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Mostert as a lock

Started by Saffolk 22 REPLIES2,902 VIEWS· 09 Aug 2021, 17:24
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 17:24
#1
09 Aug 2021, 17:24#1
How utterly shit is this guy when it comes to physicality Fuck me it’s the least we should expect from our Bok test lock that he can actually carry the ball in traffic but as I keep reminding you lot, the guy literally goes backwards A total of 6 runs in two tests as a lock gaining all of 1 metre, yes 1 fucking metre Yes he takes his line out balls and makes his low open field tackles like a centre He is not a fucking lock - we are Boks we need real men at lock These stats are alarming The worst still is Mostert not being able to clear out an 18 year old Georgian fullback - does it get any more embarrassing? As a lock what value does this guy add, seriously?
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
09 Aug 2021, 17:50
#2
09 Aug 2021, 17:50#2

He may be considered as a blindside flank for the Boks going forward to cover Pieter Steph DuToit. 

With RJ Synman back, and Lood Dejager who was good in the 2nd test, but not as good in the third- there is more competition.

Mostert is a workhorse where much of his contribution is missed in the tight loose. 


DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Aug 2021, 18:00
#3
09 Aug 2021, 18:00#3

BS...I'm not a Mostert fan, but he's serving his purpose well...he's not our best lock, but given his experience and versatility,  he's a good team player, especially off the bench ...he takes too much flack on here...he doesn't select himself...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Aug 2021, 18:01
#4
09 Aug 2021, 18:01#4

RG as a blindside...imagine that...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Aug 2021, 18:10
#5
09 Aug 2021, 18:10#5
Lomp was capable of playing intensively for about 15 minutes in the second test….maybe 10m minutes in the 3rd test where he was bog ordinary. Make him a starter and he will loaf his way through whole matches. If Mostert has a V12, Lomp has a rubber band engine…..zero endurance.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Aug 2021, 19:31
#6
09 Aug 2021, 19:31#6
Mostert was an insult 1m in 6 runs is the height of embarrassment But not eclipsed by his inability to clear out an 18 year old fullback That’s insulting for a lock but evidences how utterly weak Mostert is Lood in those 20min in the second test made more of an impression than Mostert did all series
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
12 Aug 2021, 23:06
#7
12 Aug 2021, 23:06#7



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2021, 04:03
#8
13 Aug 2021, 04:03#8

Mostert makes a contribution a minute…brilliant tackle, brilliant turnover towards the end.

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Aug 2021, 05:12
#9
13 Aug 2021, 05:12#9

Mostert was an insult 1m in 6 runs is the height of embarrassment

Eben 2m in 6 runs in test 2, 0m in 3 runs in test 3. Also an embarrassment? There's a context to runs in stats as you yourself has stated more than once on this forum.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2021, 11:17
#10
13 Aug 2021, 11:17#10

Lets go back a bit and look at what happened to Mostert in and since 2018.   In 2018 when Mostert was in the lock position the Springboks started not making corner kicks with the intention fo using driving mauls s an attacking weapon - because the key issue was that Mostert  due to physical deficiency was no usable in that tactic.    

In 2019 th problems urfaced of him incapabe of making open-field tackles  - this problem was also observed in the AB test in 2018 in Wellington where he missed two open-field tackles - but got worse in 2019 when  both the Argentines (in the RC test) and the AB's in the (WC game got tries scored because he did not make the required tackles and tries wer scored as a result.   The combination of problems caused Erasmus to drop him from the WC startig line-up in major matches in that series.

The line-out problem bit the Springboks  hard in the second test against the Lions when before De Jager came on  Mostert caused a major problem in the lien-outs when balls were thrown at him/  - thrown in by Springboks m  and long before   De Jager actually came on theymoved Etzebeth to the middle of the line-ou and keep on thooowing balls   Whn tDe Jager came on Etzebeth moved back to his position in the front part of the line-out while Mostert was m0oved further back in the line-outs.   

As for open-field tackles - of the four tackles missed by Mostert in the third test against the Lions three was open-field tackles.   Mostert is obviously a likeable guy - but to my mind he is not a Springbok lock .    

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,233 posts
13 Aug 2021, 13:57
#11
13 Aug 2021, 13:57#11

Lineouts improved when Marx was on the field.

In the 2nd test Steph Dutoit was injured which made the lineout even worse in the first half, before Marx got onto the pitch


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Aug 2021, 14:25
#12
13 Aug 2021, 14:25#12

The forst four thrpow-ins by Mbonambi - two went to Etzebeth - both won by the Springboks - two went to Mostert - both lost by the Springboks.   

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Aug 2021, 15:25
#13
13 Aug 2021, 15:25#13

Bongi was a bit off his game in the last test...that's all...there's not much to choose between him and Marx...he's normally better with the normal hooker play, but Marx brings something extra playing towards the ball at the breakdowns...we are lucky to have two complete world class front rows...either one of the 2 sets can start in tests.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2021, 16:02
#14
13 Aug 2021, 16:02#14

Dud Toit plays no role in the lineouts…get real Shark.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2021, 00:36
#15
14 Aug 2021, 00:36#15
When Mostert played 7 for the Boks in the last test did any line out ball go to him?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2021, 01:59
#16
14 Aug 2021, 01:59#16

Probably not because Lomp was calling for himself. 

AU
AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2021, 08:19
#17
14 Aug 2021, 08:19#17
Mostert is our best lineout caller. He and Eben our best jumpers. Lood's lineout steal was overly praised, especially considering that the Lions amateurishly allowed him to be in front of Itoje and the final jumper throughout the entire move. The Itoje decoy was so telegraphed that none of the Boks bought it. As for Steph, slow and languid. 
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Aug 2021, 10:14
#18
14 Aug 2021, 10:14#18

When Mostert played 7 for the Boks in the last test did any line out ball go to him?

I think he did get at least one in the second half if I recall correctly .

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Aug 2021, 12:51
#19
14 Aug 2021, 12:51#19

Moster has become more valuable. He is best at 7 due to a lack of real grunt. But can cover lock.

Can't figure why this player attracts so much heat. It is very clear how he will be used by the Boks in future .

With PSDT out he will play 7. When PSDT returns he will be on bench covering 7 and loc k.

What everyone should be able to agree on is that Mostert plays 80 minutes and is all heart.

Trouble is Mostert to many here is all good or all bad. That is BS. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2021, 13:17
#20
14 Aug 2021, 13:17#20

Beeno

Maybe it is the result of the constant unjustified attacks  on Du Toit by Mozart and the Kindergarten Imbecile.    They constantly praise Mostert and vilify Du Toit.   Fact is the Mozart is an average player with some deficiencies and du Toit is a top class player.  

the same is the problem with De Allende, Esterhuizen and Frans Steyn.   I think the latter is still in contention because his successor as back-up for De Allende, namely Damian Willemse, still needs test time  to get him a fully functioning squad member.   I think Erasmus and nienaber is not really interested in Esterhuizen - a good provincial/club level player, with some rather obvious deficiencies that hampers his step-up to the national team.   

As to the flyhalf position we are indeed in trouble - with Pollard the only top class test level player and potential back-ups are pathetic.   White has contracted Goosen and he has shown signs of class - but I think Erasmus should look deeper for a back-up of Pollard.

The problem with Mozart is always the same - when he came on sight he was a potential competitor to Matfield for Springbok selection - and that was the reason for the attacks on Du Toit to this day.   The same applies to de Allende who was ahead of  Frans Steyn iro the center position when De Villiers faded out due to injury.    Another player under attack for th same silly reason is Quinton de Kock - who replaced Graeme  Smith in the ODI squad.   One would think that members will become objective  since 2013 - but nothing has changed iro th players mentioned above and we need to accept that it is immaturity that cause that kind of prejudice.         .         

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2021, 13:17
#21
14 Aug 2021, 13:17#21

Duplicate

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Aug 2021, 14:51
#22
14 Aug 2021, 14:51#22

Beeno is right...Mostert is all heart, give me a team full of that with ordinary good players than a team of scattered prima donnas' who are out for their own glory and ego's. Not saying that you don't need them, just that rugby is a team game with each giving it's best brings out the best combined effort. Many good rugby coaches will agree on that, if you get the right context and balance...

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Aug 2021, 15:16
#23
14 Aug 2021, 15:16#23

Mostert is a fine player with fine skills AND a lot of heart...a real Bok, he always lifts his game when playing in green...best utility forward we've got after PSDT.

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