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Kolisi and Pollard talk about who are Boks most undervalued playets

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Feb 2024, 14:05
#1
29 Feb 2024, 14:05#1

Poor Mozzietard you have to feel a bit of sorrow for him, he just keeps getting it wrong and it's coming from Pollard. Hahahahahahaha.

Take a look


Boks most underrated players.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Feb 2024, 14:23
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29 Feb 2024, 14:23#2

‘We use him in a very specific way’…translation….we aren’t interested in creating space, offloading the ball, playing the wide channels, we need somebody who will make 2 meters a carry up the middle and not lose the ball.

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AJHPro3,183 posts
29 Feb 2024, 14:43
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29 Feb 2024, 14:43#3

Mostert, Smith would be my most undervalued players without doubt.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Feb 2024, 16:10
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29 Feb 2024, 16:10#4

Mine as well. Faf is another candidate….I don’t like the box kicking, but his constant disrupting of the opposing scrummies pays dividends. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Feb 2024, 17:07
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29 Feb 2024, 17:07#5

Ou mozzietard actually thinks he has a better understanding as to who is more undervalued that do Kolisi and Pollard. Pollard is a smart, experienced player and plays next to Allende so is well placed to assess the value Allende brings to the Boks.

I find his comments far more credible that ou Mozzzie

Allende has always been a competent test center and I am glad to see him get re cognition from his captain and the flyhalf he has played so many test with.

Faf is also undervalued, talk about warrior spirit.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Feb 2024, 17:49
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29 Feb 2024, 17:49#6

So if you are playing next to a player and your captain has  just called him undervalued, what do you do……right, you agree..

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2024, 09:57
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01 Mar 2024, 09:57#7
Malherbe for me - the unsung hero of that side Yep Schalk Brits said exactly the same about DA - has a super skill set but plays to a plan And boy that plan is working Mostert is not underrated he is just shit
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Mar 2024, 10:49
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01 Mar 2024, 10:49#8
Dda is not underrated he is overrated….he is strong and used as a battering ram….the skill set he used to have early Bok stormers days, has been coached out of him by the " Plan " ….maybe Brown can help Dda rekindle his Skills and help change the 1 point Gameplan.
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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
01 Mar 2024, 11:04
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01 Mar 2024, 11:04#9

Malherbe is past it. He was not scrumming very well - at least for some time now. 
OX is the best scrumager - but I suppose he is not undervalued.

Jessie Kriel might get the tag of the most underated player. His defence is very good, and he did contribute on attack.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2024, 11:25
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01 Mar 2024, 11:25#10
Imagine being stupid enough to believe a skill set can be coached out of a player This pathetic ignorant take on Rassie, the best coach we have ever had is fucking insulting Only a fucking idiot would throw negatives at Rassie or have the ignorant view that we don’t play attacking rugby Wake the fuck up we scored more tries, beat more defenders, made more clean breaks than any other sides in the 2019 WC and similar at this last WC
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Mar 2024, 13:07
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01 Mar 2024, 13:07#11

I am afraid Dave some oaks just lack Rugby acumen. 

I forgot about Malherbe. The tight head position is crucial to the scrum and Malherbe stood up to everything throw at him. He also did his defensive work well.

Sharktwit is right about Jessie Kriel. He had a great RWC and silenced his many critics. 

All the players gave it their all in my opinion. The team spirit, never say die attitude was OUTSTANDING. Hats off to Rassie for bri nging this dedication and will to win to such a high level. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Mar 2024, 13:49
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01 Mar 2024, 13:49#12

"So if you are playing next to a player and your captain has  just called him undervalued, what do you do……right, you agree.."

You are misrepresenting Pollard’s respose, because you didn't like it and then you lable him a jabroer (yes man) ...there was enough room for him to nominate someone else without embarrassing the captain, but yet he affirmed Kolisi's choice...clear as daylight...I too would like some more flair in the Bok backline , but DdA has been more than just a solid constant in a Bok team that's won back to back RWCs...he deserves some credit...the flack he takes from some on here is ridiculous. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Mar 2024, 14:03
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01 Mar 2024, 14:03#13

Gosh Draad thanks for that. I was struggling to capture your posture succinctly….Jabroer is perfect.

I repeat, Dud Allende took us out of WC 2015 by failing to bring down Nonu and running next to him for 25 meters. He did exactly the same thing 8 years later running next to Mo’unga ceding a try which was disallowed.

He made exactly two substantive contributions….running over Biggar who stupidly tried to strip him in the Welsh 2019 test. And taking advantage of a lucky bounce against France this year.

That and a bunch of 2 meter stampkar runs are his WC  oeuvre. Incredibly overrated is the truth,

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Mar 2024, 14:20
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01 Mar 2024, 14:20#14

Me a jabroer? That's a BIG lie...Pinocchio will be envious. 

...as for DdA...no superstar, but not as k@ k as you make him out to be...similar to AA...solid, but no Gerber or Jean.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Mar 2024, 14:28
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01 Mar 2024, 14:28#15

 Another Mozart lie is obviously what Mozart is capable of.   He lied about what happened in the 2015 semi - and what he said was disputed by everybody in the rugby world - but Mozart keeps repeating it.     

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2024, 20:43
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01 Mar 2024, 20:43#16
Blaming the impressive DA for our WC exit is insulting and laughable He was 12 of the WC in 2019 and pretty damn close in 2023 DA is and always has been a class act playing to a plan You stop DA you stop the Boks according to Will Greenwood He is spot on
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Mar 2024, 21:45
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01 Mar 2024, 21:45#17

Well then we have been stopped a lot Dud has one of the lowest meters per carry stats. The difference between Dud and Esterhozen is Andre is creative, Dud is all process.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2024, 22:03
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01 Mar 2024, 22:03#18
Wrong DA carries in traffic and makes metres as he is so damn powerful. He is the best in the game at taking it up in traffic and that’s why the Boks are tops - he sets up phases drawing defenders in Its that same power that sees him clock the most dominant tackles by any back playing the game in 2023 DA is unstoppable in traffic You can’t begin to compare him with Esterhuizen as Esterhuizen does not have enough tests behind him to merit any true evaluation It’s testament to how good DA is that he has kept the impressive Esterhuizen out of the starting side for so long He is going to be a massive loss when he stops playing for the Boks
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Mar 2024, 22:47
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01 Mar 2024, 22:47#19

You have your views…I see a player who takes the ball up at half pace, but is hard to pull down. Nothing ever comes from his runs, he never offloads, he rarely makes a clean break.

He is easily bamboozled on defense and taking a page out of your book, I don’t believe those dominant stats. In fact I can’t recall one big hit he has made his whole career..,,cling and at best push.

When he is gone the biggest impediment to the Boks playing creative rugby will be removed.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Mar 2024, 23:21
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01 Mar 2024, 23:21#20
Geez Moz his strength is his strength he is not there to make clean breaks as very few centres do as there is limited opportunity to so in test rugby - it’s the very reason every test side bar possibly the AB’s that have a big bruiser at 12. Rassie recognised this fact ages ago hence the investment in DA. He is literally a physical freak - when he takes contact he carries defenders, setting up the next phase in the process. The art of taking contact draws defenders in. You don’t offload as that takes the phase set up out of the equation. Do you guys not get this? It’s the plan - take contact breach the advantage line and set up the next phase. It’s what he is instructed to do, it’s the plan. But obviously when the opportunity presents itself he attacks - we have seen steps, good lines, the works I fully get DA and what he does, I fully get that there is no space in test rugby for centres to dazzle - those days are gone. I fully get why Rassie has invested in him as he is so good at taking it up. I rate DA highly and that is not going to change and I’m glad Rassie has shown faith in him just like he has in Am over Kriel - they are a perfect match - DA the brawn, Am the brains and silk
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Mar 2024, 03:22
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02 Mar 2024, 03:22#21
Saffex. All three the final games of the WC, and the Irish and Scotty games are up on the net. "Wrong DA carries in traffic and makes metres as he is so damn powerful. He is the best in the game at taking it up in traffic and that’s why the Boks are tops - he sets up phases drawing defenders in" All we ask for evidence... Post the video and the time stamps. Show us what you are talking about above. The truth is DDA is hardly ever given the ball. That's why he is almost never involved in any play that results in a try. I posted a video here recently that showed all the tries since the previous WC...and the ball hardly ever went through DDA's hands for any tries. When there is an attacking move, DDA is almost always completely cut out with a skip pass or other movement. The Boks don't trust DDA on attack. And I don't blame them. He's just there to ruck in midfield.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 11:17
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03 Mar 2024, 11:17#22

Plum I personally have seen Allende making good hard yards in heavy traffic many, many times. Its astonishing you have not noticed this.

Enjoy this = 

Damian de Allende Tribute | Unstoppable

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 11:19
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03 Mar 2024, 11:19#23

Here is another video about the powerful Allende

Midfield Monster | Damian De Allende Rugby Tribute

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 11:21
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03 Mar 2024, 11:21#24

Bye the way oaks do notice the pace Allende has and the passing skills.

Those undervaluing Allende clear lack rugby acumen. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 11:33
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03 Mar 2024, 11:33#25

two years ago:

Damian de Allende Tribute | The best Inside Centre in Rugby

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 11:37
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03 Mar 2024, 11:37#26

They say prejudice blinds. Those smearing Allende cant recall him making ground in heavy traffic, he cant ball the ball, has no skills etc Why would they say things so obviously wrong. Because they block out any good play that Allende comes up with.

I do hope these three clips educate the Allende bashers and cause them to ask themselves how they got it so hopelessly wrong.

Beeno at your service as always!




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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2024, 12:58
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03 Mar 2024, 12:58#27
FFS Plum he has a whole career of test matches and is certainly not defined by 3 or 4 games There are a few things you could challenge on when it comes to DA but one you can’t is his power and to say he is hardly given the ball is the biggest load of shit I have ever read as is him not breaking the advantage line when he does Fuck me let’s face it Rassie is not rugby ignorant so if has invested in DA for as long as he has - what’s it for - his creativity? No it’s the physical impact he makes with ball in hand and in defence - hence most dominant tackles by a back for the year 2023 I’m surely not going to go watch every game just to time stamp his carries. I’m not wasting my time on such ignorance I’d rather watch paint dry to be honest
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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
03 Mar 2024, 14:18
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03 Mar 2024, 14:18#28
Delande is solid- but I think Esterhuizen should have been given more game time.
They are both good at carrying the ball up, but Esterhuizen is the better playmaker.


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Mar 2024, 16:40
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03 Mar 2024, 16:40#29
Saffex. The DDA argument is a slippery one. I'll say that he is involved in proportionally too few scores, and you you'll say that's not true. Then I'll post a video that covers all the tries the Boks for a period of 6 years, demonstrating my point. Then you'll say that his role isn't to make tries. You'll say that he's there to carry up in midfield. Then I'll post his stats and more videos showing that he doesn't carry the ball up more solidly than any number of 12s on the international scene. Then you'll elude to some abstract idea about other people's opinions of him and how there is some mystical quality that he has that. A quality us mortals just aren't smart enough to understand, but that Rassie gets. Round and round we go.
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Mar 2024, 16:48
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03 Mar 2024, 16:48#30
Beeno...I only watched that last clip. My word man. Is that really the best 12 in the game? Highlights from Irish club games? That all looks big ordinary to me. He still loves a crab run. Unless he cuts inside, he simply will never run straight when there is space. Always reduces the special advantage for the players outside him. He does it numerous times in that very clip. And what none of these clips show you is the insane amount of brain freezes he has. The countless occasions where he seems incapable of running a support line. The bad decisions.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2024, 17:15
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03 Mar 2024, 17:15#31
Don’t lie you won’t be posting everything covering 6 years what crap And nor will you be providing 6 years of evidence of him being ineffectual in his carries So explain to me then - why does the ignorant and stupid Rassie keep selecting him is it for his creativity, his stepping, his offloading, his persistence ability to attack space huh? Why does he select him? Just as much as I’m not going to sit through years of coverage to prove his carries in traffic are effective nor will you be providing evidence of the opposite I don’t need video coverage to prove to me or you that DA’s primary role is to carry in traffic and I’m certainly not stupid enough to believe the very astute Rassie would pick him for the past 6 years if he was ineffectual in that role - blindingly fucking obvious
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
03 Mar 2024, 19:19
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03 Mar 2024, 19:19#32
You need to stop the hypocrisy of claiming Rassie is a genius and the fact he selects DDA validates him. ...BECAUSE HE ALSO SELECTS MOSTERT!!! So you have to decide, either selecting a player does or doesn't validate him. You can't have it both ways. Let me know what you decide.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
03 Mar 2024, 20:00
#33
03 Mar 2024, 20:00#33

AE should be included in the bomb squad.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Mar 2024, 20:55
#34
03 Mar 2024, 20:55#34

Plumster you asked for examples. Look at the first two clips. 

You would be going on so ignorantly had you actually looked at the evidence presented. You might note that these clips include internationals.

Educate yourself. Then comment. The wise approach. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Mar 2024, 23:48
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03 Mar 2024, 23:48#35
Does Rassie select Mostert as his first choice lock - NO There is your answer And please don’t ask me to validate that and therein lies your error Hypocrisy my arse
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Mar 2024, 01:25
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04 Mar 2024, 01:25#36

https://www.facebook.com/rugbyworldcup/videos/barrett-scores-crucial-try-v-springboks/10153745407837174/

The Barrett try to win the WC semi. Allende is 5 meters behind Pollard and actually outside his direct opponent. …his direct opponent is inside him and deep.. JP is marking Barrett.

Dud is hopelessly out of position, the inside backs have come up, he is way behind. But instead of showing urgency to bring down Umaga he is at half pace initially allowing  him to run 25 meters. He even bites on Nonu’s slow down fake, slowing down himself, instead of going in to make the tackle. JP  is forced to come inside to counter the direct try threat. An easy pass to Barrett and bye bye WC.

It’s all there to see…Dud’s man makes the break that wins the semi and likely the WC because of Dud’s poor positioning and lack of commitment.

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
04 Mar 2024, 06:07
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04 Mar 2024, 06:07#37
Nonu Moz??
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Mar 2024, 10:38
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04 Mar 2024, 10:38#38
Blaming DA for that try is insulting just as I envisaged before I even watched the clip. It’s the usual biased bullshit The only reason that try was scored was thanks to Schalk conceding possession in contact
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
04 Mar 2024, 10:57
#39
04 Mar 2024, 10:57#39
It was the mistake of Schalk losing possession and Dda in not making that tackle sooner, which gave Nonu enough time to sent Barrett of for the try.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Mar 2024, 11:20
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04 Mar 2024, 11:20#40
How was DA going to make the tackle sooner?
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