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Lambie to conquer Cardiff 'hothouse'; Rugby 365

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Nov 2014, 08:33
#1
27 Nov 2014, 08:33#1

Patrick Lambie has a golden opportunity to steal a march on his main rivals in the race for the Springbok No.10 jersey at the World Cup.

Lambie's selection at flyhalf, ahead of prodigiously talented Handré Pollard, for the final Test of the year-end tour against Wales in Cardiff on Saturday, has caused considerable debate.

Coach Heyneke Meyer has stopped short of installing Lambie as favourite for the No.10 spot at next year's global showpiece, but he made it clear Lambie's greater experience and poise in the wet and damp conditions in Europe is what earned him the nod ahead of Pollard this week.

Originally Lambie and Pollard would have played two Tests each on the tour.

Pollard started in the loss to Ireland, played in testing conditions in a wet Dublin.

Lambie started against England, where his composure played a big role in the Boks' win at a slightly less wet Twickenham - a crucial drop-goal and sublime chip-kick the key plays in a three-point triumph.

The 24-year-old Lambie also featured in the starting XV in last week's win over Italy, prompting the expectation that 20-year-old Pollard will get the No.10 jersey against Wales for his second start of the tour.

However, Meyer explained that the conditions in Cardiff and Lambie's experience were the factors that weighed most heavily in the decision.

The Bok coach admitted he considered bringing Pollard back.

"Patrick Lambie was the form player on the year-end tour last year, but unfortunately was injured and didn't play much in the June internationals," Meyer told a media scrum at the team's training base in Cardiff.

"Handré Pollard is a brilliant youngster, especially on a dry field - we know what he can do on attack.

"I just felt I needed to keep some continuity, as it has been difficult to keep some continuity on this tour. In fact the whole year it has been difficult to keep continuity - only three players played in all 12 our games this year. It has also been a tough year with injuries.

"Playing in the wet conditions, against a good Welsh side we would need some experience.

"Cobus Reinach is also young, while Patrick Lambie is playing some great rugby, and Pollard is dangerous when he comes off the bench."

Meyer was adamant he hasn't lost faith in Pollard.

"I have always had a plan with him and he will get a start next year again."

Meyer said he was unsure if the Millennium Stadium roof would be closed, as it normally is, but felt that even with a closed roof the conditions will be testing - "like a hothouse effect" with dampness and humidity.

"That is why we need the additional experience of Patrick Lambie."

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
27 Nov 2014, 08:37
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27 Nov 2014, 08:37#2
Them Lamb it is. IMO not a bad choice as Pollard needs to be developed & not always thrown in the deep end. Pollard off the bench is the right call.
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
27 Nov 2014, 08:47
#3
27 Nov 2014, 08:47#3
I think Meyer recognises that Pollard is not yet as astute as Lambie with his tactical kicking and that part of the game is highly valuable in the NH.  
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Nov 2014, 09:44
#4
27 Nov 2014, 09:44#4
Excellent opportunity for Patrick to silence his critics...I expect a performance from him.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
27 Nov 2014, 09:53
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27 Nov 2014, 09:53#5
 
No better choice if you ask me.


BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
27 Nov 2014, 10:30
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27 Nov 2014, 10:30#6
Meyer has it spot on with these two. It has been a long time since we had any depth at 10!!! Boshoff is also no fool at 10
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
27 Nov 2014, 10:41
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27 Nov 2014, 10:41#7

I agree, it took him long enough though.


BUt Lambie and Pollard with Goosen and Boshoff as back ups give us some depth in a position we didn't have for a while.


WHat I also like is the back up it gives to Willie at 15, both Lambie and Goosen can slot in at the back if necessary.


SO it really doesn't matter who starts and who is on the bench, as long as Meyer selects the form payer as a starter which has eluded him with Morne Steyn. 


It gives me confidence that at least now we have two playmakers in the backline at 10 and 15, now all we need is a midfield combination that can distribute better.

DE
DezertFoxPro2,288 posts
27 Nov 2014, 15:06
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27 Nov 2014, 15:06#8
Lambie was poor last year, and has been poor this year. Lambie has a disastrous test outing against England, and is rewarded? He then has another poor showing against Italy and is selected again? What is it with this player? Lambie was so poor last year the commentators kept commenting on the fact that we "seem to have lost a bit of sting since Lambie came on", "He's struggling a bit out there". 
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
27 Nov 2014, 15:12
#9
27 Nov 2014, 15:12#9
Yes Lestat, Lambie is kak, in fact he is so kak he is  ahead of the game because Meyer simply doesn't believe anyone can be that kak and still be playing rugby. 
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Nov 2014, 15:51
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27 Nov 2014, 15:51#10
If you want to go back many years in Springbok rugby...Lambie is a typical Keith Oxlee of our times... most of you probably don't remember Keith...except me, Mike and Mozart.

My company, I worked for, quite a long time ago invited Wynand Claasen as a guest speaker to our conference in Swaziland...and by a stroke of luck Wynand and his delightful wife was seated at the same table...it was an honour and priviledge...Wynand was asked many questions at the table...mostly about his tour as captain to NZ when apartheid caused violent reaction there...flour bombs etc and team sleeping under stadium benches...I asked him about the best flyhalves ever... he gave an account but mention Keith (incidentally so did John Gainsford years previously at Foresters Arms in Newlands a few years before)...they said more or less, Oxlee revolutionised backline play and changed the conventional role of no 10's.

Innovative and different but thinking foxy strategies...Lambie I believe has this gift but the pressure is a 100fold more today. He must be left alone...Morne was effective in a clone-like and robotic way ...PL has the nous of PB, DC and JW and DY...he is strictly a strategist...I know I'm sticking my head now but I have confidence here.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Nov 2014, 17:07
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27 Nov 2014, 17:07#11
I saw Keith Oxlee play at Newlands....one of my favorite players. But I'm not sure Lambie is this tactical throw back to Oxlee. This is a big game for him on Sarurday. Lambie's history is one of bright starts followed by decline. The 2013 S15 is a good example.
So we saw a fine cameo performance against Oz, followed by a less certain one against the ABs rescued by the big kick.
And again he was at his best against Ireland.....much less effective against the Poms...and really quite poor against Italy, Pollard was a big step up. So what happens against Wales? This is a team we should/have to beat. But they are more dangerous than Italy. Does he become a Nervous Nellie again?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Nov 2014, 17:55
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27 Nov 2014, 17:55#12
 Mozart description ofthe performance of players in games is so tainted by his prejudice against certin players he dislikes so the following is really one of thoise BS assessments:-
"And again he was at his best against Ireland.....much less effective against the Poms...and really quite poor against Italy,"
Now  how much less effective was Lambie against England?  His stats may tell us the story:-
Lambie0/0164/4/20000110/10/000/0
Scoring 18 points and geting not enough balls to play with - while inititating one of the tries scored, and making a very high number of tackles - does not make him out to be a less-effective flyhalf.
The quite poor against Italy is another really BS assessment:-
Lambie0/034/14/63400016/00/000/0
There is no indiucatuion of poor play by Lambie in the Italy test.  Two moves started by him should have led to tries - but for Matfield moonlighting in the backline and failing to catch the balls passed to him.   Lambie's ball carries showed much ground gaimed and his defense was spotless.   So why was he poor?  Because Mozart wants to rate him as poor like he does with so many other players.   

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
27 Nov 2014, 19:04
#13
27 Nov 2014, 19:04#13
 Ol'Mike you are my friend and so is Moz....although he often sees things differently, I still respect him...his problem is that he studies stats and mathematics...he's conditioned to this but your're also conditioned to the rat race of feelings and politics...we are all so very different and are pals, at least I hope, I've even tried to accommodate Rooinek , although not easy but with a bit of tact and interest and respect you can achieve wonders.

I failed dismally when I went out of character and had words with a few provacative guys here but as the grey hairs increase tact and wisdom takes over...we don't last forever...and if we get news that anyone of us coffin dodgers gets laid to rest...how will you feel if your last words were ugly..
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