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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 11:19
#1
15 Aug 2022, 11:19#1
Clearly there has to be 7 players of colour in the starting line up - this was evidenced by the Marx/ Dweba debacle If that is the case then let’s make sure the 7 are merit selections or close to and that we start our worlds best players. This would be the case with the following side: 15. Gelant 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. Willemse 11. Mapimpi 10. Pollard 9. Hendrikse 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Thomas du Toit 4. Etzebeth 5. RG Snyman 6. Kolisi 7. PSDT 8. Roos 16. Mbonambi 17. Ox 18. Malherbe 19. Lood 20. Kwagga 21. Faf 22. Willie 23. de Allende We need to get the likes of Fassi, Tambwe, Nkosi, Moodie, Sango Xamlashe, Herschel Jantjies, Dweba, Moerat, Buthelezi and Vincent Tsituka into the squad and being introduced off the bench
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
15 Aug 2022, 11:59
#2
15 Aug 2022, 11:59#2

I was thinking exactly the same over the weekend Saffex. Who should we really select in the team. 

That said, I don't agree with Mpimpi or Kolisi remaining in the team. I know you rate them but their roles are very restrictive. I know pimps have a fantastic rags to riches story, but that story has now been written and it is time to move on. The same can be said of Kolisi, he simply hasn't showed the same form as last year and should also be put on notice. 

I think we should bring in the form wingers from the URC such as Zas or Tambwe. Nkosi is another good prospect but he has been battling injury and form this season and had a few poor games for the boks. 

Then we still have Fassi, but also massive dip in form. 

On Fat (Belly Flop) Frans Malherbe. The oke either need to gain some muscle and much fitness or start looking for his next camp, fat camp that is. 

I still believe it is a crime that Coetzee is not even near the squad. 

My back 3 would be Kwagga, Roos, Du Toit with Coetzee on the bench as he covers all 3 positions 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:07
#3
15 Aug 2022, 12:07#3
I’d be happy with Nkosi or Tambwe ahead of Mapimpi But Kolisi stays for me - he was very good in the first test against NZ and along with Eben was easily our best forward on last years EOYT Malherbe is good, the unsung hero in the Bok side but Thomas gives us the same stability in the scrums but so much more in general play, especially effecting turnovers Marcel Coetzee is the wrong side of 30 so no point in investing in him, particularly since we have so many good young loosies coming through Fassi has not lost form he has been sent back to the Sharks to work on his defence
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:10
#4
15 Aug 2022, 12:10#4

I thought you said you wanted to select merited players of colour?

Kolisi isn't a merit selection. Not even close.

We need a specialist openside flank to contest the breakdown. Kolisi doesn't know how to play at 6. Please tell me what he brings to the side? Even his on field decisions are being taken by Etzebeth. 

Relying on Marx to do his job for him makes no sense.

Kolisi is a passenger. Select someone else. 

Pieter-Steff Du Toit is also not worthy of the jersey. We need a Juan Smith type ... a Willem Alberts ... aggressive in the loose. Not just a line jumper.

I would prefer Mostert in place of the weedy Lood.

De Lindy would not make my squad ... never mind my match 23.

I prefer to have the wizard Kolbe at 15.

Thomas Du Toit is a retreaded loosehead ... much like Coenie Oosthuizen. Not for me. 

Bongi and Ox are both quotas.  

Look at that list of players you want to bring into the squad. They rae all players of colour. How come?? Do you have something against the white talent in the country?

Dweeb is useless. We saw that clearly on Saturday 

Why bring him in? Charity?

Gelant? Wow!! Rather have brainfart Willie starting at 15.

No ... I don't like you team at all. It's what Rassie would select.

 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:17
#5
15 Aug 2022, 12:17#5
Clean Cunt no one gives a fuck about what you have to say for two reasons: You know fuck all about rugby and you are a pathetic racist twat I see you have given up on the Red Rose crap you pathetic twat?
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:49
#6
15 Aug 2022, 12:49#6
Kolisi is very shit, an absolute passenger. There are better players of colour to fill the numbers needed. As Chippo says Pipitjie doesn’t look for work, he’s also a lazy fucker.
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
15 Aug 2022, 12:50
#7
15 Aug 2022, 12:50#7
PSDT needs to switch back to lock.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:06
#8
15 Aug 2022, 13:06#8

You didn't answer my questions, Stupid.

I repeat ... do you have issues with the white talent in the country ... and  ... what does Quota Kolisi bring to the table?

Let me know if I have to dumb the question down a tad for you?


Regarding me posting as Red Rose ... if you were awake you would have noticed that I changed the name to Mrs Searle ... and no I haven't given up posting as her ... I'm just a little tired of logging in as her '... and then logging out to log in as CleanCut ... it's irritating.

I'm sure you understand. 

I'll see how I feel later about posting as her.  

Now in the mean time ... answer my questions, Stupid.



MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:13
#9
15 Aug 2022, 13:13#9
I noticed there’s no Dud in his starting 15, he’s the most awesome 12 the Boks have Eva produced.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:30
#10
15 Aug 2022, 13:30#10
I never answered your question cunt as I don’t bother reading your rugby ignorant posts Believe me there are some contributors on here worth reading you are certainly not one of them
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:31
#11
15 Aug 2022, 13:31#11
MonsterBok you are speaking out your arse - Kolisi is a class act and PSDT certainly does not need to move back to lock
SE
SebPro2,680 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:37
#12
15 Aug 2022, 13:37#12

CC is a strange fish.

Once told me I was a potty mouth when I called someone a pr..k. Now he confesses he indeed is Red Rose ("Mrs Searle")...the biggest potty mouth of all.

But I don't think his argument of quotas is racist at all, fair selections should be based on merit alone, a comment you also made when Marx was not the starter hooker ...in fact he rates Itoje above Etzebeth, if he indeed is Red Rose

I think his rugby comments are fair although not all of them I agree with.

However I'm still not convinced he is NOT Red Rose...he enjoys throwing red herrings around.

CC appears to be a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde personality.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:39
#13
15 Aug 2022, 13:39#13

Aaaaaaaah ... I see!

The question is clearly too difficult for you.

Not to worry ... I wont push it.

You'll probably conjure imaginary moves for Kolisi like you did for JJ Engelbrecht.


  


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 13:40
#14
15 Aug 2022, 13:40#14

Yes Monster ... I agree ... PSDT is a far better lock than he is a blindside flank.



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:12
#15
15 Aug 2022, 14:12#15
Glad you see it cunt - you are not worth responding to as you seriously know fuck all about rugby Boshoff at 10 I rest my case, not to forget Dylan Smith at prop Fuck me
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 14:13
#16
15 Aug 2022, 14:13#16
MonsterBok you dumb prick - you miss my point If I want the 7 best black players I have to drop de Allende - nothing to do with merit you stupid twit
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:27
#17
15 Aug 2022, 15:27#17
Saffex, I really like PSDT and realize he is short of match fitness, however as long as my arse points to the ground he is NOT a world class blindside. Yes, I know he got world player but he’s just fucken weak dude. Dud is good at one thing, and one thing alone which works pretty well behind breakdown dominance with his advantage line gains and crash balling but FUCK ALL else, and I really mean fuck all else. Kolisi has been of bok quality in the past, but is for the most part an oxygen sucking sack of shit atm, but we all know why he’s there. I can actually live with the team you’ve selected, as nothing is perfect. Owe and you are a rude CUNT.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,230 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:35
#18
15 Aug 2022, 15:35#18

It "appears" to be more than the number of non-white players- it is also about black representation all over the team.
It can't be seen that certain positions are reserved for white people. 

So, the Boks can't have a front row that is all white- especially if two locks are white. The All White 5.

Black people can have over-representation on merit, but they can't have underrepresentation on merit. 

Black Lives Matter, Strategic Transformation Objectives, reverse discrimination etc. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2022, 15:57
#19
15 Aug 2022, 15:57#19

DudToit had one meaningful game for the Boks…theWC final. Stupidly Eddie chose George Ford and Dud was given the task of rushing Ford which worked  like a charm.  

He can’t fetch, his tackling in space is poor. He runs upright and is easily put away eg by Barrett on his intercept….his metres per run is always low. He is a lock.


Dud has one trick which is the pick and go which occasionally works. He needs to go back to lock, but off the bench. Unfortunately as a lock his lineout ball is not secure as we saw again on Saturday when Frizell took his ball.



MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
15 Aug 2022, 16:12
#20
15 Aug 2022, 16:12#20
Moz, PSDT is a pretty weak ball carrier and non existent over the ball, other that that I love the guy.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2022, 16:27
#21
15 Aug 2022, 16:27#21
Well MB I had a problem from the start. I have a reflex negative attitude when one of the anointed appear,  going all the way back to the sixties with Kerneels Cronje who Jannie Englebrecht sorted.
Think of all the names like Goosen, Stepfontein, JJ Englebrecht, the Deysel twins….but none of them were as golden as Dud Toit. Game after game perfectly ordinary things were elevated to accomplishments.
Then when we won the WC and there was no obvious one player our media punted Dud and he became the best player in rugby…the World Player of the Year .
So unfair to his fellow players….but he seems like a nice, modest chap who tries his best. So no condemnation of him really….it’s the hype that annoys me.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 18:34
#22
15 Aug 2022, 18:34#22
Oh what utter horse shit, PSDT was brilliant at blindside and for that reason won player of the year Only a profoundly stupid idiot would believe a poor player would win that accolade He has just returned from a long lay off, was solid against Wales and very good against the AB’s in the first test He is by a country mile the best blindside in the game
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 19:17
#23
15 Aug 2022, 19:17#23

Of course he is, Stupid. 

A superb blindside flank. 

Right up there. 

Easily on the same level as Kolisi, right?

Well I think he is.



TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
15 Aug 2022, 19:27
#24
15 Aug 2022, 19:27#24

Again with the drivel about the starting position.


SA rugby rely on attrition to hide they can not play rugby.

The starting line up changes nothing to that as NZ backstabbed SA rugby by adopting the same attitude as SA rugby.

The early NZ game plan was simple: confiscate the ball and do nothing with it, let SA rugby work to gain the ball back and do something with it.

A cruel method. It worked though.

As NZ refused to play rugby, it pulled the carpet off SA rugby. Attrition could no longer be applied as it is used to.

SA rugby rely on their opponent's willingness to play rugby to make the efforts to play rugby costier.

NZ managed to score through sparks and bursts. It was over.

SA rugby can not play rugby and with an opposite side that refused to expose to attrition, nothing was left.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
15 Aug 2022, 19:29
#25
15 Aug 2022, 19:29#25

Clearly there has to be 7 players of colour in the starting line up - this was evidenced by the Marx/ Dweba debacle


Clear as clear. As shown by the starting line up two weeks ago.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 20:51
#26
15 Aug 2022, 20:51#26
Cunt did I ask you for your rugby opinion? Are you of the opinion that anything you have to say about rugby has any merit A serious question, given you know fuck all about the game and I mean that sincerely, why do you waste your and our time on a rugby message board?
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Aug 2022, 20:54
#27
15 Aug 2022, 20:54#27
The team looks good, but would have Elrigh on the bench for Pieter instead of kwagga.... OZ is going to be hell if we play like we did in 2 test vs AB...R&N has showed absolutely no new input regarding adding more to our Structured Attack and the Correct Team Selections....everything gets banked on this one game plan for little Regard, to all of the other Facets that Rugby offers....so regardless of the team, if these guys don't learn more Rugby skills soon, we will start losing more often.....this problem won't be fixed completely, just by changing Players.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 21:12
#28
15 Aug 2022, 21:12#28
Kwagga brings you something different A mixture of forward and back play - a great impact player Louw would bring you more of the same as the starters
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2022, 21:29
#29
15 Aug 2022, 21:29#29

Dud Toit was not brilliant…almost took us out of the WC by getting trapped on the blindside which resulted in the Welsh try. People often talk about his engine, how he is always there….but nothing happens. How many balls did he try to steal on Saturday…..maybe 8….did he succeed once or  force a penalty. Nope.


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2022, 21:32
#30
15 Aug 2022, 21:32#30

And Kolisi is a sporadic performer. He was completely checked out on Saturday. He also can’t fetch. So neither of your approved flanks can compete for the ball. Nor are they great hardyard runners, nor are they strong open field defenders.

We have two very flawed flanks covered by Marx and Vermeulen on the deck. Hard yards running goes to the robot Dud Allende.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2022, 21:44
#31
15 Aug 2022, 21:44#31
Bullshit PSDT is and always has been a great player, the same applies to Kolisi
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2022, 22:51
#32
15 Aug 2022, 22:51#32

Because you say so…..we were losing the Lions series while Dud was on the park. The moment Duhan splattered him the  Boks started to win. Dud’s Bok record as a starting flank 16 wins and 13 losses…wins including Japan twice, Georgia, Italy, Scotland and the Bargies several times.

Against decent teams the Boks have a significant losing record with Dud at flank. Playing NZ , Oz, Wales, Ireland, England or the Lions we are 9 wins/12 losses with Dud at flank. Coincidence? I don’t think so, but it’s very hard to say Dud at flank is a key to our success.

Think he did better under Harrassmiss….we have 9 wins and 8 losses against top opponents under Harrassmiss when Dud is at flank 

Twelve losses against top opposition….out of 13 in total. The other loss with Dud at flank…you guessed it, Japan at the 2015 WC.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
15 Aug 2022, 23:04
#33
15 Aug 2022, 23:04#33

You keep dreaming, Stupid. 

You know as much about rugby as I do lawn bowls.

In fact I probably know more about lawn bowls than you do rugby.

Your puny little brain isn't capable of spotting talent. 

The mere fact that you genuinely rate Kolisi as something special says it all. 

You just can't help yourself.

I feel sorry for you, Dave. To watch a rugby match and not know what you're looking at is so sad.

You've missed so much over the years.

Rugby is a special, beautiful game but sadly it's not for everyone. 

You should consider following a different sport. Something a little easier for you to grasp. 

Try lawn bowls 



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2022, 14:44
#34
16 Aug 2022, 14:44#34
Not because I say so because he is recognised the world over as a class act An average player will NEVER win world player of the year EVER Therein lies your evidence When we lost PSDT in the Lions series we had the utterly useless Mostert replace him only to be dropped he was so shit so your take on the Lions is utter rubbish
MO
MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
16 Aug 2022, 15:04
#35
16 Aug 2022, 15:04#35
Saff, watch the game again and follow the tall blonde haired dude wearing the green jumper with the number 7 on his back. Now take particular notice of his technique and strength over the ball. He is a lock and not a fuck a flank.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Aug 2022, 15:31
#36
16 Aug 2022, 15:31#36

Funny how the world cup winning team always receives the team of the year award. It wouldn't matter how many times they got thumped that year.

Funny how the player of the year is always picked from the world cup wining team. It wouldn't matter if he had a shocker all season long or whether he was injured most of the season.

Funny how the coach of the year award always goes to the world cup winning team's coach. It doesn't matter whether his win/loss ratio for the year is 0 wins with 12 losses for the year. 

Stupid Dave uses this as proof of the brilliance of PSDT, the Goats and Rassie. 

Hahahahahaaa!!

It's simply to complicated for Stupid Dave to work out.

Is there anyone on here as thick?



DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Aug 2022, 15:32
#37
16 Aug 2022, 15:32#37

Lol @ Monster

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
16 Aug 2022, 15:34
#38
16 Aug 2022, 15:34#38

As I said, Stupid ... rather go cheer for someone playing lawn bowls.

It's far less complicated. 



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2022, 16:46
#39
16 Aug 2022, 16:46#39
MonsterBok it’s not the role of a blindside to work over the ball you ignorant fool. His role is pretty similar to a lock, he is there to provide grunt Using his last test as an example is calculating as he did not have a good test, unlike the first test where he provided plenty of grunt Try learn the basics of the game and the roles of each position - it does help
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2022, 16:47
#40
16 Aug 2022, 16:47#40
Cunt are you saying you know more about the game of rugby than I do?
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