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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
16 Aug 2022, 17:08
#41
16 Aug 2022, 17:08#41
His role is pretty similar to a lock, he is there to provide grunt My point exactly you twat, what grunt does he offer????. Other than the intercept in the last test he rarely sees the advantage line.
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
16 Aug 2022, 17:29
#42
16 Aug 2022, 17:29#42

Moerat?

Not the next best lock in SA rugby, but he makes up the required colour code I guess.

No Elton.

Wow, surprised.

Agree on the issue of getting the base more experience as we have to plan ahead as the regulars are starting to show their age.

But we better start looking for another Captain of colour as Kolisi is more a passenger that a flank or captain.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
16 Aug 2022, 19:22
#43
16 Aug 2022, 19:22#43

But we better start looking for another Captain of colour as Kolisi is more a passenger that a flank or captain.


Should be an easy task considering the huge number of quota players trained in SA.

Already stated many times: SA rugby should send a number of them to the North so they are drilled and trained properly.

The results speak by themselves: from a much smaller pool, rugbys in the north have managed to train quota rugby players.

England even managed to train one world class and already legendary second row forward who will make the EN GOAT.


SA rugby, in the meantime, not even one single quota world class player. In fact, not even one rugby player.


It will be another case of SA rugby panhandling to the North to make it.


Nothing new under the SA rugby sun.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2022, 21:06
#44
16 Aug 2022, 21:06#44
MonsterBok you are seriously fucking rugby ignorant Here is a little lesson for you His carries per metre in contact are on par with Etzebeth = grunt you dumb twat The Boks have a dominant scrum - he packs behind the tighthead = grunt you dumb twat His clear outs are physical = grunt you dumb twat His big hits in the first test were the catalyst in disrupting the AB’s = grunt you dumb twat PSDT is the best blindside in the game - the very reason he won World player of the year He did not win that beating defenders or making clean breaks - he did that as he was the go to man carrying the ball up for the Boks - he did it so well that he was rewarded for it with that award But you are too fucking stupid to see this along with a few others on here
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
16 Aug 2022, 22:02
#45
16 Aug 2022, 22:02#45

Trad unfortunately it appears that you are not sure of the role of a Captain.

A captain is selected on his ability to lead, read a game, drawing the best out of the team, leading by example on the field and speaking to the ref when you want clarification on a call he has made.

Not stand around with your hands on your hips and let a lock talk to the ref.

After all that the point of playing sport is to WIN.

So winning is also an important part attached to the honour of being a CAPTAIN.

Bottom line is LEADER's are born with the skill to lead which comes naturally, you cannot learn it.

Irrespective of your colour.

 




BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
16 Aug 2022, 22:37
#46
16 Aug 2022, 22:37#46

Problems with player selection are already mentioned in this thread.

My issue with the Boks are coaching, namely the skill o the head coach, Nienaber with his assistant coach dear old Stick as backline coach. 

Nienaber has the following track record since 2020. Nothing to get excited about: 

 Galthie 76% (19 wins/25 games)

Farrell 74% (20/27)

Jones 67% (19/28) Foster 65% (17/26) Nienaber 61% (11/18) Cheika 60% (3)5) Townsend 53% (14/26) Pivac 41% (12/29) Rennie 40% (20/25) Crowley 36% (4/11)
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
16 Aug 2022, 22:39
#47
16 Aug 2022, 22:39#47


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Aug 2022, 22:48
#48
16 Aug 2022, 22:48#48
Neinaber is no head coach He worked well as Rassie’s assistant
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
17 Aug 2022, 19:29
#49
17 Aug 2022, 19:29#49

Trad unfortunately it appears that you are not sure of the role of a Captain.

So nothing in store.

And.

Considering the impressively large number of quota players trained and drilled in SA, most of them of world class standards, it should easy to find a player to captain the team.

EN has currently a quota captain and he sports an english name.

So SA, that powerhouse in training and drilling players should be able to find more than one candidate.


SA rugby should also be able to find a candidate among the white SA players who sports an african last name. And are fluent in the majorities' languages.

Would do the trick too.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
18 Aug 2022, 12:15
#50
18 Aug 2022, 12:15#50

No need for the bomb squad. In Baas Rassies own words. It could only work if you have a player like Frans Steyn on the bench. Also take note that in the World Cup the entire tight 5 were replaced. For the lions series, starting a front row of Ox, Bongi, Nyaken worked for quotas but they did a solid job for 40 min. 

However, we had so many close shaves with one of our backline players getting injured early. Alarm bells must have gone off loud and clear at this stage. 

I would adjust the game plan and try keep my best players on as long as possible and manage the game better. Ball in hand, good tactical kicks and not just up and unders can keep pressure on. But we seem to get lost when we have the ball for more than 8 phases. 

But, we have given the opposition an early lead with this tactic. We saw in the URC finals that Kitshoff can play for 70 od minutes and still be very effective. 

This empty the tank is nonsense, especially when a smart team can move the big forward arounds and knowing that they haven't got the match fitness to last past 30 or 40 min. 

Even thought Marx won the man of the match award the week before. He was gassed at 55 min. Had he had more starting roles and played for longer, he could play a whole game. 

But nothing will change anytime soon, we got 3 very old players going to Aus. 

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
18 Aug 2022, 13:10
#51
18 Aug 2022, 13:10#51

Oh no, the empty tank is not nonsense. It is the heart of what SA rugby try to establish: working so that the other team depletes their  tank before SA rugby's tank.

Ball in hand, good tactical kicks and not just up and unders can keep pressure on.

All that requires to try and play rugby is nonsense from SA rugby's perspective. As playing rugby contributes to emptying the tank. On the other hand, giving up on playing rugby while the other team is committed to play rugby, consuming in the process gas is no nonsense. It is what has been applied by SA rugby from years now.

Again, that is a major difference from IR: three times in a row, the IR squad consumed energy from the very start to acquire a lead by scoring a try. It requires to be able to play rugby consistently and efficiently. And be able to commit oneselves knowing that the run has only been started. A failure to score the try could have jeopardized an entire game.


Nope, the empty tank is core to SA rugby. As is giving up on playing rugby in order to ensure that the other team hits depletion first.

Running balls in hands consumes gas and moreover it exposes to be targeted by the very same attritional approach as SA rugby uses.

That is the backlash: when one drops a habit that is detrimental to another, very often, the other takes advantage by adopting the habit...

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