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Marx out of WC

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Sept 2023, 09:03
#41
15 Sept 2023, 09:03#41

Agreed Saffex. I'd go as far as saying anyone who thinks Doos is anything other than a rugby noob must be pretty clueless about rugby himself.

Typing up enormous amounts of ignorant garbage through the night doesn't make anyone a rugby expert. The more this twit writes the more he exposes his laughably weak knowledge of the game.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Sept 2023, 09:11
#42
15 Sept 2023, 09:11#42

Is it absurd? I logged him being brushed aside at the breakdown in the majority of instances in the RC. I haven't seen a great deal of improvement. He was attribute for things that he never did. 

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Sept 2023, 09:22
#43
15 Sept 2023, 09:22#43

"You are wrong DA, Doos knows fuck all about the game"

No I'm not ...you are

This is where you let your emotions get the better of you Dave

Did I say he was always correct... no

Did I say that what he posts always makes sense ...no

Did I say that I agree with everything he posts .... no

Did i say that his opinion is better than mine or any other poster .... no

But I do respect the fact that he knows quite a lot about the technical side of the game and the laws

Precisely Dave... like you do, as well as Rooinek, and Moz and a few others like Plum and King or Pakie with his expert video analysis ...

Just because I might not agree with what you always say about a player, a game, a law or even a sanction, it doesn't mean I think that you know fuck all about the game...

I do agree however that the continuous negative posts about the Springboks and our players is just boring and nauseating ....


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2023, 09:40
#44
15 Sept 2023, 09:40#44
You miss my point DA everything he says is incorrect so how the fuck does he know the game? Clearly what he is seeing is the polar opposite to everyone else which tells me he knows fuck all How the fuck can you sit there telling the board that the likes of Arendse, Moodie, Am, de Allende, Willemse, Libbok, Faf, Hendrikse, Malherbe, Lood, Kolisi, PSDT, Roos etc etc are not test standard players or that Marx won’t be missed Is that coming from someone who knows the game? Bullshit
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2023, 09:47
#45
15 Sept 2023, 09:47#45
Best of all Rooi is some fools on here fuel his belief that he should be heard Freedom of speech and all that - but come on there is only so much garbage a man can take I try ignore him but I’m so drawn to telling him he is fucking stupid - why I do that is beyond me as it makes zero impression The biggest joke is the imaginary evidence he keeps telling us he furnishes - his standard response is I dealt with the issue some time back. Should be quite easy for him to retrieve if that is the case - but noooooo…..like Marx being brushed aside at the breakdown - dream on dumbass
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Boorad1Club Pro106 posts
15 Sept 2023, 10:08
#46
15 Sept 2023, 10:08#46

Borat you are speaking through your arse

We will disagree Saffex.  I would have Sheehan every day of the week,  he is lighter but he is a superior athlete.  He is very fast and nimble on his feet around the tight and very regularly finds yards in close.   He gives us a lot of go-forward ball.   He is also very strong in the defense and has very good technique.  Unfortunately we will not find out now  



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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2023, 10:11
#47
15 Sept 2023, 10:11#47
I rate him don’t worry but Marx is in a different league Marx is a freak, his power is something else - so much go forward from him and he is the best in the business over the ball French hooker is a class act as well
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Sept 2023, 10:33
#48
15 Sept 2023, 10:33#48

"You miss my point DA everything he says is incorrect so how the fuck does he know the game?"

Exactly my point, which shows me that you are actually missing my point Dave

Not everything that yo u say about the game on this forum is correct Dave.. but it is your own personal opinion ... that you stand by ..... and I respect that... although it may not always be correct... although to you it is.

Take DDA for example .... by your own statement above, "polar opposite to everyone else" .....most people on this forum do not rate DDA anymore....at all.... and they used to.... but not anymore... myself included.... but you then believe that everyone else knows fuck all about DDA ... only you.... again your opinion... but you are doing here exactly what you are accusing Deus of ...albeit to a lessor scale.

So it does not mean that if someone has a different opinion to you, on a player or a team, or even the interpretation of a phase of play.....that they know fuck all about the game.

"How the fuck can you sit there telling the board that the likes of Arendse, Moodie, Am, de Allende, Willemse, Libbok, Faf, Hendrikse, Malherbe, Lood, Kolisi, PSDT, Roos etc etc are not test standard players or that Marx won’t be missed

Is that coming from someone who knows the game? Bullshit"

I 100% agree with you here.... but as I said earlier, he clearly knows a lot about the game itself....and like I said, the ongoing negative player analysis ad nauseum is not even worth reading

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2023, 11:13
#49
15 Sept 2023, 11:13#49
DA I might have one or two points that differ not 99% of them like Doos does Huge difference He knows fuck all about rugby. The fact that he tells you he is analysing the game does not mean he knows what he is doing His content is a load of shit. Volume does not equate to knowledge. Accuracy does He is like Mostert - all energy and zero productivity
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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Sept 2023, 11:35
#50
15 Sept 2023, 11:35#50
So no new news on who they will call up to replace Marx?
DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
15 Sept 2023, 12:26
#51
15 Sept 2023, 12:26#51

"So no new news on who they will call up to replace Marx?"

Very possible it's Pollard, but not guaranteed

Nienaber said that he will be keeping an eye on how Pollard plays his first game back when he plays for Leicester against Sale Sharks later today...

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Sept 2023, 12:32
#52
15 Sept 2023, 12:32#52
Ok Thanks DA….So that means they will stick with Bongi as the only specialist hooker and Oom Fourie + Flanker van Staden, will be back up….this might just be a crucial mistake, as we thrive of scrum/ Forward dominance.
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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
15 Sept 2023, 15:24
#53
15 Sept 2023, 15:24#53
Dwebba is the only candidate for a hooker replacement, given he has experience with the BoksBringing in a new player will be difficult, so Deon Fourie will probably be the backup hooker- assuming Pollard gets the call-up . 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Sept 2023, 15:35
#54
15 Sept 2023, 15:35#54

Like going negative on Mostert ad nauseum? We have no rugby press that criticizes anything or provides any useful analysis. I haven’t read one article on the age of the Bok team for example, which is a huge issue. You can read those canary in the coal mine views on Ruckers, because posters like Deus don’t conform to the conventional beliefs.

Intolerance is never good….independent thought is

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Sept 2023, 15:48
#55
15 Sept 2023, 15:48#55
Journos are petrified of slating players these days. Thanks to social media. Basically, all players are awesome, everything is amazing and we live in a perfect rugby world.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Sept 2023, 16:06
#56
15 Sept 2023, 16:06#56

Deus knows a lots a facts about rugby but the problem lies in understanding those facts. Hence due to lack of understanding he comes to weird conclusions.

Now ou Rooitwit know little about rugby and understands even less. To him Luke Watson was better than Schall Burger who went on to win World Rugby Player of the year. Hahahahaha.

 But let's not forget Mozzzz who trash WORLD RUGBY PLAYER OF THE YEAR Du Toit.

Deus has his faults rugby wise but comes out around the tops in politics.

Rooitwit knowledge and understanding of politics is abysmal.

So Rooitwit you have little to shout about. Bwahahahahaha. 

Yes the Marx loss is a terrible blow.

Deon Fourie will make a very pacy hooker. Who can do some good fetching. How he will shape if he has to play 80 minutes I don't know. I suspect he is pretty fit and raring to go.

Best start him against Romania. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Sept 2023, 18:27
#57
15 Sept 2023, 18:27#57
Doos knows fuck all about rugby - nothing he ever says has relevance or is by any stretch accurate - especially his take on players - it’s the worst player read I’ve ever come across, distantly followed by Moz :)
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Sept 2023, 19:47
#58
15 Sept 2023, 19:47#58

I hope Deon can still find his jumpers.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 09:48
#59
16 Sept 2023, 09:48#59

So, Marx is a key Bok at the breakdown, despite being cleared out of rucks at least 80% of the time? What other contributions?

PTSD has been rated as the 17th best flank in 2019, and the 30th best carrier of 30 by volume in Super rugby that year. His production has never been any better. He has the most missed tackles of all Boks over the past fifteen years at least. Is cleanly beaten a good 40% of all engagements which aren't accounted for in stats. Yet I'm just being negative.

Pollard hasn't outplayed an opposition 10 since Scotland 2018. But that's no problem. 

Our defence over the past two seasons is at 77%, worst of all tier 1 nations and some tier 2. However, I'm just being negative.

Our lineout has ranked bottom the past three years. But I'm just being negative. 

Our scrum has consistently ranked near the bottom. However, I'm just being negative. 

No, the guppies like Saddex, Beanbag et al don't understand the technical side of the game and don't have the analytical skills to discern anything of note. As evidenced by them lying and also failing to see Willie play 10 for 80 mins against NZ when lambasting Willemse and praising the shambolic Libbok. 

I'm wasting my time on clowns who cannot be educated. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Sept 2023, 11:20
#60
16 Sept 2023, 11:20#60

sadly if poor Deus's comments were even remotely true we would not be anywhere near number 2 in the ranking going into this RWC.

Deus is now doubling down on stupid rather than learning from his mistakes. I wish him a spee dy recovery!

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Sept 2023, 12:36
#61
16 Sept 2023, 12:36#61

According to Rugby 365 "... the Bok camp revealed that Etzebeth is now just four to five days away from completing his recovery plan."

So some good news for Bok fans. Here's hoping injuries won't be a big factor for all teams. ABs still have some to deal with.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 12:51
#62
16 Sept 2023, 12:51#62

Tonga is potentially a banana peel, and we could pick up damaging injures. It's a rough one to plan for. You wouldn't necessarily want a pure B team there. 

SH
sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Sept 2023, 14:44
#63
16 Sept 2023, 14:44#63
Deus Ex Lemur

Bok regular

1765 posts

Sep 16, 2023, 09:48

-Our defense over the past two seasons is at 77%, the worst of all Tier 1 nations and some Tier 2. 

Our lineout has ranked bottom for the past three years. 

Our scrum has consistently ranked near the bottom. 

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The Boks are ranked number 2 in the world, and the defending WC champions. 
Yet somehow this clown is trying to convince us that a team ranked 2nd in the world has:

  1. worst defense,
  2. worst lineout,
  3. worst scrum
  4. worst attack
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The 2nd ranked team in the world.....

No one can be this stupid, it is Mary Contrary just giving the opposite to everyone else to appear he is not stupid.
Its easy to imagine DoosXL on other sports websites like American Football he has never even played, telling everyone the opposite of common sense as if it is words of wisdom


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
16 Sept 2023, 14:49
#64
16 Sept 2023, 14:49#64


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Sept 2023, 15:08
#65
16 Sept 2023, 15:08#65

"No one can be this stupid . . ."

No, he really is. 

I'm sure there were posters who thought I exaggerated when I said that Doos has the least rugby knowledge of anyone on this board . . . which is quite an achievement if you think of ou Maaik and Baboon-ou . . . but I wasn't.

To think there are posters like DumbAss and ButtPlug who think Doos is some kind of rugby guru!

LMAO!

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 20:10
#66
16 Sept 2023, 20:10#66

Well Dairy Bells, you are quite welcome to take anything I've ever said, and we can go frame by frame through any test. The floor is yours. Any time. Ende. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Sept 2023, 20:35
#67
16 Sept 2023, 20:35#67
Okay then chump, how about this . . .
"The Bok defence doesn't create opportunities, sadly."
Most people who have even a rudimentary knowledge of tugby would know that it's the job of the defenders to snuff out opportunities . . . yet you bemoan the fact that the Boks do it well.
Take us through that one frame by frame dumbo. Tell us why (or how) defenders should rather be creating opportunities.
LMAO!
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Sept 2023, 20:43
#68
16 Sept 2023, 20:43#68

Ummmmm . . . the floor is all yours, Doos.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
16 Sept 2023, 20:59
#69
16 Sept 2023, 20:59#69
Uh-oh . . . looks like the loud-mouthed rugby noob has vanished.
Maybe he's putting the frames together that show how defenders should be creating opportunities? I hope so. Can't wait to see this new phenomenon frame by frame. Could be a game changer.
LMAO!
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 21:20
#70
16 Sept 2023, 21:20#70

The Boks rank bottom for tackle stats. Ranking 4th in the RC with 83%, and 77% of the past three years. How then is the defence a dominant feature of our game? Again, where are is this dominant defence to be found? I have pointed out numerous times to this weakness. Marx is a breakdown beast? I already exposed that myth. PTSD is a great contributor? I already exposed that. You have nothing Mrs Searle. You never have, and the carp who follow you like Guppy and Beanbag never will. You can reference nothing. I've never seen you contribute any rugby content. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,220 posts
16 Sept 2023, 21:25
#71
16 Sept 2023, 21:25#71
To determine how good a team's defense and attack are, you take the average of other teams in the same tournament. (Points for, and points against).

If a team ranks number 2 in a tournament, it is obvious that on average, their defense and attack are better than most teams. 

Basic tackle stats give context, but it is a limited dataset with unreliable data. 

If 2 teams play each other, and one scores 5 tries and the other scores one - then obviously the first team has a better attack and defense. 



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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 21:39
#72
16 Sept 2023, 21:39#72

The Boks miss a lot of tackles each game. They are not a dominant defensive team. The official stats for the Scotland test is that the Scots put in a third more dominant tackles than the Boks. This is evident in the porous defending of the Boks. Guppy, you are a relativist trying to weedle your way to "proving" something in a very indirect way without any tangible data or evidence. You've actually embarrassed yourself significantly this far this season. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 21:39
#73
16 Sept 2023, 21:39#73


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Sept 2023, 21:59
#74
16 Sept 2023, 21:59#74
Doos keeps quoting stats and percentages - I want to know where this lying twat gets these stats from, what is his source? No doubt it’s his own - it would not surprise me I tell you what Doos please be man enough to provide the frame by frame analysis that Rooi has requested from you I can’t fucking wait for this one - defence into attacking opportunities bwaahaaaaa While you are at it could you please provide us with a frame by frame analysis on the art of making a milktart - I bet that is where your strength lies for it sure as fuck is not rugby
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
16 Sept 2023, 22:36
#75
16 Sept 2023, 22:36#75

First and foremost I consult film and bring all in line with that. None of the carp can stand up to vid scrutiny. You all for references and they consistently and predictably provide nothing. We all know that Saddex listens to whatever journalist or pundit agrees with him. Bitter old Dairy Bells on the other hand simply looks for an opportunity to sling mud.  As can be seen in these recent threads, they collectively amount to nothing but hot air.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Sept 2023, 22:47
#76
16 Sept 2023, 22:47#76
Ah so Doos admits that all those stats, figures, percentages etc are all his own. Makes more sense than ever Doos your stats carry about as much merit as my morning dump As for me - I use pundits to back my takes up you idiot not to formulate them Do you know the difference Now give us your take on milktarts
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
17 Sept 2023, 06:52
#77
17 Sept 2023, 06:52#77

Doos, you're dodging the question in a rather cowardly manner. How or why are defenders supposed to "create opportunities"? You said you'd back it up with "frames" but so far all you've done is duck, deflect and obfuscate.

Come on big-mouth, you're always proclaiming yourself to be an expert and telling the rest of us how stupid we are, here's your big opportunity to prove that you actually know anything about rugby.

So how or why are defenders supposed to "create opportunities"?

The floor is still yours.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Sept 2023, 11:37
#78
17 Sept 2023, 11:37#78
Yes Doos where are those frames? Defence into attacking opportunities - bwhaaahaaaaa Come on Doos
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
17 Sept 2023, 11:57
#79
17 Sept 2023, 11:57#79

Doos, you're dodging the question in a rather cowardly manner. How or why are defenders supposed to "create opportunities"? You said you'd back it up with "frames" but so far all you've done is duck, deflect and obfuscate.

Come on big-mouth, you're always proclaiming yourself to be an expert and telling the rest of us how stupid we are, here's your big opportunity to prove that you actually know anything about rugby.

I cited evidence that the defence is not top tier, you denied this to be true. The onus is on you to provide evidence of the Boks being a threat on defence, creating opportunities through pressure. You said this was a fact, and I challenged you to provide such evidence by referencing anything at all. I challenged you on any game and any frame of said games. How then can I provide references for things I don't believe existed in the first place. How can a team who ranked bottom of the RC on defence - by a comfortable margin - be a top tier defence? How can a team who has 77% tackle efficiency for the past three seasons be a top tier defensive team? They have the leakiest defence in tier 1 rugby. You say that is incorrect, well, provide something resembling evidence to the contrary. You can start with any game from PTSD, Damian, Kolisi, Lood, Arendse, Libbok et al. The floor is yours... of course, we all know that you will never provide anything. You don't make rugby contributions. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
17 Sept 2023, 12:37
#80
17 Sept 2023, 12:37#80
It’s a while ago I know, but Marx,s tackle in the 2019 Final that dislodge the ball, PSDT picks up the ball start making Forward metres and then Kolbe got the Ball and the rest is history Try time ! P.S. Dirty Boy was left in the Dust like a MF : )
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