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Lardy to play for Stormers?

Started by Beeno113 REPLIES430 VIEWS· 23 Jan 2013, 11:11
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 11:11
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23 Jan 2013, 11:11#1

Ex Supersport

The name of Springbok World Cup winning captain John Smit is being circulated as a possible inclusion in the Stormers squad for the opening Vodacom Super Rugby match against the Bulls in Pretoria towards the end of next month.

Coach Allister Coetzee confirmed at a press conference in Hermanus last week that he was looking for an extra hooker due to the injury that at that time was threatening to put Scarra Ntubeni out for four weeks and threatened to force him to miss the opening game. Since then, however, his worst fears have been realised, with Ntubeni having to undergo an operation on Tuesday that will keep him out until April.

With Tiaan Liebenberg, the back-up Springbok hooker from last year’s Rugby Championship campaign, still unsure of whether he will be able to start the new season due to the injury that knocked him out of the end of year tour and the closing stages of the Currie Cup, that does leave Coetzee in a bit of a hole. His only completely fit hooker at the moment is Deon Fourie, who led Western Province to Currie Cup silverware last season from a position in the loose-forwards.

Ntubeni’s progress was one of the shining lights of the 2012 domestic campaign, so his loss is a big blow. (Lets not ge ttoo excited by this very small hooker Ntubeni just yet. He could well get hammered in the Super 15 and weaken our scrum. We need another big hooker and John would do nicely thankyou-- good thinking Alistair)

Fortunately Tiaan (Liebenberg) is making good progress and we have been pleased to see him back in training and he was able to help out at the lineouts. It looks like he may be ready for Loftus,” said Coetzee in Hermanus.

However, it looks touch and go, and Coetzee won’t want to risk it. The next player in line, WP under-19 star Freddie Kirsten, is a promising forward, but Coetzee won’t want to throw him in at the deep end in a massive Super Rugby derby before he has even played Currie Cup rugby.

That’s where Smit comes in, with sections of the Cape media speculating on Wednesday that WP’s good relationship with English club Saracens, where Smit is currently backing up former Stormers star Schalk Brits, could bring the 33-year-old into the frame on an early season loan basis. Of course, whether Smit would want to play Super Rugby again, particularly for the Stormers, is another story, as he is certainly not a player who needs to experience that competition or prove himself to anyone in South Africa.

The hooking situation aside, the Stormers look in rude health, though much may depend on how Schalk Burger comes through his first couple of games after sitting out almost the entire 2012 season with a troublesome knee injury that some thought might end his career.

Nizaam Carr, Siya Kolisi, Rynhardt Elstadt and Andries Bekker all joined Burger and Liebenberg at training in Hermanus, and Duane Vermeulen is of course back in the mix after sitting out the second half of last year’s Super Rugby campaign.

Add to that the Lions players who have moved down, with Elton Jantjies, Jaco Taute, Ruan Botha and Pat Cilliers bolstering the depth, as does Michael Rhodes, and it appears the Stormers have options that last year they didn’t have.

Perhaps the biggest gain of all though is the growth of some of the young players on the WP books in the space of the 12 months that have passed since last year’s training camp in Hermanus. Back then everyone was talking about young Eben Etzebeth because of his physique, but now the conversation is a different one, with the lock having established himself as one of the best players in his position in world rugby. (Ou saSUE imagines retardlick outplayed him. Bwahahahahahahha hilarious stuff from saSUE)

It’s a far cry from the last time the Stormers held a media open day at a pre-season camp, when all the talk was about what the Stormers had lost. Back then it was just two days after the shock resignation of Rassie Erasmus as director of rugby, and on the playing side there had been no substantial gains to off-set the loss of stalwart flank Francois Louw and the much spoken of departure of Johann Sadie and JJ Engelbrecht for the Bulls. (You can add in Quin Rouzx and Koster as well)

Louw would still walk into the Stormers side if he wasn’t enjoying himself so much in England, as he showed during an impressive international season with the Springboks. But Kolisi effectively stepped into the void (No Deon Fourie effectively stepped into the void and was probably the outstanding 6 in SA last year), and so did Carr before his injury. While Engelbrecht’s star has soared at the Bulls and the Stormers may well approach him to fill the void that will be left when Bryan Habana leaves (IT would be great to get JJ back and on track again!!!), Sadie’s has waned, while other players who have left have also been more than capably replaced, as shown by WP’s triumph of depth in winning both the Currie Cup and Vodacom Cup last year. (YES WP WON THE CURRIE CUP AGAINST A VIRTUALLY A FULL STRENGTH SHARKS SIDE WITH A DEPELTED TEAM!!! - SOMETHING OU ROOITWIT SHOULD TAKE NOTE OF)

John should grab the chance to play for the illustrious Stormer if given the chance. It would complete his CV.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jan 2013, 13:24
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23 Jan 2013, 13:24#2

Smit would be a far better option than the useless Liebenberg

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Stormer77Rookie76 posts
23 Jan 2013, 13:35
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23 Jan 2013, 13:35#3

If rugby ever followed the trend of customized shirts like most other sports do(i.e. each player has their own shirt number,Kallis #3,Messi #10,Cristiano Ronaldo #7) this would be 1 shirt that would make a few bob

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Stormer77Rookie76 posts
23 Jan 2013, 13:38
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23 Jan 2013, 13:38#4

As for the "Complete his CV" part,I cant see winning an SA COnference title or a Super Rugby title meaning as much as a World Cup,Lions TOur or 2 Tri-Nations as captain of your country

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 14:02
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23 Jan 2013, 14:02#5

Please Stormer77 you dont know WP's distinguished history as SAs  premier rugby province. John will I am sure feel highly honoured to be part of this elite history even if briefly.
As for Liebeberg - an unlucky player as he was picked earlier on his career for the Boks but I think was injured then as well. So missing the NH tour must have been very disappointing for this big mobile hard hitting hooker.

Ou snapster as so often happens has no clue - more than one Bok coach has rated Liebenberg snapster. Of course he is not under 21 so is of no account in your foogy eyes. Bwahahahahahaha what a complete plank!

Liebenbergs fitness is crucial. Our other hookers are small and our scrum suffers against stronger scrummaging sides when he is not around. That might be mitigated a bit this season as young Kitshoff and Malherbe improve as they surely will - on a big upward curve one would think at their age.

I hope Lardy plays a full season for us - that would be great - we could ensure he gets properly fit and at his right weight - about 115 kg - Liebenbergs weight. Lardy will never have Liebenberg's pace of course but he will do his bit as a tight forward and add a lot of nous to the squad.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jan 2013, 14:07
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23 Jan 2013, 14:07#6

Liebenberg is a very average player with a propensity to concede penalties - another Dean Greyling - no brains.

 

Deon Fourie is a must to start for the Stormers at 2, with Skara on the bench.......forget the average Liebenberg, it was insulting seeing him in a Bok jersey on the EOYT

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EkPro1,464 posts
23 Jan 2013, 15:26
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23 Jan 2013, 15:26#7

Not so sure if this is such a great idea...will have to wait and see, i cannot comment on the form the Smit is in. Maybe Brits would have been a better option...Or even borrowing a hooker from the Lions or Griquas or something...

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jan 2013, 15:30
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23 Jan 2013, 15:30#8

Smit is past it but still a better option than Liebenberg

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 16:04
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23 Jan 2013, 16:04#9

Liebenberg is in the top three hookers in SA at the moment. He is no ways a penalty machine so no more of this smear campaign snapster.

Deon Fourie is NOT the hooker we want against  strong scrummaging sides. Apart from his scrumming he is brillaint so why hasnt he been called up as a hooker for the Boks. Reason snapster is his scrumming. He is however an outstanding number 6 - a lot better currently than Kolisi who still has some growing up to do as he faded in the last season. Kolisi should be a bit better this season. Ntubeni i sbarely 100 kgs and will battle also at scrum time.

So if we get Lardy we are sitting pretty. Two big hookers and two very quick ones. Ideal for the squad. Not ideal though if Liebenberg is the only big hooker and he gets injured etc.

Hope you are understanding this all a bit better snapster.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 16:06
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23 Jan 2013, 16:06#10

Smit can probably still put in  agood 60 minutes EK. We shall see if he comes here how fit he is.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Jan 2013, 16:18
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23 Jan 2013, 16:18#11

Dream on Liebenberg is nowhere near in the top 3,

 

The order is:

 

1. Bismark

2. A.Strauss

3. Chiliboy

4. Schalk Brits

5. Deon Fourie

6. Callie Visagie

7. Burden

8. Cyle Cooper

9. Skara Ntumbeni

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 17:26
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23 Jan 2013, 17:26#12

You are  a laugh a minute!!!

Well ou rooitwit seems to have been busy - doing some desparate research in an effort to try and find some answers to my two questions!  Poor oak is shattered.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jan 2013, 18:58
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23 Jan 2013, 18:58#13

Alistair has confirmed that Lardy has not been approached to play for Stormers.

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
24 Jan 2013, 00:59
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24 Jan 2013, 00:59#14

deon fourie should start every game possible for the stormers, he should have been called into the Boks flast year after an amazing spXV season IMO.


while deon is not known as a reputable scrumagger, i dont think its quite as bad that u should change him for liebeniceberg or any other hooker just cos the stormers face a formidable scrummaging opponent.

the scrums is in itself a team effort from the forwards, but more importantlly the core of how effective it is comes from the tight 5. and when u have kitshoff, malharbe, ezebeth and bekker as 4 of the 5, ur scruammging is going to be more than capable of handling all the top scrummaging teams with fourie in the middle.
where u more then break even is the breakdown area which as we all know happens a shit load more time than scrums, so fourie will continue to be a cash cow around the paddock, while the stormers can still feild the likes of kolisi, burger and vermeulen. pretty mean IMO.

 

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