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Moz in your opinion

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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Jan 2024, 20:37
#1
29 Jan 2024, 20:37#1
Is Jake a better coach than Rassie?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 03:23
#2
30 Jan 2024, 03:23#2

Yes, didn’t I make that clear?

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Jan 2024, 08:16
#3
30 Jan 2024, 08:16#3

Hahahahahaha hilarious nonsense from poor Mozzie! 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2024, 10:58
#4
30 Jan 2024, 10:58#4

Mozart

You have no proof of that one.   White was told he would be fired by the S gh arks af ter his stinti in 2024 because of deficiencies in his coaching - Erasmus never was - he in fac t in the case of Munster was rewarded as the coach of the year in 2017.

You must be kidding yourself    The 2007 WC campaign had all the deficiencies you ascribe to Erasmus and his backline coaching was helped along by Eddie Jones - but White ignored him and tjhe final was a real BS match to watch.    

Also the Springboks never had to play a match against any side ranked higher than  the Springboks and they were lucky to have the easiest rout ever to any WC final.    

If their ever was an international coach with near zero knowledge of backline play it was White.    In that regard he was anytime as weak as Meyer was.    The Boks uinder White was oor in 2006 and in the Rugby Championship that year.    

White proved that he is a average club coach  and a nonentity as a Springbok Coach.   

Your prejudice is really sickening, but it goes hand in hand with your lack of rugby knowledge.               

  

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
30 Jan 2024, 12:46
#5
30 Jan 2024, 12:46#5
White ended his period as Bok coach on 67% win percentage…..Rassie used to be on 63% and now he moved up to 69% win Percentage after WC win according to SA Rugby Mag….so only 2% higher than white, after 5 years at the helm…I thought it would be higher, considering the back to back WC Victories.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 13:34
#6
30 Jan 2024, 13:34#6
LOL I got the impression you thought it but did not think you were stupid enough to say it It’s like saying Jessie Kriel is a better 13 than Danie Gerber I forgive your stupidity on this occasion Moz Big hugs :)
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 13:46
#7
30 Jan 2024, 13:46#7

Exclude the WC years and Eluckmiss is 23wins/17 losses. A win ratio of 57%. Abysmal!

WC years always give a higher win rate because you play at least 4 games against teams you would never lose to and don’t play in normal years.

So exclude Erasmus’ least favorable WC year 2023, to balance Jake’s one WC year,  and his win ratio drops to 65%, less than Jake.

Hugs!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2024, 14:20
#8
30 Jan 2024, 14:20#8

Obviously excluding  the  WC is just opposite to what Mozart said about the  Majors in tennis.    In his normal idiotic way there are no other tennis tournaments that count for anything, while here is saying the WC should be excluded and do not count for anything  in his normal twisted mindset..   LMA O       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 15:01
#9
30 Jan 2024, 15:01#9
Oh what a load of utter insulting fucking bullshit Since when does a coaches record ever exclude certain periods - what a fucking joke The only time a coach merits having periods excluded is when he is not physically with the team which is exactly the case with Rassie Take out the tests when Rassie was banned and not physically with the team and his true percentage is the next best after Kitch Jake is not fit enough to tie Rassie’s bootlaces as a coach It’s not even close - Kriel vs Gerber
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 15:08
#10
30 Jan 2024, 15:08#10

Woooooooosh!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Jan 2024, 18:00
#11
30 Jan 2024, 18:00#11

LM A O  Mozart manage to get more idiotic by the minutes.    .   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 18:08
#12
30 Jan 2024, 18:08#12
No wooooosh at all. WC’s for a start especially the last one was far harder than any other won by any side ever There is far more credibility in winning WC games than any standard test matches If a poll was taken the world over as to who was the better coach of the two I reckon Rassie would win it by 99% As I said it’s not even close
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 20:58
#13
30 Jan 2024, 20:58#13

Not really. The old TN where you needed a winning record against both AB and Oz teams, when they were both great….was a far harder ask. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 21:32
#14
30 Jan 2024, 21:32#14
Bullshit the current WC victory route was far harder than any RC The notion that the AB sides were better then is a load of rubbish Difference is the standard of the game across the board has improved so much and has become so much harder to consistently out perform other sides that one side will never dominate the game again like the AB’s did. Had politics not played it’s part I doubt the AB’s would have had the run they did But the playing fields are so level now that winning anything is that much more challenging and our WC victory under Rassie is therefore an amazing achievement It’s fucking special in fact but more to the point, a poll out there would give Rassie a 99% vote over average Jake
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 21:39
#15
30 Jan 2024, 21:39#15
So all the sides are about the same and we kicked better and played with a red card advantage…yippee!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 21:47
#16
30 Jan 2024, 21:47#16
The sides are a similar strength but Rassie has the ability to instil a belief and resolve that extends beyond anything else we have seen. We did it without a hooker for 68 min and 14 men for 20 min making that victory that more special
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Jan 2024, 22:11
#17
30 Jan 2024, 22:11#17

Which was also his fault.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Jan 2024, 22:48
#18
30 Jan 2024, 22:48#18
That’s what you and I think but that’s what makes Rassie so special You and I would have had a specialist hooker on the bench he chose to go with Fourie believing that his all round contribution would outweigh his structured playing liabilities and he was right we won
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2024, 00:08
#19
31 Jan 2024, 00:08#19

So Fourie was not an offsetting handicap.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2024, 00:39
#20
31 Jan 2024, 00:39#20
He was in terms of being able to press home the numerical advantage in the set pieces which I’m guessing would have happened had we had a specialist hooker on board and potentially this might have lead to an easier win. But we will never know and nor should we care as we won the WC despite Fourie’s set piece frailties as his all round contributions added to our victory
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2024, 03:03
#21
31 Jan 2024, 03:03#21

If he was frail, it was because of Eluckmiss’ insistence on not having a back up hooker….while keeping 4 scrum halves. Now that’s genius.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jan 2024, 05:31
#22
31 Jan 2024, 05:31#22

Well it just gets more absurd by the day. Now the boards buffoon is saying you should to be realistic and exclude Rassie's RWC win when calculating Rassie's win percentage

 Bwhahahahhahahahahahahahaha hilarious stuff from poor Mozzzie. 

I hope Plum is seeing how unhinged the loon is and how desperate he is to diminish the Bok RWC win. Mozzzie is in a rut and cant get out. Y ears and years of Rassie bashing have come home to bite in a monumental way. But the loon keeps digging.

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2024, 06:30
#23
31 Jan 2024, 06:30#23

Mozart

White had some real distinctions i.n his coaching  of the Springboks - a record loss against the Aussies is just one of those.   He is and was totally clueless about backline selections and performances.

He brought Eddie Jones on board for the 2007 WC - because his team selection of backline players were so absurd that nobody could do anything  about backline play and they were clueless on that score by 2007.   Jones told he Springboks about backline play and they openly admitted they were never coached  anything relating  to backline play by White.   In the run-up to the quarterfinals Jones had some impact on the issue,    A comment by John Smith was clear - after the final he said that if the  English corner try was allowed, the Springboks somehow will have to try and find a way to score a try themselves - in other words there never was a plan by White to use the backline for attacking play of  the Springboks to score tries themselves.   

In 2015 Mozart was asked what the role was of flyhalfs in the game and he said 90% of the function is to kick balls - in other words there was never any emphasis by White r  on backline usage.    Backline attacking play was just not  considered by White a all.      That was exactly the reason for his effective firing by the Sharks in 2014.   Last year the same tendency was shown by White..   

 Now Mozart is trying  to accuse Erasmus of things he praised White and Meyer for doing.   It is getting  absurd beyond words.

    

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BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Jan 2024, 08:18
#24
31 Jan 2024, 08:18#24

What is alarming is the consistency of the absurdities! 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2024, 10:04
#25
31 Jan 2024, 10:04#25
Yes genius enough to win two consecutive WC’s - something no coach has ever achieved And to think the last one had to be achieved by beating France, England and NZ That is fucking genius and pretty damn special Moz suck up your sour bullshit and enjoy the victory and be honest with yourself for once - Rassie is one special coach the best the Boks have ever had
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2024, 15:28
#26
31 Jan 2024, 15:28#26
So is a 57% success ratio in non WC years satisfactory. A simple yes or no will do nicely.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2024, 16:54
#27
31 Jan 2024, 16:54#27
Mozart
Will you never learn about anything by putting BS on site.   So let me ask you five pertinent questions -
Why did White breach his contract  with the Brumbies at the end of 2013? 
Why was White told to resign or he will be fired by the Sharks at the end of 2014?
Why did Montpellier nor renew their 2 year contact with White at the end of 2016?
If  white was such a good coach would that have happened? 
Why did SARU refuse to even consider White  as coach after 2007 if he was such a wonderful coach ? 
It also happened that 2006 was a disastrous year for the contract and there was some ag itation by the Bulls to have White replaced by Meyer..              
    .   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2024, 16:57
#28
31 Jan 2024, 16:57#28

A simple yes or no will do nicely.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2024, 17:02
#29
31 Jan 2024, 17:02#29

Your question represents meaningless BS  and not worthy of an answer.   Why don't you answer my questions - idiotspeaker? .   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2024, 20:20
#30
31 Jan 2024, 20:20#30
When I judge Rassie it only includes the games he was physically present - no coach can influence a side in terms of motivation or tactfullly on match day when he is not physically present And why the fuck would I be interested in his record in non WC years. His record is as a whole from the start to his ban and then again from after his ban to now and that record is brilliant
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
31 Jan 2024, 21:33
#31
31 Jan 2024, 21:33#31
Some people are happy with 57% And others aren’t….it doesn’t mean to say that they are “ idiotspeakers “ …..it should be constant right thru the international Test season,…those non World Cup Test is just as important in building a ultimate Winning Culture and Self believe…a Dominant force like the AB used to be….Win percentage should be in the vicinity of 75% to 80% and I know we can do it with our talent pool of inform players…with Brown hopefully joining, we can add more to our attack play ….Rassie clearly feels the same way.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Jan 2024, 21:37
#32
31 Jan 2024, 21:37#32

Hmmmmmm okay. 

In 2021 he missed the away RC against NZ and Oz….we were 1 and 3. 

Then he missed the England game on the YE tour. Which we lost. So 0 and 1.

Then he missed all the games in 2022 up to September 20. We were 6 and 3

Then he missed the year end tour final two games against Italy and England, which we won. So 2 and 0.

In aggregate when Eluckmiss wasn’t there we were 9 wins/7 losses. Win percentage 56.25% Almost exactly the same percentage as when Eluckmiss was there.

Eliminate those games from Eluckmiss’s non WC years and you have 14 wins and 10 losses. When  the great poobah was present, even on the field as water boy, we averaged a 58.3% win ratio in the harder non WC years.

Schplottttsky. Obviously you thought we were much worse without the fat man….that turns out to be, to use Clever’s  term, idiotspeak.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Jan 2024, 23:13
#33
31 Jan 2024, 23:13#33
Oh what utter shit Rassie’s overall record percentage is around 70% when he was physically present
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Jan 2024, 23:27
#34
31 Jan 2024, 23:27#34

Mozart was told by both   Dave and  me that his idea to dismiss the WC matches from his percentages is total BS  - but he  keeps on with that. BS.      One should never try and discuss facts with a prejudiced rugby idiot. 

Just a question to you Mozart.   You claimed that the only matches worth anything are the majors - but here you exclude the test matches in WC  matches    So you seem  to think you can decide w hat matches should be excluded and not so as to work out your B S percentages.     Don't you bym now realize whatn a fool you are making  of yourself. in both cases.       .      


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2024, 00:23
#35
01 Feb 2024, 00:23#35
Yeah let’s just exclude the most significant matches in a coaches career That makes sooooo much sense
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 02:15
#36
01 Feb 2024, 02:15#36

So my original point was Eluckmiss has done poorly in non WC years when a more attacking game seems to prevail. You Saffex countered with the fact that his record was much better in games he was present.

I crush your counter argument, taking down the detritus ironically called Clevermike in the same response. And you then, having been utterly exposed as a bullshitter come up with a bleat about excluding the WCs which was the  whole argument being made…Eluckmiss has an average win ratio, a.strong record in WC years, and  abysmal record in other years.

Why don’t you just admit total defeat and take the Russia bot with you.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Feb 2024, 06:24
#37
01 Feb 2024, 06:24#37

You crushed nothing by promoting prejudiced idiocy.      

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2024, 09:10
#38
01 Feb 2024, 09:10#38
Moz we are not stupid enough to compartmentalise a coaches record it’s of no merit or consequence it’s just your pathetic attempt to discredit the best coach we have ever had Your self proclaimed victory is a joke. Here are the facts - when judging a coach one looks at their overall record, one that includes physical presence. Rassie’s overall win percentage is around the 70% mark which is up there with the best - the fact that he has won two consecutive WC’s in the process makes him the best The man is a brilliant coach, the best SA has ever had
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Feb 2024, 14:34
#39
01 Feb 2024, 14:34#39

As I proved, his physical presence makes no difference. Stop trying to make that discredited argument.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Feb 2024, 17:33
#40
01 Feb 2024, 17:33#40
It does make a difference - Rassie’s overall record is better than Neinaber’s when he did not have Rassie by his side
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