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Morne Steyn’s cool head

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2021, 20:28
#1
07 Aug 2021, 20:28#1

Make no mistake, Pollard never had his kicking boots on and Steyn faced two pressure packed kicks. The first one would have been a great kick in a meaningless club game….under this pressure it was massive. The second less difficult but it still had to be kicked.


Our scrum certainly never got worse when Lomp went off….Great game by Mostert and Etzebeth.


But Kolbe does it again….what a run. Set up yet again by a Lions short up and under with no cover behind the chasers.


Gatland really coached this series like a total fool.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
07 Aug 2021, 20:38
#2
07 Aug 2021, 20:38#2

I got the feeling one of those kicks going awry from either side was going to break the game open as the Lions had launched a few strong counters off Bok kicks as well. As a low risk strategy, it's not all that low risk.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Aug 2021, 20:45
#3
07 Aug 2021, 20:45#3

Especially when you are launching them from just outside your 22….your feeling was right.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:23
#4
07 Aug 2021, 21:23#4

He buggered up  three  things when he came onto the field also - was in fact no factor bar sabotage on the field other than the two kicks at goal.     

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:31
#5
07 Aug 2021, 21:31#5

Old soldiers never die. Come Mike you are sounding like mozzzz and the org often do! 

Congrats to Morne. Great pressure kicks. Ice calm temperament.

Come O n Be Happy!!!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:33
#6
07 Aug 2021, 21:33#6

Morne's kicks were good. He came onto the pitch to close the game, which he did. It was a repeat of the 2009 Lions with Morne putting the final nail in the coffin. 

The bugger up he made behind the touchline was concerning, as it might have been a knock-on, or a 5-meter scrum if the play had not been taken back for advantage.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:33
#7
07 Aug 2021, 21:33#7

Indeed Beenz...time to rejoice!

SE
SebPro2,680 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:44
#8
07 Aug 2021, 21:44#8

Not to take the glory away but a one star game...bits and pieces. No convincing decision but the one star sealed it resulted in the edge....Kolbe.

No superiority established...high tackle on Kolbe, before his brilliant burst, was a joke.Just an exciting clash, where the dice went right...both sides established no superiority but someone had to win.

Lions are a sound team...result could have gone their way as well. Sense less argument.

Steyn had zero to do with it.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Aug 2021, 21:51
#9
07 Aug 2021, 21:51#9

We won a tight game...always good to win the close ones. 

Flashdakota
FlashdakotaClub Pro802 posts
07 Aug 2021, 22:49
#10
07 Aug 2021, 22:49#10
The series was a war of attrition. It was won in the trenches. To be very fair it could have gone either way in the end. But hell I’m not complaining. Well done to the whole Bok outfit. This was a real squad effort. I’m so happy tonight. And very fitting that Morne slotted over the winning penalty. I was worried when he came on, it hey… I’m not the Bok coach. He knows more than I or we do.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Aug 2021, 03:43
#11
08 Aug 2021, 03:43#11

The Lions outclassed the Boks, but bobbling kicking and a bad ref call was the difference. Rassie will surely feel satisfied. 

As for Morné. He didn't have a lot to do, but made the kicks that needed to be made. The gulf in quality between the Lions 10s and the Boks was unexpected and alarming. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
08 Aug 2021, 11:49
#12
08 Aug 2021, 11:49#12

Saw Skinstad on TV and he said: " Th e more things change, the morne they steyn the same". 

Matt Stevens said that "Morne Steyn is the IT Clown hiding in the sewer looking up the Lions"

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Aug 2021, 12:07
#13
08 Aug 2021, 12:07#13

but bobbling kicking and a bad ref call was the difference

Auge, what bad ref call? The Wiese "knock-on"? See Owens' take on Rugbypass, which is the same as mine. There was no clear evidence of a knock.

"The most critical of the three stoppages was the lengthy examination of home no.8 Jasper Wiese’s possible aerial knock-on in the period immediately prior to Cheslin Kolbe’s counter-attack try.

After several replays Raynal eventually grasped the nettle and advised TMO Marius Jonker “there is no clear evidence of a knock on” before awarding the try.

I thought this was also a 50-50 call, but with the ten-metre line available to assist I concurred with the view that the ball had gone up and down rather than forwards following its contact with Wiese’s upper arm and shoulder.

It is also interesting to speculate how the team of officials – who took charge of all three test matches – may have learned from their handling of a similar situation during the first test.

On that occasion the fact that there was neither clear evidence (nor helpful pitch markings) to prove that Willie le Roux was ahead of Lukhanyo Am’s chip did not stop Jonker chalking off a South African try.

The fact that Raynal repeatedly used the phrase “no clear evidence is available” suggests to me that the match official group had this particular aspect of the TMO protocol drilled into them following the criticism they rightly received."

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Aug 2021, 12:12
#14
08 Aug 2021, 12:12#14

I personally feel it was a bad call, and a big one. 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
08 Aug 2021, 12:24
#15
08 Aug 2021, 12:24#15

It is a big call, therefore if there is no clear evidence of an infringement, play on. That's the sensible way to approach it. The team has already scored. If you want to cancel that score, the evidence needs to be 100% clear cut.

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Aug 2021, 12:46
#16
08 Aug 2021, 12:46#16

For me it was clear enough. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Aug 2021, 13:07
#17
08 Aug 2021, 13:07#17
As much as I can’t stand Morne as a player - credit for kicking those two kicks as Pollard was off What the hell did Mostert do that was noteworthy?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Aug 2021, 15:40
#18
08 Aug 2021, 15:40#18

Oaks context please. The British and Irish players were match hardened and ready to play.

The same cannot be said of a hopelessly underdone Bok side. Guts , physicality, great defence and determination won out.

Yes Rassie has taught the refs abig lesson. You try and shaft the Boks and your incompetence and cheating will be brutally exposed.

Rassie is without doubt one of the premier coaches in world rugby today. He award as World coach of  the years and his record cement this fact.

No panel will be able to overturn the facts the video presented. Rassie with his great courage and evidence based approach has done the rugby world a great favour proving that ref accountability must be improved. For too long we have seen travesty after travesty go unpunished, cover ups etc.

Morne has nerves of steel. FACT! What a call by Rassie.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Aug 2021, 16:59
#19
08 Aug 2021, 16:59#19

Beeno

Steyn  may have nerves of steel when coming to kicking at goal - for the rest he is weak and poor as a flyhalf.    Most usable players  with more ability to play the full game expected from flyhalfs would have converted those two kicks anyway,   

Just go back in your mind to the match between the Springboks and the Bulls where. Morne and Jantjies were the flyhalfs involved  and the Springboks lost the game. - as well as the Springbok "B" team match against the Lions where the Springbok "B" team won the game because of brilliant play by De Allende and where Steyn on the whole put in a miserable performance.

I am grateful about the two penalties - but for the rest saw once again that Mporne is a pathetic flyhalf on the whole. throughout his playing career.        .       

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Aug 2021, 17:29
#20
08 Aug 2021, 17:29#20

"I personally feel it was a bad call, and a big one. "

Yes, because you want the Boks to lose. ..that simple...ende!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
08 Aug 2021, 17:38
#21
08 Aug 2021, 17:38#21
Heck Draad you can be difficult! 
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Aug 2021, 17:56
#22
08 Aug 2021, 17:56#22

???

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Aug 2021, 18:06
#23
08 Aug 2021, 18:06#23

Want to lose? How do you determine intentions? I'm a fan of the Boks, not of Josè. The Boks are bigger than the buffoons at the helm for a short time. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Aug 2021, 18:15
#24
08 Aug 2021, 18:15#24

We had three incompetent fools coaching  the Boks who  after 2010 won absolutely nothing of note  as coaches - two of which you always praised even after they were fired as grossly incompetent.      At last we have a coach that helped the team to win the RC, the WC and now  beat the Lions and you call him a buffoon.     That says it all incompetence and fools are your pick and that shows your own imbecility -  the Kindergarten Imbecile you are and the Kinderga rten Imbecile you always will be.     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2021, 18:54
#25
08 Aug 2021, 18:54#25

Helped the team win….doing exactly the opposite of what you were prescribing Pervert. How ironical.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Aug 2021, 19:24
#26
08 Aug 2021, 19:24#26

Any other decent flyhalf would have converted those kicks anyway. and would besides that makes a real contribution in other aspects of the game as well.    He buggered up badly in three cases and  what was his tackle and carry count/  Zip.      

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2021, 19:29
#27
08 Aug 2021, 19:29#27

What were the three cases?

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
08 Aug 2021, 20:11
#28
08 Aug 2021, 20:11#28

Hey Guys it is obvious from this BL - Boks series that many of you are not to pleased with the set up at the SARU with Erasmus and his side kick at the helm of selection, managing and training of the Boks.

So get your rugby management careers, ex-player skills and all your playing achievements documented and submit them to the SARU for consideration to replace the two guys running the Boks at present.

None of us have ever played test rugby so stop your bitching, accusations and personal remarks and at least acknowledge the SPRINGBOK series win.

Thanks to all the players representing the country in this series they at least we won something in the midst of all the chaos in the country.

Bok Bok, Bok.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2021, 20:27
#29
08 Aug 2021, 20:27#29

Back to Morne….I rather liked this description:


It was directly in front of the uprights, about 35 metres back. In 2009 the kick was from 53.8 metres. Technically this was easier, but in reality, the poles must have looked a million miles away.

"Steyn though, strode up, took the tee, wafted his storied right boot through the ball and immediately bent down to pick up the tee. No fuss and no drama. Know your job, do your job, is a Bok mantra and Steyn played his role to perfection.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Aug 2021, 20:47
#30
08 Aug 2021, 20:47#30
No AJH only Moz and omelette have issues with Rassie and they happen to be the only 2 on the planet that don’t rate him
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Aug 2021, 20:49
#31
08 Aug 2021, 20:49#31
Yep Morne is a master at goal kicking but his two on field fluffs nearly cost us
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Aug 2021, 20:50
#32
08 Aug 2021, 20:50#32

"How do you determine intentions? "

In your case, it's easy to conclude from your actions....

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
08 Aug 2021, 21:07
#33
08 Aug 2021, 21:07#33
Call a spade a spade. In what have I been wrong? The Boks are playing awful rugby, José is out of ideas, Steph, Lood and Damian were substandard again. What is so difficult for you to grasp? I believe the Wiese knock-on was a knock-on. The flight of the ball was pretty easy to determine. In a series where José bemoaned biased reffing, a bad call in his favour was the decider to win a game they were thoroughly dominated in. Nothing here is wrong. There's a difference between being a fan and a cult follower. This is the truth: You and the other plastics are more a fan of José than the Boks. It's that simple. Each and every coach I have held accountable for their actions and decisions. Somehow José is supposed to be the exception. This painfully average coach who leans so heavily on his submissive pal Krutch. Moz has it right, he is an egomaniac. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Aug 2021, 23:28
#34
08 Aug 2021, 23:28#34

Back to Morne….essential reading for the Pervert:


Morne the Lions slayer
Who writes Morne Steyn’s scripts? When the 37-year-old was named on the bench for the final Test, the wheels were set in motion for another dramatic intervention from the man whose penalty secured the Springboks the 2009 series. But the stars still needed to align for Steyn, who was playing his first Test for five years, to reprise his role as the Lions’ tormentor in chief. When the moment came with a minute left, he coolly stepped up to complete the circle on 12 years ago. It may be his last act for South Africa, but what an imprint he has left on their history.



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Aug 2021, 00:43
#35
09 Aug 2021, 00:43#35

What an achievement, to seal two Lions series. That's going to be a very tough act to follow. Nobody in South Africa will ever do that again. I think that's safe to say. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Aug 2021, 03:51
#36
09 Aug 2021, 03:51#36

By a kick at goal - Mama Mia this is kids stuff - no human brain knowing rugby would accept s uch drivel.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 06:24
#37
09 Aug 2021, 06:24#37

You mean SARugby Mag or Rugby 24 or the Guardian or Planet Rugby or The Times or Rugby 365? 

They all saw the uniqueness in Morne’s  accomplishment. They mostly, however, missed his tactical sense, getting the kickoff back into Lions territory without a reset. Avoiding the short up and under route that so hurt the Lions.

Erasmus has confirmed his value by picking him for the RC and you can bet he will be involved. As will Mostert.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Aug 2021, 06:37
#38
09 Aug 2021, 06:37#38

Mozart

Yopu once wrote hat 90% of th functions of a flyhalf is to kick balls.   that being he case I understand he idiocy of  your support for flyhalfs who cannot function properly. in that position.   If Morne gets hyped up by the media then good luck to him and bad luck to the Springbok team that  is bound to suffer as a result.

Bar the two kicks at goal the rest of his performance on Saturday was worth minus 0. in other words worthless.    

Erasmus and Nienaber is human - they rarely makes mistakes but in selecting Mornne they made a huge mistake.    .   .           .  


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
09 Aug 2021, 08:52
#39
09 Aug 2021, 08:52#39

"By a kick at goal - Mama Mia this is kids stuff -"

Really? You thought a kick at goal was such an incredible achievement in 2014 against New Zealand that you thought attribute all credit to Lambie for the performance, and disregard Pollard. Even though Lambie missed a sitter bang in front of the posts a short while earlier and got run over in the last moments of the game for NZ to break out an almost score a try. You said it was all proof that Lambie was the best flyhalf in the world. You plastics are utterly ridiculous. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Aug 2021, 09:24
#40
09 Aug 2021, 09:24#40

Sure it was - it was a much longer and more difficult kick and totally out of range of kicks that Steyn kicked making it a really important one and essential to convert  after Matfield caused the Springboks to fall behind in the score.    I never said Lambie was the best flyhalf in the world - but in all round flyhalf play he was miles better than Morne ever was.          

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