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And here’s the guy you really admired...Mitchell. And all the points you make were about using the backline and not kicking. Face it Wanker you had no clue....if it was up to you it would have been seuntjies running gloriously through fields of green.

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Absolute Balls - what I wrote above is a true reflection of what happened - what Mozart wrote is absolute BS,   Kicking at goal should only be done in extreme cases where the team has got a top class lead, not early in games when the opposition is already leading,  That is point number 1.

The second point is the myth about traditional Bulls rugby - bringing in the stand-in center as a reason for the forward dominance years ago.   To be quite frank  Pollard is not like his  predecessors as flyhalf  a kicking dummy - which was part of the so-called traditional Bulls rugby.

Mitchell brought in facets of play which the Bulls have never used and he also brought logic into a game plan which showed advanced thinking in rugby terms.    The usage of the backline was completely new to the Bulls who had a serious deficiency in the past.  

One thing is clear - Mitchell knows what he wants to achieve with the team -  Fleck is totally clueless.    

Like it or not, the last well coached Bulls side was under Ludeke. Quite remarkable what he achieved after the big names departed. Keep that machine running long after their star quality diminished. People speak of "Bulls rugby". They never know what they are taking about. I find the plastic's use of "game plan(s) quite hilarious. 

Whatever I wrote there is really the case.   What you wrote about Traditional SA Rugby was always  BS as it entails kicking the leather off the ball and playing ten man rugby.  You even claim that the requirements for a flyhalf is 90% kicking of the ball - while admiring the clueless Morne Steyn  as a flyhalf.   

Your comments about seuntjies running gloriously trough field of green,  It is immature  and total baloney,  Nobody said anything more other than predictability s killing the SA game,  Fact is that your admiration for Meyer was entirely based on him being similar to you in many respects - clueless about rugby,   Loosies should not be an extension of the Tight 5 - they should have the skill to read games and serve as part of backline attacking moves in passing the ball, 

One thing is for sure -  Mitchell is being paid a fortune to be on the English coaching staff - Meyer was effectively fired as the Stade Francais  and Fleck's contract was not renewed,  so I was right as per normal.  So try again - this one was plain nonsense,              

AO

Ludeke has the same ability as Meyer -  take a potentially  good team and destroy it,  

So SA Rugby Mag ran a survey as to who was the favourite coach in winning the WC:- 

Rassie Erasmus         -      81.03%

Kitch Christie            -     11,38%     

Jake White                 -       7,59%

I placed them in that order as well when I started a thread on the coaches between 1995 to date, 

I saw a recent article in the media who said Carel du Plessis was 20 years ahead of his time when he was made the coach in 1997,   Pity he was pushed out by the media - but what he knew about rugby was so advanced idiotic people would never have appreciated him because he was leagues ahead of the rugby illiterate coaches who succeeded him/,          

Wanker:

‘The problem si that two styles of rugby developed in the Super 15 set-up.  The one set was made up of the Meyer type of coaches - with the only interest being in using 10 or 11 man rugby and a supposed strong defense scenario (Stormers, Bulls and Sharks (after Plumtree left), the other being the playing of comprehensive rugby‘

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Note the attack on strong defence a constant theme in Wanker hallucinations ....the very thing that won the WC.

‘Supposed defence vs comprehensive rugby’....it’s perfectly clear.....along with the fly halves you were pushing Swiel and Goosen.

I asked you in 2017 what to do about Bok rugby. I show your response below....nothing about defence, nothing about set pieces. No Faf, no Dud Allende, no Vermeulen, no Louw. no Am and the Beast is toast. Instead we have RoB du Preez, Willemse Combrink, Vorster, Schreuder, Coenie, Snickerling, Odendaal and Kriel.

Horrible player selections and your only concern is ‘comprehensive’ rugby.

Face it Wanker you are and have always been clueless. The Boks resurgence was constructed playing exactly the rugby you trashed. If it was up to your strategy all the luck in the world, and we had most of it, wouldn’t have made for a WC win. Here’s your prescription for success:

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Nov 17, 2017, 06:04

Mozart

Unlike you I change my mind depending on PROVEN PERFORMANCE, of players,  At the time I wrote that Vermeulen was playing for Toulon  and more off with injury than playing,   I was dissatisfied with De Allende - even early in 2018 - but when looking at him  since then at last he had a proper coach and this year he was by far the only really top class 12  in SA. I can go though every player mentioned,

You really must have your eyes tested, Beast is mentioned and I did not mention Louw because his performances at that' stage was substandard.   Louw was a dirt tracker anyway and would not necessarily make the grade, 

Anyway - Erasmus was in Ireland and I was not aware of the loophole in his contract that would return should his services be required in SA Rugby.  

At that' stage the coach was the clueless Coetzee and the franchise coaches was not really fup to up to standard .  With Rassie as coach there were massive improvement in the performance of players,  That shows what can be achieved  by a top class coach    

You are right, I don’t change my mind unless there is strong new evidence. For example I have been rock constant on the playing style which works for the Boks. When the chips were down Erasmus went to exactly that style with players who could execute it.....Faf and Pollard....players you constantly slated.

I’m gratifie d this return to our traditions was so powerful that we were able to win despite the Duds.

No you don't change your mind ever about players,  You would find streams of excuses when a player you favour fails or discover reasons to blame failure on other players,   Better still - you even would recommend awards for a player like Mostert who for very clear reasons were dropped from the starting line up for the play-offs in the world cup.  I can name a long list of players where you refuse to recognize excellent performance and you insist  they failed.  

Sure, I am gratified we return to play the real traditional SA rugby played in the early 1980's and not the junk  played ever since for more than 30 years and you called "traditional Springbok rugby",  In that period forward dominance was all that counted and 10 man rugby dominated the scene  while  usage of all 15 players to participate actively in the game vanished from sight,    Just a reminder such rugby was never possible with players like Morne Steyn playing at flyhalf, 

You never recognize when coaches like Meyer damaged SA rugby after years being pointed out to you,  You never realized his selections were garbage - even in the 2015 WC squad there were 8 of the 31 players who were unplayable.   You never accepted that Meyer was destroying SA rugby the same way he did with Stade Francais in the period he was coach there. 

In reality it is clear you should forget prejudice and start looking at rugby objectively.         

Meyer had achieved something Rassie hadn't: Sustained success. Can Rassie keep the Boks at two or higher for multiple years? Can he sweep the Northern hemisphere multiple years? You criticise Meyer, but he had achieved things that are a lot harder for our coaches than stringing two wins together in a fortuitous World Cup run - one where we looked toothless in a defeat to our old enemy. 

I just don't know what more to say, Lügnerin prattles away like a lunatic. The plastics are simply totally overcome with Hyper emotionally and dishonesty, they can never be helped. But Lügnerin is a special case, never being able to move past topics he has been beaten on several dozen times over the past two years (that I've seen).

Simple thing is, Rassie has never in his entire career implemented "comprehensive" rugby. No team has ever been a strong attacking team under Rassie. He had a record of taking teams and regressing their game. In fact, he relies so heavily on Nienaber that I don't know what we can ascribe to him other than motivational speaking. Everything else is the direct result of the defence guru. We've never had a scenario quite like this before: A coach bumming off the work of a willing subordinate. Rassie has no ideas, no real innovation, poor analytics, is far too Conservative and has taken the Boks far behind the rest of the world. We now have tier 2 and 3 teams who can use the ball better. We are just a very predictable basher team. That inspite of the best emergence of new talent since the early 00s. What a goof! 

AO

How many trophies did the Springboks win during he Meter era - sustainable success - my arse LMAO.   The clueless Meyer that destroyed Stade Francais!!!!  

Strong attacking teams score tries because they have sustainable game plans in which Meyer had zero expertise and that is evident if you look at the  stats from the WC campaign In 2015 provided by me above.  And the team use all 15 player to assist in scoring of tries.  In the case of the Mapimpi try Marx was involved and in the case of the Kolbe try Du Toit - the latter was even awarded a try-assist credit by ESPN for that which you played down.  One cannot help you to get over idiocy can one?  

Everyone of your statements above are super dumb - inclusive of your "plastics" statement.   Are you too stupid to listen to rugby experts worldwide by calling them "plastics" because I have never come across any expert who would agree with anything you ever spout on this site.      

Mozart

Are you for real?  Mostert was not dropped from the starting line-up of the Springboks because of any other reasons other  than those provided by me.  The fact that he missed no tackles in the final when \he came off the bench had nothing to do with it.   

Facts do matter - the eight international experts who awarded him the Player of the Year Award for 2019 to Du Toit did consider all real facts involved,  You get into hysteria with imagined nonsense and call that "facts".   What a joke.  LMAO            

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Super dumb? Here's something that's super dumb: 

1. Rassie's 2019 Boks accumulated less than half the carries of Meyer's 2015 Boks. Yet, they supposedly kicked less and attacked more, and more comprehensively.
   
2. The team attacks more comprehensively, yet averages much fewer wing possessions.
3. The team attacks more comprehensively, yet 10 and 15 accumulated two and three times the production of the 2019 Boks. 
4. The team attacks more comprehensively, yet the 2019 Boks accumulated over 1000 fewer metres.
5. The team attacks better, yet they are, for the first time since Peter, ranked bottom of almost every single attacking stat.

AO

And score tries and won games as well  What makes no sense if a team had 5000 passes and 500 carries and did not score sufficient tries and did not in matches then those carries and passes are worthless.   You are like a chicken without a head  on this issue floundering around with nothing of value being produced,   This is the biggest load of rubbish ever seen by one of the people with zero real knowledge about rugby, 

Passing and carrying without a game plan is about the ,most useless thing ever imagined,

Erasmus's Springboks won for the first time since introduction the Super Rugby Trophy and WC last year - while his three predecessors won f#ck all.   That sums it up totally.   

You raise the issue of play style and then run away to the scoreboard. Listen Bubb (I met you halfway and gave you uppercase), you have berated the play style of Meyer ever since I signed up here. You brought it up, not me. You keep bringing Meyer up, not me. I quite frankly couldn't care less about comparing them, aside from correcting lies and errancies, the only comparison that has ever mattered to me is that of Rassie and his peers. He is not a great coach. In fact, at this point, it's impossible to prove that he is even a good coach. You compare seasons out of phase with their context (no pre-2016 team scored tries with the same frequencies as those after that time. A little wiggle room for your lies). Why don't we acknowledge the fact that Rassie's team is bottom of the pile for ball usage. That he got worse from 2018 to 2019. Predictable bashing hinged on three results. Three key wins. I should say two, as the Welsh were so heavily depleted that they had little chance of giving a good account of themselves. You lose these exchanges because you cannot stay focused and cannot frame your argument. You hop around like a goblin on hot coals. 

I was right about Meyer - he was useless as a coach,   Stade Francais did something about it  sooner than we - we had to suffer four years with the BS - they did see through it in 18 months,

I did not brought up the flurry of BS you spout on site, you yourself started it,   Fact is from  the time you joined he site and then became known as the idiot with the dozen user names - incoherent junk covered this site like a moron disease,  

Your first effort was to claim Kirchner was a better full back than Folau - then Mohoje was a better loosie than McCaw - then Morne is a better flyhalf than Carter - then Esterhuizen is a better center than De Allende -  then the Player of  the Year for 2019 is useless and selected by 8 plastic experts,  

In 2015 the Japanese humiliated Meyer's duds - in 2019 the Springboks beat them twice, the first time 41-7 the second time 26-3.   In 2015 the Meyer duds lost against  Argentina 37-25 - in 2019 the Springboks beat them 46-13 and in the second match by a team made up largely by  dirt-tracker   they beat them 24-18.   

Look in the mirror and  clean up the clear note  "Idiot of the Century" from your forehead, Remember to remove the dunce-cap before you try that,  

Your argument is clear - if there was not three key wins there would not have been anything to argue about,   Remember the great IF - if my auntie had balls- she would have been my uncle.   There were more than 3 wins in 2019.   Think for a change - no I must not hope for the impossible - idiots cannot think like human beings,    

Morné better than Carter? I haven't even pegged Morné best in South Africa (always been Butch!). Lets see this post where I said Morné was a better 10 than Carter.

Lets also see the post where I said Kirchner was a better fullback than Folau. 

Next, lets see the post where I said Mohoje was a better player than McCaw. 

You can't help yourself Lügnerin, hence the name. You lie yourself into a corner. For someone so clever, one has to wonder why you keep repeating the same worn out lie that was exposed nearly two years ago! Not so clever me thinks. 

Carter - happened in 2014 and there were plenty of other members who confirmed you wrote that.

Kirchner happened in 2013 and repeated in 2016 - when you lifted the cap on who you really were - the member with the dozen user names.

Mohoje - happened in 2014 and was  confirm ed by other members as well. 

So live with it - you are a bloody idiot without any knowledge of the game. 

Confirmed in 2013 and 2014? I only signed up in 2018 you Schnitzel! Anyway, you have tried this five times and lost those exchanges. You have never proven this to be true. Nobody has. Suck on that dawg! 

So says the man with the dozen user names,   You may have changed Lurker to AO in 2018 - but what  about all he other user names you used before,   You always betrayed yourself by repeating the sane BS you spouted on site - I cannot remember all you previous user names - but I think Sun Tzu were one of those,  Changing user names does not mean it replaces the idiotic individual.        

That would be my combination as well....Etzebeth, Snyman, Mostert at 7.

Eight international experts bwaaaaaaahahaha n ot even 99% of all scientists?

At least they are still picking him at lock.  You forgot the Quince Dave......another of your masssssssive flops.

Mozart

Why don't you do all of us a favour and pick your ow n squad  and let is then discuss the merits and demerits of it without getting personal about it?

Take a bit of advice from me - forget about Mostert,   As a 30 year old he would have had a chance of making it through for a few years more if he was a special player and there was no strong competition for selection.   He is nothing special and was played frorn the bench in the play-offs in the WC.  There are other physically stronger locks who are younger and likely to contribute more to the Tight 5 then him.   .  

 I was tracking quite well until you said: ‘take a bit of advice from me’. That’s when I knew you were kidding.

No Mozart

Post your team please,

I just posted a thread about the 2007 WC Final - have a look there and I am sure you will have  a fit - so please take it calmly and accept the facts as given.    

The fact that Quince played a few games off the bench for Ireland proves he’s not a flop....the fact that  Mostert played 39 tests for the Boks proves nothing.  Yep that makes sense.

Mozart

He was playing most of his tests when the coach was Coetzee and was never a top class player;  Maybe it was because Coetzee was clueless about  a game plan  as well as team selection and coaching and that did not help Mostert at all. .  Many a coach has destroyed players and Coetzee was together with Meyer experts  in that,  Still not really up to standard when compared to other locks in SA,

By the way Mostert was in the request of  Erasmus tried out at 7 by the Lions and failed in that position.  After three weeks he was back playing at lock.  The effort was not repeated and that may tell you a lot.       

Best lineout forward in the country, he made a key lineout steal to finally settle the Welsh semi.....and what’s the first skill for a 5 lock?

Lineout steals – player

1 Guido Pagadizabal (Argentina) – 5

2 Izack Rodda (Australia) – 5  

3 Shannon Frizell (New Zealand) – 4

4 Franco Mostert (South Africa) – 3

5 James Ryan (Ireland) – 3