CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 May 2016, 19:49#1
It is very interesting to evaluate the statistics in respect of the match yesterday and see what really happened in the wider match context.
Possession
Stormers 63%Bulls 37%
Territory
Stormers 68%Bulls 32%
There are wild statements being made about how substandard the Stormers forwards were - while in fact those statements are contradicted by the stats.
If one goes further and look at what the Stormers did with the ball possession one has to look at what happened in the case of the scrummie - Groom. He passed the ball 85 times - of those passes only 23 went to the flyhalf - the rest went to forwards.
So the logical conclusion is that the forwards themselves buggered up the ball possession they worked so hard to get. In this case one has to look at what the player who got most of the balls did with that possession - Burger,
Balls passed - 16Balls carried - 13Meters gained - 13Defenders beaten - 1Off-loads - 2Ball losses - 2Tackles made - 5Tackles missed - 1
The above indicates that the poor usage of possession was the deciding factor in respect of the loss of the game by the Stormers.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 May 2016, 20:12#3
Mozart
Why did you try and bugger up the thread here? Was it because you did not want to hear the truth about the situation as statistically proven?
The stats you used relates to a minority of incidents on the field of play and does not materially affect the issue of overall ball and territory possession - since it's outcomes is incorporated in the possession and territory stats.
However, the story that the forwards buggered up the game by trying to take over the functions of the backline players with the same disastrous results that has marred SA rugby for years now has been illustrated clearly in that match.
To argue against that fact is futile and an acceptance of mediocrity in rugby.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
22 May 2016, 20:22#4
The stats are the full deck of cards for set pieces. Your theory is aberrant. The Bools were better at lineouts, scrums and on the deck where Schalk fought a lone battle against 3 Bools.
The scrums and lineouts killed the Stormers platform as Fleck attests:
' Fleck admitted that the Bulls’ dominance at the line-outs and scrums played a big role in his side’s defeat.'
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 May 2016, 07:58#5
So territory and possession domination is aberrant because it goes against your theory about how the game should be played. Passing of the ball to backline players is according to you a deadly sin.
I was surprised myself about the possession and territory statistics until I look at the rest of the stats and it makes entire sense - compared to other famous games won by opposing teams despite the domination iro ball possession and territory. The games were all lost because of the game plan so strongly supported by you of passing balls not to the backline - but eliminating the backline by passing balls to forwards. Like in the Japan game of last year the same player (Burger) was no good in his position as stand-in flyhalf.
A Bigger role in the defeat was played by a stupid game plan - which Fleck would not admit to.