Mike, Rooi, Beens and Saffex!

Care to give us your most experimental Bok teams? If someone said you had to pick a "No fear" team that was as attacking as possible. Giving more credence to talent than experience and thinking more about a team that could all play together for at least five years...rather than winning today. You'll note I never included Moz in this exercise, for obvious reasons ;)

15 Cheslin Kolbe
14 Jamba Ulengo
13 Harold Vorster
12 Damian de Allende
11 Seabelo Senatla
10 Handre Pollard
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Dan du Preez
7. JL du Preez
6. Jaco Kriel
5. PS du Toit
4. Lourens Erasmus
3. Thomas du Toit
2. Malcolm Marx
1. Oli Kebble

Nice team Rooi. I've noticed you're a fan of Kolbe. Oli Kibble is also better than many like to admit. That is a pretty hectic back line. Would you have Jessie Kriel and Combrink on the bench? Actually, who'd be on the bench?

Bench . . .

16 Franco Marais
17 Thomas du Toit (sorry, being dof . . . starting tighthead should be Vincent Koch)
18 Frans Malherbe
19 Hanro Liebenberg (Pieter Steph covers lock)
20 Marcell Coetzee
21 Cobus Reinach
22 Pat Lambie
23 Not sure . . . out of Ruan Combrinck, Lionel Mapoe, Jesse Kriel or Paul Jordaan

15. Willie 14. v/Wyk 13. Kriel 12. de Allende 11. Senatla 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard 1. Kitshoff 2. Bismark 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kriel 7. Coetzee 8. Arno Botha would be my usual side.
Experimental would be:
15. Kriel 14. Ulengo 13. Vorster 12. Serfontein 11. Kolbe 10. Jantjies 9. Faf 1. du Toit 2. Marx 3. Marcel 4. Willemse 5 . PSDT 6. Kolisi 7. Jacques du Plessis 8. Mtembu 

 My choice will be as follows:-
15  Le Roux, 14  Senatla, 13  Vorster, 12  De Allende, 11  Combrinck, 10  Pollard, 9  De Klerk,  8  Du Preez, 7  Labuschagne, 6  Kriel, 5  De Jager, 4  Etzebeth, 3  Malherbe, 2  Marx, 1  Kitshoff
16  Ntubeni, 17  Nyakane, 18  Koch, 19  Du Toit, 20  Coetzee, 21  Reinach, 22  Lambie, 23  Kriel
I picked players on the basis of performance - not reputation. and prejudice.   It is very early in the season to come up with selections.   There are going to be changes as the season goes on.  
I also did not pick the over-30's since in most cases the players are reputation players without proven performance records.  In my basis performance is a requirement and if that is accompanied by experience, it is a big plus.
Since Pollard may be out for the season I would go for Lambie and Goosen in the June tests.          

 Aaaaaah geee ... does that mean I can't have a go???

 Some folk think that you don't know sh!t from sugar .

 Haaaaahahahahaha!!!
I guess your right.
Well ... I see I'm not wanted so I'll shut my mouth and go sulk in the corner.

 Haha CC of course bro. Let's have it then

Thanks guys. the reason i asked was cos i'd like to know who to keep an eye on this season so i can slate the crap out of you when they play badly haha. Kidding.

Of them all, my personal preference would be Mike's team. Though my team would be a tad different. Obviously since i'm a Lions fan again this year.

Mine would be...

15. Le Roux
14. Ulengo
13. JP(Ja i know some really dislike him, but he's young and has never let us down)
12. Combrink
11. De Allende
10. Jantjies(Based on S15 last year)
9. Faf
8. Duane
7. JL 
6. Kriel
5. De Jager
4. Eben
3. Redlinghuys
2. Akker
1. Kitshoff


It's a pity Kolisi never had a good season last year. I rate him, and Nizam. Note, starting De Allende is transformation positive.  Only because he is Portuguese so he counts as two coloureds. 

15 Jaco Kriel

14 Kobus Van Wyk
13 Harold Vorster
12 Damian de Allende
11 Seabelo Senatla
10 Handre Pollard
9. Faf de Klerk
8. Dan du Preez
7. M Coetzee
6. Jaco Kriel
5. Lood De Jager
4. Eben Etzebeth
3. F Malherbe
2. Malcolm Marx
1. Steven Kitshoff

Beens, i know Jaco Kriel is good. But honestly man, he can't play Flank and FullBack!

Ja Ja i know you meant Jessie. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Also, you've left Duane out. Geez you Stormers fans . Man leaves the squad and he is dead to you. The dark side man. The dark side!

 Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaaa!!
This boards got me in hysterics today.
Thanks Beandip. At least it's on par with having both Danie and Roussouw in your team.
 

 Sorry Plumpie its Jesse Kriel.
How ou rooitwit can leave out Etzebeth beggars belief. I think Eben scares the wits out of poor rooitwit 

JP is nearly 30......that is not young Plum  

If I had to pick a completely uncapped team, it would be this: 

15. Kolbe/Gelant
14. Ulengo
13. Vorster12. Esterhuizen
11. Senatla
10.Du Preez
9.  De Klerk
8.  Du Preez7.  Du Preez
6.  Kriel
5.  Mostert
4. Jenkins3. koch (I know he's been capped, but deserves another go)2. Marx
1. Kitshoff

Purely to see how these guys cope in a test

 Not an Eben fan Deddy?

 I've picked an uncapped team, Draad. (Koch aside)If I included current players, Eben, Lood, De Allende, Jesse Kriel would all be involved

I'm a massive fan of Eben, really think he could be our best ever of he fulfils his potential 

 Ok, I've missed the obvious. 

 Nice side APD 

Haha Saffex. I thought he was about 28. Guess it's true that black don't crack. Made another blunder too. Posted one of the Du Preezs as lock on another thread. Seems nobody noticed that one. Anyway, one thing is very clear when one looks at these teams. We have a ton of talent and Meyer was tool for doing so poorly with so many brilliant players at his disposal. Bloody disgrace really.

Also, I see that Rosco never made it into anyone's team. Watched him for the Pumas a few times last year and he seemed promising. He's done well for the Blitzes too.

 Not one of the teams selected here & on 2. A team of Vetsak's "bests" 
reflect the racial transformation obligations that the selectors will face.
If we have to have 50% black representation by 2018, then surely
we'll be 'advised' to select a minimum of five poc. players & two for
the bench for this year's international season ....... that's approx. 30%.

So maybe all the armchair selectors will need to reconstruct their teams ?

 blobbok
I thought about the issue and then decided to post the merit team I would like to see - not the SARU politico's one.  

 Alraait, appreciate your honesty, maar boet, its reality check time .

 There are a few players that can be included - but they will not strengthen the team - they may in fact weaken the team.   However, there need to be a balance.  If players are in fact on par - preference should be given to the player of colour.  When there is no such parity - the best player should be selected.    

 "If players are in fact on par - preference should be given to the player of colour."

Racial discrimination is fine then.

 Look doos - racial discrimination is never acceptable on my part - but I clearly states the be st player must be selected.  You really are the dimmest of the dim - now piss off dim c u n t.

 Touchy? 
ebst? 

Well if two players are totally on par, then from a transformation point of view it makes sense to pick the non-white. That is discrimination but our constitutional right to not being discriminated against is limited by the word "unfairly". Haha fair discrimination. Oxymoron ;)