams have individuals who thrive on physicality, but the Chiefs at 9, 10 and 12 will ask more questions in attack from structured play and they will target Michalak defensively. There will be individual heroics from the Sharks and world class players like Bismarck du Plessis will front the challenge, but science says the Sharks will be running on empty on the hour. (Fade started at about 29 minutes) John Plumtree and Grant Bashford are the best South African coaching combination in the tournament and they are up against the most balanced coaching duo in New Zealand. The Sharks, despite finishing out of the top four, have played the best rugby among South African teams and the Chiefs have been the stand out team in the competition.Played the best over the last few weeks but not over the whole tournament - go and look at the log Keo) Why could there not be a fortnight between semi-final and final? Not just for the Sharks but every year. South African players who have made the trek to New Zealand previously for semi-finals and the odd final have admitted afterwards that they were just making up the numbers. The same applies to those Kiwi or Aussie teams going to the Republic. The exception has always been the Crusaders, but even they took a beating whenever a semi-final meant travelling to Pretoria. The Sharks, as I keep on getting reminded, have travelled to Australia and beaten the Aussie Conference Champs. They then travelled to Cape Town and beat the South African Conference Champs. It apparently is written somewhere up above that they will travel to New Zealand and beat the New Zealand Conference Champs. Well I haven’t seen the writing and if the Sharks do succeed it will be the greatest play-offs success in the history of the competition. Home teams win finals in Super Rugby. History shows that and as is often quoted the only thing man can learn from history is that he never learns from history. It is fantastic how emphatic the support is for the Sharks but I’ve seen it all before. The blind loyalty in the build-up and then the absolute disbelief when they get pumped. In 2011 when Peter de Villiers took a second team to play the All Blacks I heard similar talk of a win and when the Boks took a 40-7 hammering there was way too much surprise among the supporters. Be loyal to your team. Be South African in your support but also know that this final is weighted heavily in favour of the hosts – as is every Super Rugby final. Keo its hard going talking sense to those addicted to the pipe! APART FROM SOME ERRORS THIS WAS A SOUND ARTICLE AND SHOWED YOU HAD A GOOD GRASP OF REALITY ON WHAT WAS MOST LIKELY TO HAPPEN. Many also didnt. Fact was the dice were stacked against Sharks and made the final a waste of time Beeno and Keo on the same page.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
04 Aug 2012, 17:04
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04 Aug 2012, 17:04#2

 Beeno, liked you and Keo's summary, "the Chiefs are a team whose focus on defence is never at the expense of attack".

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
04 Aug 2012, 17:33
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04 Aug 2012, 17:33#3

Trouble is what did this final all mean in rugby terms. This nonsese does the game no favours.

Instead of a hard fought final we are dished up this! Not worth the watching.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Aug 2012, 19:24
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04 Aug 2012, 19:24#4

Fortunately we were spared witnessing another choke by the Stormers with their cowardice gameplan.

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sharkbokCaptain23,301 posts
04 Aug 2012, 20:01
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04 Aug 2012, 20:01#5

 A voice of reason before or after powdering his nose?

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2012, 20:16
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04 Aug 2012, 20:16#6

 This was so obvious it hardly needed saying.What was concerning though, was the over powering of the Sharks toughies. The  beast for example had a hand down in many scrums.

 

We are not heading into the tests with good confidence

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radtad1Club Pro273 posts
05 Aug 2012, 04:38
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05 Aug 2012, 04:38#7

Moz,

 

exactely my thoughts - confidence coming up against the AB's and Wallabies is the damage it could do?

 

Even though the loss was still hard to deal with it was worrying how early and easily our Bok infested pak was made to look very ordinary.

 

If we listen to Beeno then we shouldn't have turned up......WTF!!!!!

 

The Sharks knew the permutations so they knew they couldnt and they didnt use travel as the excuse. The Chiefs won because they were the most consistent team through out the entire competition. So Beeno stop feckin bleatin on that we lost due to the travel fatigue....Or it was the draw or the format etc etc etc

 

As a few Kiwis have pointed on here the Crusaders played every game on an away basis and came tantalising coise to beating the Reds. The Sharks traveled also but thats what happens when you lose games that you should win.....................Nonetheless, they are still far and above better than the Stormers and Bulls so the best team contested

 

I dare not think what the score could have been if the Chiefs had a dry field to play on?   

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
06 Aug 2012, 12:38
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06 Aug 2012, 12:38#8

ahhhhhhhhhhhh i reckon old keo has some good snarf over the weekend for this blatant captain obvious master piece of work. a sharks team that has travelled more time zones than keo's coke ranger weekends at mavericks strip club. to be fair the chiefs were the best team on the day and i take it on the chin. it just seems some unsportman like gentleman just cant seem to move on with the sad lives. we were outplayed by the chiefs. that was the bottomline.

the sharks were flat. they needed to start well to just give there tired bodies some energy and motivation. the chiefs weathered the storm and start to attack them and the wall could not hold. the chiefs played total rugby. total rugby wins you rugby games my dear old stormers supporters not defence alone. you dont get points for tackles.

the sharks were on game pattern alone a lot better than the stormers or bulls. just shows how SA teams can play. the defence only mindset will lead to nowhere for sa teams so catch a wakeup

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