This is like the 2011 Bryce Lawrence match...witout the bad ref...how did we lose this?
Captain26,388 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:06
#121
20 Apr 2019, 17:06#121
Mighty Stormers versus hapless Brumbies
Started by Beeno1150 REPLIES858 VIEWS· 20 Apr 2019, 14:57
Captain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:07
#122
20 Apr 2019, 17:07#122
Imagine if the Stormers lose by 2 after turning down at least 8 kickable penalties in the Brommies 22.
Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:09
#123
20 Apr 2019, 17:09#123
Never seen a game thrown away like thi s. Well done Brumbies on defence.
Captain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:10
#124
20 Apr 2019, 17:10#124
Toothless Stormers, well done Brommies.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:10
#125
20 Apr 2019, 17:10#125
Du Toit 15 runs....14 metres....1 defender beaten. There's your problem. Does this guy ever win an opposition lineout.
Vastly overrated.
Captain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:11
#126
20 Apr 2019, 17:11#126
Maybe next time we take the easy points, ne?
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:13
#127
20 Apr 2019, 17:13#127
Not a Sharks like rout......but worse in aome ways given all the possession. How bad was Kolisi!
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:14
#128
20 Apr 2019, 17:14#128
Agreed Pakie, if you are playing a team that is defending all the time and leaking penalties....ring the cash register.
Captain26,388 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:16
#129
20 Apr 2019, 17:16#129
Congrats Brumbies...hard luck Stormers, too complacent for no reason
Captain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:16
#130
20 Apr 2019, 17:16#130
Too many wings spoil the broth, as they say.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:20
#131
20 Apr 2019, 17:20#131
C'mon Pakie we only had 4 wings. But we did have 3 left wings.
Pro1,526 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:20
#132
20 Apr 2019, 17:20#132
Just imagine if Pocock played today.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:23
#133
20 Apr 2019, 17:23#133
My thought exactly......we couldn't protect the ball on the deck with 2/3s of the Bok loose forward combo. Pocock would have had a field day.
sharkbok
Captain23,251 posts
Captain23,251 posts
20 Apr 2019, 17:39
#134
20 Apr 2019, 17:39#134
Just like the Sharks team, the Stormers prove SA teams are hopeless when things get competitive at the ruck.
We have so few players that are effective at the ruck. Too many ball carriers destroy the broth.
Without quick ball - our backs don't have the passing or offloading game to get, so we need lots of space or counter-attack opportunities to get the outside backs into the game
Stephanie enjoys playing on the wing, more and more.
Rassie needs to sound the alarms, and pick a back row that can compete on the deck. Kolisi is a charity case, that just plays his own game.
We have so few players that are effective at the ruck. Too many ball carriers destroy the broth.
Without quick ball - our backs don't have the passing or offloading game to get, so we need lots of space or counter-attack opportunities to get the outside backs into the game
Stephanie enjoys playing on the wing, more and more.
Rassie needs to sound the alarms, and pick a back row that can compete on the deck. Kolisi is a charity case, that just plays his own game.
Captain26,388 posts
20 Apr 2019, 18:35
#135
20 Apr 2019, 18:35#135
Horse manure Shark, We dif not convert our opportunities... Stotmrrs was the best team, but we lost...yhe Sharks werd outplayed in almost all facets and lost too...no comparison ..Stormers competed well on the deck...their possession is testament to that...our backs are worthless/toothless. Stander fell flat at 10. I'm sure Kleintjie Carel would have done more with all that ball...or Willemse....
Captain26,388 posts
20 Apr 2019, 18:51
#136
20 Apr 2019, 18:51#136
Captain17,321 posts
20 Apr 2019, 19:19
#137
20 Apr 2019, 19:19#137
Sharks also dominated possession and territory Draad, 58% / 60%. Completely dominated the second half with 66% / 70%.
Coach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2019, 19:27
#138
20 Apr 2019, 19:27#138
I think the stormers need recomnsider their team and if I was Fleck I would call up Jordan Twait from the Maties to play at flyhalf. Stander is as bad as Robert du Preez is at flyhalf..
The story of not been competitive at rucks is dreamed up BS> No team will have 69% possession without being competitive at rucks.
The problem has nothing to do with the forwards - everything to do with toothless backline players. De Allende was sorely missed.
As to the forwards the more I see of Wiese the more I him he is a very good lock.
I have a problem with Wilco Louw at prop - to my mind not fit and not up to standard.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 19:44
#139
20 Apr 2019, 19:44#139
The Tokkie prescription......play a seuntjie at flyhalf, bring back Duh Allende and leave Stephanie on the left wing.
The forwards ran the ball 95 times to 77 for the backs. And the forwards gained a total of 175 metres to 302 for the backs.
And almost all the dead beat running inside the 22 was done by forwards.
But it's all the backs' fault.....the backs that outgained the whole Brumbies team 302 metres to 157. And truth to tell all of Kolisi's metres came playing in the backs and at least half of Stephanie's paltry17 metres came on the left wing!!
So the real totals are backs 340 metres/forwards 119 metres. The comedy routine in full flow.
Coach57,555 posts
20 Apr 2019, 20:23
#140
20 Apr 2019, 20:23#140
Mozart
If you want to discuss rugby - please keep to facts - BS spread by you on site does not help at all. You started off with BS about the team not be competitive at breakdowns and that was proven to be BS. And Leave out Du Toit out of discussion because you are making a fool of yourself,
Just one point there was no penetration by the backline players - just tackled and often enouh tackled back. There were outside of flyhalf only 4 line breaks by backline players with 69% ball possession. What does it show - it shows the backline was ineffective,
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 20:49
#141
20 Apr 2019, 20:49#141
Correction 13 defenders beaten by backs......7 by the forwards in 18 more runs. And if you want to focus on the outside backs only, 6 defenders beaten in 66 runs......vs forwards 7 defenders beaten in 95 runs for the forwards.
Get real and stop bullshitting. The match was lost by toothless running by the forwards close to the line....and most toothless was favourite seuntjie Stephanie who ran 15 times for 14 metres and one defender beaten.
Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2019, 21:13
#142
20 Apr 2019, 21:13#142
The backs were the big problem. They had zero creativity. Stormers had huge territory and possession but couldn't score apart from the two forward tries.
Backs had tons of possession but couldn't do anything with it.
It is VERY obvious where the biggest problem lay - an ineffective backline.
I do hope CC and Draad can see how useless Wilco is! Always pay close attention to Beeno
Steph had a great game. Huge effort. MOM stuff.
sharkbok
Captain23,251 posts
Captain23,251 posts
20 Apr 2019, 21:14
#143
20 Apr 2019, 21:14#143
Stephanie was a one-dimensional ball carrier that never made it over the advantage line. He was to go to ball carrier, but the opposition had him covered.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 21:39
#144
20 Apr 2019, 21:39#144
Here are the stats that tell the story.....not one starting forward managed an offload. And in all their 95 possessions, the forwards managed only 27 passes and 1 offload by Kolisi....they just lumbered into the opposition hoping something good would happen.
By contrast in their 40 runs the Brumbie forwards managed 21 passes and 5 offloads....passing and offloading at more than twice the rate of the Stormers pack, despite their poorer possession.
But what can you do when favourite seuntjie can't produce one pass or one offload in 15 possessions. The fact that you think that was a MOM performance Hasbeen, tells us just how much the hype has taken hold.
Captain40,032 posts
20 Apr 2019, 22:20
#145
20 Apr 2019, 22:20#145
Doubtless the offload of the forwards could improve but their job is to give good go forward ball to the backs which they did and by winning the forward battle hands down they camped in the Brumbies 22.
The big problem was the backs could only offer individualism. Eg the Jantjes breaks. They had no idea how to breakdown a defence.
Captain49,914 posts
20 Apr 2019, 22:49
#146
20 Apr 2019, 22:49#146
But that's the point HasBeen, the ball was hardly ever passed to the backs close to the line. The times the backs got close to the line with the ball, they had engineered that themselves......like the Lleyds/Nel near try and the Jantjies penalty try. Or by accident.
For the rest the forwards, especially Stephanie hogged the ball and just pounded into a brick wall.
There are no guarantees the backs would have been any better, but we will never know because they never had the chance. What we do know is the forwards played 1950s ball in hand rugby.
Coach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2019, 02:13
#147
21 Apr 2019, 02:13#147
Mozart
So the blame for the loss is due to Du Toit - who played on the wing and hogged the ball at the same time. That is the stuff B S are made from. Try again. LOL - LMAO
Captain49,914 posts
21 Apr 2019, 05:21
#148
21 Apr 2019, 05:21#148
Fifteen times he got the ball mostly near the tryline.....15 times he died with the ball. Yup the fact that he could do nothing had a lot to do with those futile attacks on the opposition line. The rest of the time he was getting in the way on the left wing
He wasn't alone but he ran more any other forward, 15 runs for 14 metres. And he ran less effectively. The truth is Stephanie is neither fast, nor strong, nor elusive.....nor does he have any sense of the offload....he is a bog ordinary ball carrier.
The commentators were on about how he was our most frequent ball carrier....when that carrier is toothless, that's bad news.
Coach57,555 posts
21 Apr 2019, 06:10
#149
21 Apr 2019, 06:10#149
So Du Toit hogged the ball playing om the wing _ you made those stupid comments and now you have shied away from it, You really are farcical. LMAO.
Captain26,388 posts
22 Apr 2019, 04:08
#150
22 Apr 2019, 04:08#150
Mike, stop taking the bait!
Captain40,032 posts
22 Apr 2019, 11:13
#151
22 Apr 2019, 11:13#151
The backs got plenty of ball near the Brums try line.
The forwards also but they at least scored two tries.
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