Mostert red card rescinded

As reported by Netwerk24 (paywall). Officials found to be in error, downgraded to yellow.

Can’t say I am 1 bit surprised.

the only surprising thing is that Loods wasn’t rescinded either.

Oh, so it takes a review with a panel of experts to determine that his shoulder never touched the head.

Tell me, what percentage of people that view that clip a single time in slow motion would agree that his shoulder hit the head?

Zero. Thats how many. Zero people, ranging from avid fans to people that have never played or seen a single game would claim Mostert's shoulder hit the head...because it didn't and that is very obvious from a single viewing.

That being the case, why did the officials, paid and trained to adjudicate this sort of thing, claim there was head contact when there was none...literally none?

So, will there be investigations, fines and firings?

Will WR ban TMOs and refs and site incompetence/cheating as the grounds?

...or will it be, "Oh, it was just a mistake."

Will there be an explanation from those involved on exactly what their thought process was and what evidence they saw?

Then...will there be a review of other very clear instances in the game where worse contacts with clear head contact involved were made and yet entirely ignored?

Will there be an explanation as to why those incidents were treated differently and what the thought process was?

Of course not.

Ja we should get Tool Trainini's salary, us.

And guess who else was involved again as AR? Ben o'Teef. He of the "both arms" call with the Earl chop tackle on Suaalii, which even a blind man could see was a blatant lie. I think he's the WR hitman double agent enforcer. Yeah I'm going full conspiracy and I don't even care.

Are you telling me, that this fucked Ref and his even more Fucked up TMO’s, could not establish after all those replays that there was zero head contact??

Pure fucking bias and deliberate wrong calling. WR is the biggest joke of the century…Match fixing is clearly organised!

This so called offence, is not even worth a yellow, FFS!

A test match turned into a farce, as even the commentators opined. Italy humiliated losing to a 14-man B side. Players like BJ Dixon losing their opportunities due to forced shifts to accommodate the missing player. There's a lot to answer for.

"Franco Mostert's red card against Italy was officially rescinded by a World Rugby disciplinary panel, as there was insufficient evidence of direct head contact."

The question also arises whether the same process was followed iro of the De Jager tackle by the Disciplanary Panel. If not then I think that the same Disciplinary Panel should look at that one was well.

From my perspective this tye of t hing is showing serious deficiencies in video review by an appointed official. In both cases the referee did not act until the TMO forced him to order red cards. I do not blame the onfield fo those abortions - the call came from.the TMOo that is not directly at the disposal of the referee - but insisted on by the video review and even that was inconclusive. In the case of De Jager it was a farce as well, Fact is that Ramos was not hurt or anything - he got up and went back to his position immediately. For that reason WR seems to me needed to review that one as well.

Yes, it’s shows very clearly, that the match officials are either really, I mean really fucking stupid, or corrupt!

There is absolutely no other explanation!

Mpower

What is troubling me that in both cases the TNO were from France and Italy repectively.- that leave the door wide open for abuse. What is also needed and I am sure will come out in the Wessels case such cases use of officials from countries where tests are imminent should not be on panels reviewing bans like hapepned in the Wessels and De Jager cases,

World Rugby should act in both cases as well by having both ases reviewed by the same panel of experts a happened in the Mostert case. . ,

Yes Uncle Mike, that is really worrying though. It points directly in the direction of abuse, towards Stronger Teams.

I feel like the slow motion makes things look way worse. You can't ignore it because it does provide clearer details-on-da-details of the hit. It's like slow motion inadvertently imbues more intention on the player than is actually there.

The game doesn't happen in slow motion. Players are human, with human response times. Red cards are for deliberate acts of foul. If an event unfolds where the offending player has less than the average human's response time to respond, and a foul occurs, the player cannot be said to be acting deliberately. That's clearly broken logic.

The always illegal argument makes sense only up to the point of penalising the player in terms of what would be the result had the unexpected not occurred - In Lood's case, he may have gotten a yellow for not wrapping. But he had no time to adjust to the Frenchie falling down in front of him.

The hit on BB in the AB game being a prime example - Here, Barrett is way ahead of where he should be, isn't suppose to be getting the ball, and runs into Beirne. Again, applying the "never legal" rational, because Beirne was technically making a tackle and was also technically never legal, he cops a red.

It lacks common sense to the point where you wonder why, as mentioned on this site recently, the commentators are able to get most of the calls correct but the officials aren't. Is common sense not allowed in the trailer behind the stadium. Is there a sign hanging on the door that says "No common here?"

The pity being that the technology available is so good, its just being given a bad rep by people that appear not to be able to make efficient use of it.

I personally can't wait for Sky Net to take over refereeing completely. Hell, a panel of 20 players watching the game and voting on their mobile phones on what the sanction should be would be better than this. The technology gives you the details and common sense should determine how those details are interpreted.

Plum

For a complete difference from the past I agree with you on this one.

Plum, is Sky Net a Reference to Terminator?:)

I think it would be Catastrophic if fans Get to vote…we do need dedicated Refs, but they need to go thru stringent Evaluations to get selected.

Someone on one of the panel shows said something in the line of "the refs should have empathy with the players". This is what is lacking. They are so by the book with their little "thresholds" that they ignore what the player actually can and cannot do in the split second that things change after they've committed to an action. Lood is an example - he was lining up a waist high hit, suddenly Ramos goes down on his knees and in a split second the target changes from waist to neck. There's nothing you can do except for, as I said elsewhere before about the Lood incident, make sure you get your technique right from the start so you get the maximum chance of mitigation.

Happy for Franco, he looked devastated sitting by himself on the sidelines. A blow for such a team player. That would have been no way to end what may be his last year playing for the Boks.

Just imagine how pissed people would be if we had lost

Agreed Mostert did not deserve that. He looked devastated. Hopefully he can have his final game for the Boks against Wales next week

At least it did not cost the Boks the game

To think Wessels got banned with no relevant evidence at all. Even if he had grabbed the guys bollocks you can’t punish him when there is zero evidence to prove his actions

Officiating on and off the field has become a farce and doing our beloved game a disservice

Are we supposed to be grateful that the red was rescinded... it wasn't a yellow (WR just trying to save face) and debatable that it was even a pen.

I would rather prefer, that DDA the tractor, play his last game this year, not the Legend that is Mostert!!

Cards are ruining the game and so many pundits have called it out.

What they should do is focus on player welfare, if a player have take head knock, be it a poor tackle, be it a unfortunate ruck contact, what ever contact, make sure the player gets seen too. Malicious play can be dealt with after the game and fine the player or in worse cases, reverse the outcome our penalise the team but don't ruin the game for the fans.

Only blatant and obvious foul play should be carded with a straight ejection of that player from the game and an immediate penalty try and swap the player out.

This is to avoid dirty tactics that were all to common in this game where they target players with skulduggery. Let the circus happen after the game and the journo can have a field day.

Protect the game and expect that it is a contact sport.

If a player want to end another players career let them and their union pay the penalty towards the player and the length of the injury and their career.

E.g. Pat Lambie took an deliberate shoulder to the head from Jerome Kano, it ended up that he had to retire and that impact could attributed to his action. What was most amazing we only got a penalty and Lambie still had to convert it from 50 meters out.

The same for Bakkies, any union fields these types of players should pay the price. Only after the game

When Wessels was banned for was it 9 games few came out against the absurd decision even though there was no evidence and the ban was the result only of an Irish players word.

Then came Loo and again few initially came to Lood's defence.

Then came Mostert at which point even poor old Pakster jumped ship and suddenly he was all outraged..

Seems the penny finally dropped for poor Pakster that something very bad was afoot. So he changed his foot realizing his bias against the Boks would be badly exposed if he didn't.

So then there was a rush for the doors by the Mamparas Union sheep, each trying to out do their others in slamming the TMO etc

Hilarious effort by the Mamparas Union.

Mamparas might recall I said there was a plot going on against the Boks. This was of course reinforced by how other similar incidents were called.

"I think it would be Catastrophic if fans Get to vote…we do need dedicated Refs, but they need to go thru stringent Evaluations to get selected."

They are, but when they get there, the oversight and accountability is dodgy...p!$$poor for a professional game...

What’s your problem HasBeen. Regardless of what happens you use it as an excuse to attack your fellow posters…..piles?

There is a character in Asterix and the Great Divide called Codfix, described on the Asterix website as follows:

The horrid Codfix, with a head like a pickled herring and his noxious body odour, matches the other heavy, Tortuous Convolvulus, in sowing discord wherever he goes.

It must have been divine inspiration that guided Mr Uderzo to give us this representation of Beeno.

Spot On Pakie…

Can you believe it, he’s been born again…..the same mistake twice!

1. Now that's uncalled for Moz...there's enough avenues getting at Beenz...no need to use that one...

1. .

Nothing like a good waltz...

But it’s so apt. The man pounds his religion, but can’t resist attacking others.

Glass houses, casting stones....

Now you’re speaking in tongues.

But not a forked one...

Nice one. No according to HasBeen that would be me, but heaven (no pun intended) forbid if I respond in kind. My view is if you use your religion as a weapon, don’t expect others to respect your beliefs.

Beenz is Beenz...geen salf te smeer...

Anybody not calling out the anti Bok, anti Rassie, anti Du Toit and Anti Allende Mamparas Union is likely a mampara in the making!

Thanks Draad but poor Mozzietard has his nose severely out of joint. He has been badly exposed and is getting hysterical.

Bye the way Mozzie needs to know unless you are born again you will not enter the Kingdom og Heaven.

I commend to Mozzietard the Gospel of John.

Stop acting crazy Mamparas Union and there will be no need to call you out.

No more hypocrisy please!

Well you raise a deep question, can anybody who rates Esterhozen over Dud Allende enter the kingdom of heaven?

Beeno has found a new Church and was "reborn" again. He left the planet for about one year. A bit like Israel Folau in his third coming playing for Tonga.

I’m deeply religious - I love the Boks

I can't remember seeing the automatic red card before ... now there's two, both fairly 'soft' offences, & why the hurry? They've ten minutes to study the evidence before a possible upgrade. Its a kak look.

The Wessels sentence now that was truly appalling . An accusation of an alleged offence that nobody neverever saw based solely on the gift of the gab of an Irishman who probably grew up in BlarneyTown.

I am not goin to attack anmybody - but Mostert will NOT play in the Wales Test on 28 November 2025 since the test falls outside of the World Rugby test window for release of club players to play test riugby. By then Mostert will be in Japan already.

But I do agree with Dave in one way. The Italian test was Mostert's last test he played in for the Springboks, There are too many younger players that is going to be candidates to replace Mostert in Springbok squads.next year,