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Mozart's hero's performance for Stade Francais

Started by clevermike21 REPLIES366 VIEWS· 12 Dec 2014, 10:54
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 10:54
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12 Dec 2014, 10:54#1

The following is the stats for Steyn - who at last got a chance to start for Stade Francais in a at home  game against Newcastle F alcons - please note this is a second level game in the European Club competition scenario:-



Steyn0/167/27/93000034/10/000/0

 

Morne did carry the ball in some cases - but never beat a single defendent.   However, he also contributed to a try being scored and from that perspective it was a huge iprovement on his standard playing style.  He converted three kicks at goal after tries were awarded. 


On the negative side he was not able to beat a single defender and  - according to a report by a perso who saw the game - his kicking  was grossly inaccurate resuting in three possession losses - while his defense showed a slight immprovement on his lastest game for the Springboks - his missed tackle ratio was down to 20%.


Bearing in mind the level of the game played -he showed some improveent on lower level - but it certainly is not enough to warrant a place in the Springbok team.


On the othr hand Goosen played on the top level club competition for Racing Metro in an away game and although not a particularly strong game - his stats showed a player above Morne in class:-


Goosen0/0148/7/41101125/20/020/0


His kicking game was more accurrate than Morne's and he did show more in running with the ball - beating a defender and off-loading a ball.   His goal kikcing was more accurate - but his defence was worse than it normally is.   I also do not like the idea of giving away penalties - but that isoften the resultof non=protection of the tackled ball by teammates.


I wouldsay a better performance on higher level away from home - than Morne's at hpome on lower level.


 

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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
12 Dec 2014, 10:59
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12 Dec 2014, 10:59#2

I watched the game, he got charged down in his 22 trying a chip kick and Newcastle scored a try from it, he also missed 3 of his first four kicks at goal.


He made one smart pass in the first half when they had an overlap.


His restarts were poor as well as his tactical kicking


 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 11:07
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12 Dec 2014, 11:07#3
 Thanks for the info BB -   charge down kicks is a normal with Morne - remember the Argenina test in Pretoria where it happned as well.
High miss ratio on goal kicking a negative as well.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Dec 2014, 11:41
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12 Dec 2014, 11:41#4

Mike maybe you should refrain from commenting on matches based on stats alone......its pretty short sighted.

 

Like your take on Swiels match.........where in fact he had some nice touches, nothing earth shattering but certainly not as average as you made out to be based on stats alone.

 

But saying that, Swiel has not yet fulfilled the potential he showed at school and U20 level. Whether he does, time will tell.......he needs more exposure and a hard edge if he is going to make it.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 13:58
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12 Dec 2014, 13:58#5
ave 
I was just taunting Mozart and Ceradunce in this case.   However  BB saw th match and what i wrote came basically from his earlier comments.     
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The_TruthClub Pro471 posts
12 Dec 2014, 13:58
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12 Dec 2014, 13:58#6
Hmmm... I see you also did not post this. From his previous match as starter 6 days ago already... With a 100% kicking stat for that match.

FH Steyn 0/1 13 17/24/11 39 1 1 1 1 7/1 0/0 1 0/0
But let's just look at your comparison.

Goosen is better than Steyn because he made 2.75m per run, whereas Steyn only made 3.33m per run?

Goosen is better than Steyn, because he made a whopping 11m ball in hand, while Steyn made a measly 30m?

Goosen is better than Steyn, because he only missed 28% of his tackles, whereas Steyn missed a totally unacceptable 20%?

Goosen is better than Steyn because he had a brilliant zero try assists, whereas Steyn had one pathetic try assist (in fact in both of his matches)?

Goosen is better than Steyn because he made an unbelievable 7 passes, where Steyn made meagre 27? (This is in fact a truly amazing stat, specifically as one other poster put it in a different thread, because they "avoided passing the ball to Steyn".)

Goosen is better than Steyn because he conceded a brilliant 2 penalties,while Steyn pathetically conceded zero?

Goosen is better than Steyn, because Goosen's team scored a world beating 1 try, while Steyn's team only scored 5?

Listen to Saffex! If you want to talk bull, then rather ignore the stats and rely on personal and biased observations to form your opinions. That way no-one can check it up!


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 14:07
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12 Dec 2014, 14:07#7
 The Trooth Fairy
Can't you read - Steyn playe on seconcd dvision level - Goosen played on firstdividion level - huge change in circumstances.  If Steyn played on first Division level - what then?  
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
12 Dec 2014, 14:32
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12 Dec 2014, 14:32#8
Watching the Racing game against the Ospreys Goosen was the stand out performer, his kicking was impeccable, playing the territorial game superbly. He's definitely better than Lambie and Steyn overall and I would say he's on par if not better than Pollard.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 Dec 2014, 15:25
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12 Dec 2014, 15:25#9
 Now wait a minute......


"On the othr hand Goosen played on the top level club competition for Racing Metro......"


Not too long ago we were told that the stats from these club games were worthless because it is club rugby which is not even close to CC level...
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 15:33
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12 Dec 2014, 15:33#10
 Ceradunce  old  Ceradunce
Nobody said those stats were not applicable - what I always said you have to watch out and not confuse the level on which teams played.  
The dunce has woken up after a longish absence.   I know if I wrie omething about his beloved Morne - there will be an inevitable reaction.    So back he is without any imrprovement in his level of p erception.       
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
12 Dec 2014, 15:45
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12 Dec 2014, 15:45#11
 Hahaha. Ducking and diving again.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2014, 17:52
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12 Dec 2014, 17:52#12
Thanks for that chaps, I don't get these games so it's good to know our senior flyhalf Morne   is creating tries and winning matches. 
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biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
12 Dec 2014, 18:03
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12 Dec 2014, 18:03#13
:lol:  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Dec 2014, 19:24
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12 Dec 2014, 19:24#14
Stop exaggerating Biltong you dry old stick....you haven't emerged from your slough of despond long enough to laugh out loud. Admit it, it's been years.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Dec 2014, 21:34
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12 Dec 2014, 21:34#15
 Ouch again.   The BS spread on this site is incerdible and Mozart is really a poor judge of performances.   
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Dec 2014, 19:14
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13 Dec 2014, 19:14#16
 Oops wrong thread. Will fix later sorry.
Chezza, that may be true, but not necessarily. Habana made the transition from 9 to 13 to wing. Kolbe is a bit too short for the back 3. He struggles a bit to compete for the high ball. Its not only his length, his build makes it difficult for him to jump high. It might be exploited in the S15. It might be worthwhile to have a look at him at 9. No harm can come of it.
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
13 Dec 2014, 19:33
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13 Dec 2014, 19:33#17
attack poor old Mosquito...he is just a nice guy and has his points but dear ol' Moz like Mike is getting old...they are both my favourite posters besides Cloudy who wins the race by at least by 4 lengths and Dr Win who is a gentleman of note ...any way Morne Steyn is history and any level-headed rugby fan no matter how much they bleat his praises must bow out like a true gentleman...I was having a tiple this afternoon with an ex Natal player...his name was Andre...he played in 1982 I didn't know him or recognise him ...such a long time ago...we spoke about the old Days...Craig Jamieson, Kevin Putt, Steve Atherton etc and discussed Patrick Lambie...his opi nion which agrees with mine is that PL is without any shadow of doubt the 10 for the future with Handre Pollard as the new takeover and reserve for the WC.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:33
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13 Dec 2014, 22:33#18
 Those aren't the old days Chabal.....Dawie de Villiers, John  Gainsford, Jannie Engelbrecht and Doug  Hopwood......those were the old days.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:34
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13 Dec 2014, 22:34#19
FFS OOM that avatar looks like the kid is about 11 years old....can't you find something a bit more manly.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:42
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13 Dec 2014, 22:42#20
 Moz that's Kyle Brown from the Bl itzbokke
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Dec 2014, 22:47
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13 Dec 2014, 22:47#21
I stand corrected, he looks just like Steph.  
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
13 Dec 2014, 23:16
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13 Dec 2014, 23:16#22
 I will be very surprised if Morne is not part of the RWC squad.
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