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Mozart - why do you lie about what happened on the field of play?

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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:23
#41
02 Oct 2014, 16:23#41

"Stepfontein and Ashley Cooper are two feet apart. Ashley Cooper sees the opportunity and accelerates opening a 3 metre gap while Steppie lopes along. Then Steppie gets it and accelerates, but AC continues to open up the gap. In spite of slowing to take the pass AC continues to maintain and further widen  the gap." 

 

 

So I described it totally accurately as per Pakie who is a professional  expert on kinetic incidents.

 

 

I also said this on another string:

 

RE: Is Steppie any faster than Meisiekind?
October 01, 2014, 14:58:13

Well Truth I completely agree with your second  point. Every inside centre in RSA steps inside....which given the body angles means almost all offloads go inside.


As for Steppie...go back further in the clip, you will see he literally changes his line to avoid bumping into AC. They were dead even...so there are only two choices, he reacted slowly or he got gassed. I think it's a bit of both.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:36
#42
02 Oct 2014, 16:36#42
Geez Moffie you are dumb......go read my take on the facts and catch a wake up......yours is just a load of prejudicial shit  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:39
#43
02 Oct 2014, 16:39#43

So what to make of all this. No commentator, or match analyst picked up this incident. They write their stuff and repair to a pub. If this was the NFL it would have been spotted and fully analysed. It's one of the things we can do on this site and in Pakie we have a poster who is an expert in breaking things down.

 

Frame by frame analysis sometimes misses the context. For example the claim that Step was moving in the opposite direction....Pakie refuted that. It was a fair question, but not relevant as it turns out.

 

So why has this stuff always generated so much animus, so much clinging to igno rance, when instead we could all be more informed. It beats me.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:46
#44
02 Oct 2014, 16:46#44
 Mozart
You misrepresented the whole episode and that is a fact,  Your misrepresentations on incidents of players you dislike is nototrious and that was the case here as well.   I tried to soften the impact what i said - but your insistence on misrepresentation is a joke.    Go back tpo what you wrote orifginally - which resulte in this thread.   
Serfontein and Ashley-Cooper was running shoulder to shoulder - was a false representation of what actually happened.   You now ran back to the still photos of Pakie to claim that you were correct - but what you and everyone else saw was definitely a diffrent angle - when you started your initial false statement.  Anyway the photos also indicated that there was no sghoulder-to-shulder running anywhere before or after Ashley-Cooper got the ball.   So BS in capital letters anyway.   You made a false statement and now ran to Pakie's photos and a completely different story from what it originally was to try and justify yourself.   Youare  B#llsh!tter in captial letters - you know.  
This certainly is not the foirst time that your interpretation of what happened on the fieldof play has not been false - and it won't be the last time.  
           
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:51
#45
02 Oct 2014, 16:51#45
I guess one can't  educate the truly stupid.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:54
#46
02 Oct 2014, 16:54#46
 I guess one cannot e ducate the basically dishonest
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2014, 16:56
#47
02 Oct 2014, 16:56#47
Moffie given your obvious prejudice against Serfontein, do you really expect us to take your crap seriously......are you that thick?  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2014, 17:00
#48
02 Oct 2014, 17:00#48
No and I dont expect you to take the facts clearly shown in this case seriously either Vetsak. Off to golf, that should give you some time to regroup....consult with becs. Hell consult with RooiAAS, Clevermike and Cheezer. I'm sure you will find an angle.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Oct 2014, 17:08
#49
02 Oct 2014, 17:08#49

You still out driving the young pros........bwhaaahaaaaaa.......another Moffie lie

 

Imagine taking your shit about a player you bash on a weekly basis as facts..........geez you are so dumb it defies logic. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Oct 2014, 23:46
#50
02 Oct 2014, 23:46#50
Played with two pros and an amateur. Sadly shot 80 with five three putts....the greens were reading 12 plus on the stimpmeter . And had the longest drive on three holes. Those are the facts Vetsak.
As for Steppie he should feel embarrassed by that try. We should be able to expect A Bok centre to keep up with another centre/ wing he was running right beside. And the fact that you can't see or admit that is the real bias on this string. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:06
#51
03 Oct 2014, 00:06#51
 Yeah I am sure they are facts old man.
As for Serfontein well your take is a load of shit. How on earth you can compare a player from stationery position versus one already in stride is insulting. It's your childish prejudice talking having stuff all to do with reality.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:11
#52
03 Oct 2014, 00:11#52
But Serf is not, at any stage, in a stationary position. As I told you further up, he and AC were moving forward at about the same pace before the sprint started. But anyway, I'm done with this issue, all my thoughts are up there. Those who don't want to get it, won't get it.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:11
#53
03 Oct 2014, 00:11#53
As Pakie clearly showed he was never stationary, he was running back towards the Bok line at the same speed as AC, until AC sensed the Kuridrani break and cracked on the pace. Steppe should have stayed with him....he reacted too slowly and he couldn't make up any ground even though AC was carrying the ball and had to position himself to take a pass.
What's insulting is your complete dishonesty Vetsak.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:18
#54
03 Oct 2014, 00:18#54
 "he reacted too slowly and he couldn't make up any ground even though AC was carrying the ball and had to position himself to take a pass".
My thoughts exactly Moz . I would back AC to shade Jan in a 80 metre sprint. Beeno has spoken. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:20
#55
03 Oct 2014, 00:20#55
Oh what utter shit look at the bloody photo. It is clear Jan is not in stride when clearly AC is. Fuck it's obvious - are you blind.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:27
#56
03 Oct 2014, 00:27#56
 Beeno: are you bowing down to the ABs again?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Oct 2014, 00:48
#57
03 Oct 2014, 00:48#57
 Hi there JW - just giving some guidance to the half wit snapster who right now is frothing at the mouth and raving like a rooitwit! 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Oct 2014, 01:22
#58
03 Oct 2014, 01:22#58
 Beenkop you are not worth feeding 
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
03 Oct 2014, 02:50
#59
03 Oct 2014, 02:50#59
 Changed your story now haven't you Mozart, typical Weasel.

"Jeez Mike you reallly are stupid. Let me try again....Kuridrani breaks ....AC and Steppie set off after him. AC gasses Steppie by three metres by the time he takes the pass....he then adds to his lead. Can I be any plainer"

To
"he reacted too slowly and he couldn't make up any ground even though AC was carrying the ball and had to position himself to take a pass."

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2014, 03:15
#60
03 Oct 2014, 03:15#60
 Maybe one day you will succeed in embarrassing me young Cheezer. But this is not that day. He "reacted too slowly" and was "gassed by three metres" are totally consistent.  Being gassed by three metres is an undeniable fact...reacting too slowly is a kind interpretation of why he was gassed. Personally  as I said elsewhere I think the problem came about because of slow reactions, poor acceleration and top below that of AC.

Now run away sonny boy. But do take this away from the debate ...if Serf could simply have stuck to AC through a phase where he had to take the pass, there would have been no try. We have to expect that of a Bok centre.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2014, 10:16
#61
03 Oct 2014, 10:16#61
 Mozart
You changed your story and no more "shoulder-to-shoulder" BS.  Wat you produced now is equally dishonest - it is based on still-photos you never saw beforehand and now suddenly there is a new angle to justify things you have been stating before seeing th phoos.   Those photos does not reflect the situation - since it does not reflect motion and is at best questionable.   There is a computerprogrmme that can take still photos to the next step - where some motion is indicated - but it is doubtful whether Pakie would be able to make use of it in this case.
However, your comments on performances of players are slanted by your likes and diskikes of players - not by factual information.    No wonder there are people that do not belive a word you write about incidents on the field of play - and the Serfontein issue is just one of virtually every story you write about player performances.      
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2014, 18:57
#62
03 Oct 2014, 18:57#62
Sour grapes..the incident was exactly as I described.  
SH
ShezzaPro2,471 posts
03 Oct 2014, 22:33
#63
03 Oct 2014, 22:33#63
 Nope they are completely different and you saying so doesn't change it. I'm ending it at that as it's useless debating with you. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Oct 2014, 23:13
#64
03 Oct 2014, 23:13#64
You are ending it at that because you cant debate with me....simply not enough horse power.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Oct 2014, 23:45
#65
03 Oct 2014, 23:45#65
Balls Mozart
Your initial description was tripe and that remains as tripe and an invention that was false,    
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2014, 00:06
#66
04 Oct 2014, 00:06#66

Actually no what was tripe was the headline you put up. And then you said this:

 

 

"In the interest of less animosity on the Board - i witdraw the staement that Mozart was a liar - and just state that he misrprepresented the factual information pertaining to the  incident in question  in an effort to discredit Serfontein."   

 

 

In the interest of less animosity you withdraw the claim that I am a liar?  But your lousy headline still stands? You are one confused puppy.

 

 

There isn't one thing I said about this incident that was even slightly misleading. But some posters like you, Vetsak and Cheezer aren't big enough to admit it. You are so anxious for me to be wrong, that you can't even admit the obvious.....Serfontein was in a perfect position to prevent that try if he had only reacted quickly and had the pace.

 

 

You are a disgrace to this Board of posters OOmpie.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2014, 01:36
#67
04 Oct 2014, 01:36#67
 Mozart
The headline was based on your initial story about the incident and was in all respects correct.   The whole description was an outright falsehood and what you said did not deal with the prevention of the try - it dealt with his pace.   There was no way that Serfontein could have prevented that try - and if you were in any way a realistic person you would not come up with the latest tripe.   
You are the disgrace with your constant false descriptions of what happened on the field of play.    The outright distortions are constantly wrong - it is false in the case of players you like - where you cover up their deficiencies - and false in the case of players you dislike - where you distorted things beyond imagination.  The day when you make a fair and objective assessment about what really happen on the field of play - that day your disgracful image will start t o improve.     
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2014, 02:51
#68
04 Oct 2014, 02:51#68
What like your fair and objective " assessment" of Adi Jacobs when he wasn't even playing?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2014, 06:42
#69
04 Oct 2014, 06:42#69
 Mozart
I admitted I was wrong in that cse - you insisted you were right here, which you obviously was not.    The differenceis that whn I make a mistake I admit it - when you write BS you try and justify it by slithering snakelike and changing your story- butstill pretending you are right.   
That is why discussions with you are futile.   Facts do not count with you at all.   
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Oct 2014, 07:17
#70
04 Oct 2014, 07:17#70
This is remarkable. You are comparing two incidents . One where I correctly pointed out Serfontein was shoulder to shoulder with AC...failed to maintain contact...and ultimately a try was scored. Every point I made was verified, more or less, by Pakie through an independent analysis.

Against this we have an incident when you belligerently told me Jacobs was terrible in a test...in which he wasn't even playing.
And you want to draw a parallel between the two incidents.are you totally barking mad?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2014, 09:35
#71
04 Oct 2014, 09:35#71
 Look Mozart
Stop your BS.  Serfontein was never "shoulder-to shoulder" with Ashley-Cooper - and the rest is BS as well.   I told you that still photos lacks motion and you cannot correctly deduice from that what happened.   The first photo clearly showed that Ashley-Cooper was in motion and Serfontein just turned around and was not running as yet.   If you are too stupid to see that - you are a low lifei diot.   Secondly - you did not have Pakie's photos when you made the above statement and from the video you were talking KAK - you could not deduce that.   Your second and third versions were different from your first version - so you were adjusting your versions as you go along.  Now you are back to your first version again.
What I do understand is that according to you none of the players you favour ever does anything wrong - and players you do not facour gets hammered - often enough totally falsely.  You can manufactture more lies than anyone else can imagine.   You have also fabricated stories about Malherbe, Reinach,  Jordaan, Labuschagne, Taute, etc and wrote praisesongs about De Jongh, Bakkies Botha, Gurthro Steenkamp, Jannie du Plessis (your national treasure), Francois Steyn, Cilliers,  etc that was proved to be utter falsehoods.   The moment you give nicknames to players - you can be sure that those are based on lies.
At least I criticize players when they are not doing well and give them credit when they do well - irrespective of whether I believe they should actually be in teams or not.  You just manufacture BS and often enough lie outright about what actually happened on the field of play.   When what you said is statistically out- you  do not use stats - if it does tie in - you are the first to use the stats.
So since you cannot be rel ied upon to write anything realistic and you basically cannot assess rugby performances - the best advice I can give you is stop manufacturing falsehoods about players and stop writing KAK on this site.        
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Oct 2014, 11:07
#72
04 Oct 2014, 11:07#72
 The irony.......
BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Oct 2014, 11:32
#73
04 Oct 2014, 11:32#73
 

Jirra, but this looks feckin' close to me .
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Oct 2014, 12:45
#74
04 Oct 2014, 12:45#74
 What is, Blob? The fact that the majority of things that ou Maaikie is accusing Moz of and which is exactly what he, himself, is doing on a regular basis?


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2014, 12:50
#75
04 Oct 2014, 12:50#75
 Ceradunce
Name em examples where I did the same thing.  I normally use proven informatoion when dealing with players performances - so I am looking forward to your examples.  

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Oct 2014, 13:19
#76
04 Oct 2014, 13:19#76
 What? You too? Do you also want me to repeat myself............... again. Only for you to then mutter a few feeble excuses and further lies before sneaking away with your tail between your legs..... again? I have given you loads on examples on more than one occasion.

Just a few, off the top of my head:
  1. Bakkies Botha - games played and not played for Toulon.
  2. Bakkies Botha - discipline/yellow cards at Toulon.
  3. Bakkies Botha being dumped by Toulon.
  4. Your balls-up with the Morne Steyn-PSG issue and your BS'ing  to get yourself out of it with even more lies.
  5. Morne Steyn - Games played/not played for Stade Francais.
  6. The recent Jake White issue.
  7. Morne Steyn game where I posted a video.
  8. Your constant BS about the French rugby situation.
  9. Your confusion about which locks play where/behind which props in the June tests.
  10. Etc, etc, etc, etc.

It would take an entire website on his own to open each and every can of worms again.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Oct 2014, 14:03
#77
04 Oct 2014, 14:03#77
 Cerdunce
I admitted that I did not knowthat Bakkies wasinjured - admitted itin subsequent post.   He did get a yellow card recently.   Balls never said the one about being dumped.
Morne Steyn - I admitted I was wrong Morne Steyn did have been the ebnch player for Stade Francois - you only quoted from game 13 onwards - what happened in gamea 1 to 12.   Conveninetly hid that one.
Jake White - I only wrote what was in the newspapes - nothing more - nothing less.  I tied in the papers reports previously about some players and refers to White's own statement on managing  Steyn by letting him off training on Mondays and Tuesdays as a reason for pissing off theother players - that while Steyn got praised by White publicly while his stats were sh!tpoor.
The rest of your statement is garbage.   Whatever I writ Baout French rugby is what is in the local media, what is in the ESPN stats and what happened in therae games they broadcasted here.   My only interest in Francjh rugby irs the players that Meyer selects fr his sqad,   Most of those should not be anywhere near the Springbok squad.   Matter of fact Morne Steyn, Bakkies Botha and Gurthro Steenkamp are all way past it and  Meyer should only have two or three foreign club players in the squad - namely Habana and Louw.   For the re st they are not worth it - there are better local players.
Why should I beinterested in French club rugby - the have all top French players - for the rest they have the has-been dregs fromthe Southern Hemisphere - so no real reason to worry aboutthatlot.  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
04 Oct 2014, 16:10
#78
04 Oct 2014, 16:10#78
 @Ou Maaikie.

Another lie. You kept on suggesting that Bakkies was "dropped" in favour of Ali Williams. You did not acknowledge that you were lying about that.

The recent yellow card was ages after the one that was in question at the time of the particular posts. The recent one could not have been in question, at the time.

You are once again lying about Morne Steyn as well. FFS, you are even lying when you discuss how you were lying about him in the first place. How low can you go? You never acknowledged that you were wrong and the he was indeed not the "bench player" that you made him out to have been. As for "starting from round 13"..... that was clearly explained on the particular thread but you have either ignored it and/or disappeared off the thread. Just to reiterate..... I did acknowledge that I left out two (only two rounds). MS could not have been involved in the previous rounds due to him being involved in the RC. The two rounds that I left out made no difference to the net result. The both started one of those two games. Fact is that MS were not on the bench more than in the starting XV, like you tried to make us believe. Another massive lie.

Jake White. BS. You did not report what was in the newspapers. They were mostly your own fabrications linking every thing back to Frans Steyn.

The French Rugby situation. I should probably have made that European rugby. You had a whole lot of theories about the Top14 and the log as well as about the Heineken Cup, the politics behind it and the future of it. When your BS statements were exposed, you sneaked away, once again.

I do not know why you would be interested in French rugby gut you were/are always BS'ing about it.

You should start paying more attention to the log in your own eyes.
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