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Mitchell highlights flaws in SA rugby

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
10 Jan 2016, 22:29
#1
10 Jan 2016, 22:29#1
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Cape Town - John Mitchell, who is set to leave South Africa to coach the USA's national rugby team, has highlighted flaws in the current South African game.

READ: Why Stormers snubbed Mitchell

READ: Politics in SA rugby made Mitchell leave

New Zealand-born Mitchell was earlier this week named head coach of the USA Eagles for the next four years.


Mitchell, a former All Blacks, Western Force and Golden Lions coach, was recently linked with the Stormers head coaching role, 

but the Cape franchise eventually opted against hiring 

him.

The Stormers had initially appointed Eddie Jones

 as their head coach, but were then forced to look 

for a new mentor when Jones left for the England 

head coaching job.

The Stormers eventually appointed former 

backline coach Robbie Fleck as interim coach.

With Mitchell now lost for South African rugby, 

he left a powerful message for those in charge.

“It is challenging times here (in SA). 

They are a global model as well, they are 

professional in title, but I’m not so sure whether 

they are that (way) in preparation and delivery,” 

Mitchell told New Zealand'sRadio Sport.

“And somebody needs to show leadership about 

changing the attacking mindset to create a 

higher probability of scoring. I see that as the 

leadership that’s necessary.

“For us as New Zealanders and as coaches, it’s a very 

easy thing to coach, but here it is far more challenging.”

According to Mitchell, his former team is getting it

 right under the guidance of Johan Ackermann as 

head coach.

“The Lions have shown that approach over the 

last six years and it’s starting to show the

 benefits of changing that mindset.

“So there is an example in front of their faces, 

but not too many of the other franchises know 

how to go about it at the moment which is worrying.”

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
10 Jan 2016, 22:32
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10 Jan 2016, 22:32#2
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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
10 Jan 2016, 22:39
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10 Jan 2016, 22:39#3
It seemed our SuperXV teams improved in backline attacking around 2007-2009, but since then have digressed backwards. 
The fans are sick of seeing boring rugby- and one dimension up and under's. The opposition probably doesn't even have to prepare for our teams because they know we are going to kick aimlessly. 
What happened to the Sharks of old, or even WP of old.  Gary Fool Gold and Robbie Fleck have absolutely no understanding of backline play. The Sharks defence even fell apart last season- so it is debatable if Gold knows rugby at all.
Sure we want to play our brand of rugby- but surely this is more than just poor kicks, with the occasionally rolling maul try. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2016, 01:12
#4
11 Jan 2016, 01:12#4
 Just a pity that Mitchell with all this wisdom....was a flop in South Africa.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jan 2016, 01:30
#5
11 Jan 2016, 01:30#5
 A flop in SA?  When you write any rugby connected person is a flop one has to wonder whether he indeed was one.  All the players and  coaches you identified as good has in the main being flops - while those you identified as flops have been the opposite,  Whenever you made such a statement one has to really accept the opposite of what you write,    
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
11 Jan 2016, 02:56
#6
11 Jan 2016, 02:56#6
Mitchell inherited the worst South African squad that was losing every game. They started winning some SR games- and then won the Curry Cup.
He also had a crap squad at the Western Force- and got some decent results. 
I expect he is better than any coach in South Africa. Meyer is the best of a bad bunch in South Africa. 
It would be good to see how he could have done with the Stormers or Sharks. He would be able to utilize the likes of Willie Leroux to score tries.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2016, 05:51
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11 Jan 2016, 05:51#7
 You don't beat NZ by adopting the views of a guy who can't even crack one of the NZ S15 teams. We were 2 points away from beating them...and one poor stretch of 10 minutes when we were a man up and never scored a point.

White and HM know everything about rugby this guy does and have much better CVs. It's about the players and we are going through a lean patch. We have to get through this and find a new team of players who can effectively compete. The best coach to find those players is a South African coach.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jan 2016, 06:41
#8
11 Jan 2016, 06:41#8
What a  load of unadulterated BS we have here.   Still thinking that rugby is a game where scoring of tries is not necessary and that penalties is what is required to win matches?  That exactly is why ultimately SA teams fail and that is on Super 15 level and test level.  
One has to accept that this is where the whole SA system falls flat and we can thank outdated thinking  by idiots on the issue for that. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jan 2016, 06:51
#9
11 Jan 2016, 06:51#9
Say Pervert, what other test did you have in mind where Matfield never called Etzebeth....I see you slimed away from that one with your tail between your legs. But here you are again launching another attack...often wrong always persistent.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
11 Jan 2016, 13:38
#10
11 Jan 2016, 13:38#10
  Who should have been appointed Stormers coach? Results.
  • John Mitchell: 88.45% (467 of 528)
  • Robbie Fleck: 11.55% (61 of 528)
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
11 Jan 2016, 13:39
#11
11 Jan 2016, 13:39#11
Who should have been appointed Stormers coach? Results.
  • John Mitchell: 88.45% (467 of 528)
  • Robbie Fleck: 11.55% (61 of 528)
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,279 posts
11 Jan 2016, 13:39
#12
11 Jan 2016, 13:39#12
.duplicate
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jan 2016, 04:21
#13
12 Jan 2016, 04:21#13
 Mozart - the Moron
You quoted the stats for one match where Matfield played for xactly 17 minutes before the poor bugger limped off the field.  He did squad in that test and took one line-out ball and make 3 weak tackles.  Now in that test Etzebeth took four balls in line-outs according to the stats you provided.   You wanted to imply that in that test in 17 minutes the Springboks had to throw into line-outs 5 times?  Fact is there were only one line-out when the Springboks threw in the ball and that was not called to go to Matfield.
When De Jager came on he was so good he assisted to put the Aussies under pressure and they made a lot of relieving kicks where the balls were in fact put into the line-outs by the Springboks - hence the rapid rise in the number of line-outs.  In the calling of the line-outs by De Jager it was four to Etzebeth and four to De Jager himself.
You threw your toys out of the cot about the next test - where the strategy was to use driving mauls and you are too stupid to realize that driing mauls most are from the middle of the line-outs - not the front and where of the 11 line-out calls made 5 went to De Jager and 4 to Burger with one going to Etzebeth.   But since your argument was sure to be found out - you started off with an outright lie about 16 calls being made.
I tried to open the test rugby stats to see what calls were made by th Matfild disaster in tests when he was at 5 - but has problems to get the site to open for the 2014 and 2015 tests.   When I get that I will post it on site.        
        
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Jan 2016, 05:45
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12 Jan 2016, 05:45#14
Blah blah....produce the test where Matfield started and Etzebeth was never used. You claimed that happened in several tests, produce them. And by the way don't bother to go back to 2014, your comment referred to 2015 tests...here's the quote which put you in this pickle:
RE: High Praise for Lood de Jager
January 09, 2016, 16:56:30

 Lets face facts you came with a story about 16 calls - when De Jager made 5 of 11 legal calls to come to himself  - the rest went to Burger and one to Etzebeth.  What was the game plan he was instructed to execute?   


In succeeding games Matfield made the calls and he never once in 2 matches called the balls to go to Etzebeth in line-outs.  When that stupid past-it made the calls mo comments from you about the issue.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Jan 2016, 18:50
#15
12 Jan 2016, 18:50#15
 Try the Aussie test in June - you useless old fool.  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Jan 2016, 17:38
#16
13 Jan 2016, 17:38#16
 There was no Aussie test in June.....game, set and match.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Jan 2016, 19:07
#17
13 Jan 2016, 19:07#17
 Another nonsensical argument about spilled milk.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jan 2016, 00:26
#18
14 Jan 2016, 00:26#18
Actually it's an argument about whether the take on Lomp at the WC is accurate...which bears on future selection . Put your head on straight. 
PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
14 Jan 2016, 01:53
#19
14 Jan 2016, 01:53#19
 There's a reason Mitchell coaches overseas. He's an unwanted prick in NZ, may have a good rugby brain but people skills suck and has a reputation for "his way or no way".
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jan 2016, 02:03
#20
14 Jan 2016, 02:03#20
 Unwanted in NZ and we have a bunch of morons on here who want him to coach the Springboks..befuddled.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Jan 2016, 03:18
#21
14 Jan 2016, 03:18#21
 The fool that regarded Matfield as adequate is the real moron on this site,     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Jan 2016, 05:57
#22
14 Jan 2016, 05:57#22
Found that test yet Pervert?
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